Unnecessary hatred against Alia and Kjo - Page 18

Originally posted by: 2RsFan

Nowhere have i denied that nepotism exists and starkids are shoved on us but Sushant isnt the only person to be wronged in the industry . Same thing happened with Randeep Hooda in Highway . Actors like Vikrant Massey have to play sidekick to Arjun Kapoor . Sushant's name was at least taken in KWK, these people dont even exist

Again Sushant experienced more success than Randeep Hooda. Nowhere did I say that he was the only one to be wrong. In fact that is why its more important to call out the bully so the cycle can be stopped.

Originally posted by: 2RsFan

KJo, Salman, Aditya Chopra can launch whoever want but they cant force audience to go in theatres. Most of Sushant's movies have been hits which means audience did like him but no one gave him credit , not even us here

Bot true. I saw people praising g him here. I saw people maki g a thread how his performances were ignored here

Before his death.

The thing is media manipulate people and their interests. Otherwise what's the reason to have so many threads about a 2 year child.

Generally people like a movie, praise the actors and move on.. but interest and constant interest is generated by media through interviews, airport looks, gym looks, talk shows etc.. so people get interested. Because they are on your face.

Yes you cant force people to go to cinema. People still go I'd thr product is good. It's just end there. After that it's all up to how to manipulate and promote smaller succeses as big ones and sidelining big successes of others by manipulating sources.

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

I will not buy that the ignorance of the audience is the same as all powerful bully deliberately marketing things for a certain result. Deliberately trying to make the buzz behind someone success die down. Deliberately blocking projects and sabotaging a career. Did anyone here do that? I have been active here since 2014 and I will say it again the hate died down after a while? But I feel once again that you are trying to excuse a bully and comparing him with ignorance. The ignorance on our part was dumb but it shouldn't compare to the blame a bully should receive. I am not saying he killed him. I am saying he sabotaged his career to an extent. For that he should not be excused. You have been trying to do that by dismissing his bullying and mocking of Sushant as stupid immature antics and now trying to shift the blame on to the audience for discussing him enough. Again not many people were informed that Chichore was a bigger hit than Gully Boy until they just checked the facts now.

If kjo snatched away roles from him and maligned him in the press by all means shit on him

If kjo won’t cast him in his movies...his choice or includes him in his rapid fires ...his choice

Someone says they don’t know him or won’t date him- their preference

Difference between preference and opinion vs active sabotage propaganda...the latter I have no Arguments against ...condemn away

I am pissed because I didn’t 1/12th of this concern for him when he asked ppl to go n watch his movies but now, sure let’s absolve ourselves of blame and shit on the movie makers

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Hey, likewise. It's been a while huh! 😔

I am doing alright. Ofc Sushant's loss has shaken many of us, same is the case here! Hope all well on your end too! 😃

Yeah, wasn't coming here for a while but had to now. I don't know for good or for bad but atleast gives a platform to sort the thoughts I guess.

All good here! :)

Originally posted by: Unconventional

That’s bcoz it’s easier to blame others than take responsibility.Anything happens people start pin pointing others.No doubt Kjo n Co.must have been one of the reasons for Sushant’s depression..but why don’t we see ourselves also for a minute.What have we been doing?

Every other day there are so many topics on actors n actresses about how horrible their physical appearance is or how pathetic they are as human beings..n we all participate in it( actually not all but most us).I see so many horrible horrible topics sometimes on stars.But when something serious happens we just drag others n forget what we have been doing the same all this time.

Just saying please please bring that change in urself also rather than just expecting it from others.

Why can't both happen simultaneously?! We can educate ourselves, we can rectify our mistakes, we can also learn to make this space more healthier and less toxic but that doesn't excuse KJo and other BW biggies from their share of responsibilities!

So many times its been already clarified by many how calling KJo or others as murderers isn't the solution to the problem, but them receiving the backlash just may save a life tomorrow. Ofc the focus is calling out the toxic work environment these biggies have created and it doesn't include just 1 person, hence the entire fraternity is getting called out via some of the big names!

Not taking a stand against the obvious bullying and expecting us to share the "same responsibility" as the ones who actually are guilty of running the messed up system isn't the solution either!

Originally posted by: anubolly

This is not fair. You think he was getting movies for his talent level.

That Means you agree arjun , aditya are more talented because they got movies which Sushant was finalized?

You believe all other big movies alia, janvu etc are getting because they r talented ?

How is someone else's opinion unfair? It's just an opinion. Seemed like he fit the types of movies he was doing. A good nice reliable star but not a superstar.

