Pyar Deewana Hota Hai. - Page 2

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

I'm really glad I didn't know this movie existed till I read this post just now.

What a load of crap... to cut your tongue off in the name of love!! How did it make sense to you?

Also, when you do something wrong, you first apologize to the person who has been wronged. A third party doesn't decide the consequences for that person unless it's a legal breach and they're in a court of law. Only the person who's been wronged and God (if you believe in one) decide that. That's the whole purpose of coming clean with the other person -- you're finally letting go of trying to manipulate someone with your lies and letting the other person decide what they want after laying all your cards on the table.

The whole point of telling someone the truth is to accept the outcome of losing them, should they decide that they don't want to associate themselves with you anymore. Taking the matter in your own hands and cutting your tongue off in the name of "punishing" yourself reeks of playing God and wanting to balance your karmic scale all in a day. The guy just couldn't let nature run its course, could he?! Firstly, he lies his way into love cuz he had to win her over and then he cuts his tongue off for lying cuz again, he couldn't relinquish control there either.

The problem isn't that he lies in the movie. The problem is that he was a control freak and didn't know how to live organically.

What I meant by "it made sense to me" is that it made sense with Sunder's character on why he would do such a thing.

In the whole film he was feeling guilty for lying to Payal. It was eating him from inside but he was not daring to tell her the truth either because he feared to loose her. Payal was also a girl who hated lies and liars. She couldn't bear betrayal from anyone and she trusted Sunder blindly.

This made it more difficult for him to tell the truth. By the time he realized that he has stretched this lie too far it was too late. More than Payal, slicing off his tongue was a way to redeem himself in his own eyes. There are people like this in real life as well, whose past deeds keep on haunting them, and they don't get peace until they somehow repent.

For Sunder, becoming permanently mute was a way to redeem himself, because according to him he deserved far worse than what Payal would do to him.

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

I agree about the consequences of betrayal but dumping the guy would have been a good enough consequence. He suffered sure but he still got the girl in the end and that's what I meant when I said it was pointless. The makers should have shown that she fell out of love with him due to the betrayal but he punished himself and still had the girl.

If you really think about it, Sundar was a toxic guy till the end. First he propagated a lie and then he self-harmed. How can any woman be okay with being with a man like that who is clearly unstable and unpredictable? Who's to say he won't do something else like that again in the future? On top of that he essentially took away the Payal's agency. It was up to her to decide on forgiveness and his punishment. He took that away from her too which was another very toxic trait. He was in control at all times. Even with his final, drastic step that was supposedly meant to show his remorse, all it did was trapped her further. She would have felt even more compelled to stay with him. Where was her choice?

Actually Sunder never planned to tell Payal the truth. His plan was to get permanently mute and live the rest of his life with Payal with her never finding out that he could ever speak.

Payal found out the truth by chance when she saw him speaking on a show on television. So he actually didn't guilt trip her to stay with him. And Payal was anyway ready to forgive him even after knowing his truth that he could speak (before knowing that he had sliced off his tongue).

I think Sunder didn't want to tell Payal the truth, because whether she had forgiven him or punished him, it would've hurt her alot no matter what. She might have lost her belief in love or stopped trusting people after that. So he decided to suffer alone without making Payal go through any trauma.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

What I meant by "it made sense to me" is that it made sense with Sunder's character on why he would do such a thing.

In the whole film he was feeling guilty for lying to Payal. It was eating him from inside but he was not daring to tell her the truth either because he feared to loose her. Payal was also a girl who hated lies and liars. She couldn't bear betrayal from anyone and she trusted Sunder blindly.

This made it more difficult for him to tell the truth. By the time he realized that he has stretched this lie too far it was too late. More than Payal, slicing off his tongue was a way to redeem himself in his own eyes. There are people like this in real life as well, whose past deeds keep on haunting them, and they don't get peace until they somehow repent.

For Sunder, becoming permanently mute was a way to redeem himself, because according to him he deserved far worse than what Payal would do to him.

Here's the thing. He didn't redeem himself with that self-imposed punishment. If someone can't process feelings of guilt in a healthy manner, they most likely need to see a therapist to unpack their mental baggage.

But since a therapist doesn't exist in bollywood movies, let's just scratch what I said and restart.

Firstly, why did he assume that she would be happier with someone who would go far enough to cut his tongue off to repent instead of a man who tells her the truth and leaves the ball in her court?! Something tells me that his so called "love" wasn't about her at all. From beginning to end, it's about him and his obsession with controlling the outcome.

Secondly, why was he so sure that he deserved to cut his tongue off?! How did he work out that "punishment" for the crime in his head?! And what will he do when he does something worse later on? Take the matter in his own hands and kill himself cuz you know, he feels awful enough to actually deserve it? 😵

World would be a pretty cuckoo place if everyone went around chopping their body parts to balance the T account of their good deeds and bad deeds.

Also, who's to say that his dumbfounding sense of retribution doesn't extend to others around him?! For instance, what's he gonna do when SHE messes up next time? We're all humans and no one's perfect. Is he just gonna let it go even though he beat himself up enough to actually cut his tongue off?! Or is he gonna find a way to "punish" her too, you know, to balance it out?! The dude can't let things be without intervening himself, so it does make me wonder.

In saying that, I get that love can really cloud your judgment and that the lie ate at his soul. But at the end of the day, it was just a harmless lie pretty easy to remedy ... just tell her the truth and pull away, and let her decide the course of action. What's with the theatrics and bodily harm? He was clearly mental and needed help cuz cutting your tongue off is not a product of a sound mind by any means.

With that said, whoever read this whole post, kudos! 😆 I'm done philosophizing so much on this movie ... the director clearly checked his brain at the door before entering the production house. 😆

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Uttam Singh had a cameo

I watched 4 minutes and shut it off 😆

That's good... you clearly saved yourself a massive headache.😆

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

That's good... you clearly saved yourself a massive headache.😆

Yeah I was 14 and I popped this on B4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfj8GngYCug

It was this big monologue actually. An I just couldnt connect

Perhaps it was his winter sweater he was wearing in the sun 😆

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Yeah I was 14 and I popped this on B4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfj8GngYCug

It was this big monologue actually. An I just couldnt connect

Perhaps it was his winter sweater he was wearing in the sun 😆

I must be the only one who didn't know about this movie at all... or maybe I thought it's Hadd Kar Di Aapne, whatever bits showed up in trailers. Ignorance was bliss ....😆

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

I must be the only one who didn't know about this movie at all... or maybe I thought it's Hadd Kar Di Aapne, whatever bits showed up in trailers. Ignorance was bliss ....😆

Hadh Kar Di Aapne had its own uniqueness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuKwkGX8SQ

Hum Tumpe Marte Hain was another good one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0EmIJ78U2c 😆😆

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Hadh Kar Di Aapne had its own uniqueness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuKwkGX8SQ

I was too busy watching SRK movies to keep up with the Govinda ones. There was another movie of him with Karishma with that song Bohat Khoobsurat Ghazal ... he was a psychopath there but I only know cuz others cautioned me to not watch it back then.😆 Govinda was everywhere with Shilpa, Raveena, Urmila, Rani and so many others, I couldn't even tell the movies apart.

Never knew such movie exists, thought TM was talking about the retro song 😆

Thanks for the heads up....never going to watch it if I accidentally come across it in Netflix or some other platform..👍🏼