Arjun and Aditya don't deserve to be in any movies because they suck. But unlike the mob that seems to be a rampage right now all over the internet, I think producers can waste their money wherever they want. How are you going to dictate to others how they spend their money?

I haven't seen most of Arjun's movies either. I fell asleep during Malang so I have no major interest in Aditya either.

Nobody denies nepotism. But I just think it's a normal part of life. I just don't watch the films that I'm not interested in. I saw Dhadak because I was interested in Sridevi's daughter but she was horrible in it. So I skipped Ghost Stories. The power is in our hands.

Originally posted by: pathaka

If kjo snatched away roles from him and maligned him in the press by all means shit on him

If kjo won’t cast him in his movies...his choice or includes him in his rapid fires ...his choice

Someone says they don’t know him or won’t date him- their preference

Difference between preference and opinion vs active sabotage propaganda...the latter I have no Arguments against ...condemn away

I am pissed because I didn’t 1/12th of this concern for him when he asked ppl to go n watch his movies but now, sure let’s absolve ourselves of blame and shit on the movie makers

Again people did go watch his movies. If they didn't showcase concern. Once again we weren't aware of what he was being put through. Shekhar Kapoor brought those to light. And I hope you are willing to admit that you are trying to defend the bully here. You honestly think everything that goes on with KWK is preference than Aamir really find Alia the hottest along with Katrina and Deepika. You yourself said he tried to get Deepika praised more due her being their friends find. You don't think it was a part of deliberate marketing strategy to hide theres. You said it yourself he would invite everyone successful who follows his rules. Sushant never questioned or challenged Karan Johar and he was a success movies wise. Than why wasn't he invited? Why did people have to pretend like they didn't know who he was when his films where fairing better than his? I refused to believe it was just people's preference and none of it was deliberate. If people knew he was being sabotaged they would have stood up for him the way they stood up for Kangana. Problem was Sushant was too innocent to speak up.

Look at this woman. Karan got forced to apologize to her due to the people support she got. Because he was wrong plain and simple.

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Originally posted by: pathaka

If kjo snatched away roles from him and maligned him in the press by all means shit on him

If kjo won’t cast him in his movies...his choice or includes him in his rapid fires ...his choice

Someone says they don’t know him or won’t date him- their preference

Difference between preference and opinion vs active sabotage propaganda...the latter I have no Arguments against ...condemn away

I am pissed because I didn’t 1/12th of this concern for him when he asked ppl to go n watch his movies but now, sure let’s absolve ourselves of blame and shit on the movie makers

People are blaming makers because they are aware of the shit they did with him. Making a film work so hard and last minute cancel his project and then posting blinds and ruining his image and signing him for films and cancelling his films mocking him in his shows and hailing alia as next big thing and for that matter any star kid .... As an audience if we can see the torture they put people into why shouldn't we speak about it ?

I feel this entire roar is out of humanity not hypocrisy.

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

Again people did go watch his movies. If they didn't showcase concern. Once again we weren't aware of what he was being put through. Shekhar Kapoor brought those to light. And I hope you are willing to admit that you are trying to defend the bully here. You honestly think everything that goes on with KWK is preference than Aamir really find Alia the hottest along with Katrina and Deepika. You yourself said he tried to get Deepika praised more due her being their friends find. You don't think it was a part of deliberate marketing strategy to hide theres. You said it yourself he would invite everyone successful who follows his rules. Sushant never questioned or challenged Karan Johar and he was a success movies wise. Than why wasn't he invited? Why did people have to pretend like they didn't know who he was when his films where fairing better than his? I refused to believe it was just people's preference and none of it was deliberate. If people knew he was being sabotaged they would have stood up for him the way they stood up for Kangana. Problem was Sushant was too innocent to speak up.

Look at this woman. Karan got forced to apologize to her due to the people support she got. Because he was wrong plain and simple.

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Wish he had spoken.

Once again as someone who was a political science major I am going to make an analogy in this case. Noam Chomsky one of the most well respected intellectual in the world wrote a book called manufacturing consent. It describes how the American media deliberately works with the government to take people's mind off important issues like money influence in politics and corruption to focus on less important things. Most people don't know how much the defense contractors or weapon sellers have bribed politicians to go into war so they can make more money. People don't know how much fossil fuel or oil companies try to bribe politicians not take action on climate change and used the media to misconstrue the truth behind it.

If the rich and powerful and a way of manufacturing consent in America through corruption and bribery. Is it out of the norm of rational thought to think the rich and powerful can do it here? Everyone knows about Karans nepotism because some people have already been brave enough to come forward. But not everyone was that brave unfortunately.