What happened to sweet songs like this ? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Rekha_ji

If you think what I said means it is impossible for someone born in the 50s to enjoy songs form the 90s then you are mistaken.

I am talking about NOSTALGIA. Nostalgia for the era we grew up in will always hold a special place in our hearts and minds. Obviously we are all able to enjoy songs from different eras. I myself play songs from the 50s some days and then I listen to current stuff. I am not arguing against my own choices.

My argument is: people who say "today music is bad, it used to be so good" are mostly blinded by nostalgia.

We seem to forget the truly AWFUL songs in the 90s. The 80s had their fare share of AWFUL songs. The same with every era, there have been poor songs in ever decade. But we don't remember them and only remember the good ones.

Also, songs have been remade throughout history. What used to happen a lot earlier was that songs from other countries were plagiarised, so we didn't have knowledge that the song is a ripoff. But now we do.

Western influence has been there since the 60s. The disco era infiltrated the Hindi film music scene. Post-disco was also huge. Bappi Lahiri was the king of this style.

Now, globally, rap is the leader in Popular Music. We see it's influence in Bollywood songs greatly in the last decade or so. It's nothing new, just the genre has changed. But now when we listen to "I am a disco dancer"" we hear it as a "classic 80s song". But at the time it came out, it was seen as "too western", "losing out heritage".

Today there are magnificent classical style albums like Bajirao Mastani, Padmaavat. In terms of quality and musicality they stand in the same category of Mughal-E-Azam or Pakeezah. But today's music is dismissed as having "no melody".

There is tonnes of awful music out there today, but there is also tonnes of wonderful music being made today. You just need to shift your focus. Disposable "hit songs" have ALWAYS been around.

majority of today songs are vocally mixed with studio effects which doesnt sound pleasing at all ....singers and songs till early 2000 were plan vocals without any software effect to them i can give u sonu nigam example ....listen to sonu old songs and his vocals .....listen to sonu new songs and his vocals with effects

old vocals of sonu nigam from 90's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_5NbpZ9lM

now listen this new sonu song with software effect on vocals which actually take away the orginal singing voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6sIhu2Vj4

... with improved technological studios voices arent recorded as attractive as the simple recording studio used to be earlier ...it was just flow of voice without any effects on vocals...these days effects are being put on every single songs from music director side

Originally posted by: myviewprem

You are right 80s and 90s had some terrible songs and music but that was only 30-40% of music rest 60% was good

But today from 2010 onwards specially only 20% is good rest is very bad lyrics and melody not there only thats what i am saying that todays music i doubt 60 and 80 year olds will ever hear willingly and even the 30 plus i doubt will hum or remember them even the year they release. But before songs many would memorize and remember for years without much effort put into remembering song.

Agree with you. My istri wala or favorite chai ship tends to have some cool 70s 80s songs playing in background and it feels so soothing, even if I am not from that era. There are some songs that sound so good...can't see anyone listening to Himesh Reshammiya songs as nostalgia 😆. Or even those of Mika Singh...sounds so jarring.

I can see Rekhaji's point. I think the older 80s generation was quite privileged, they had legends like Manna Dey, Kishore Kumar, Lata, Asha, Mohd Rafi etc all competing with each other in one lifetime. They used to perform live with orchestra and could not afford to make mistakes in recording. It is fun hearing Amit Kumar and Asha Bhosale interviews, wherein they talk about recording snafus. Till date, you can't pass by one 80s youtube song video, without reading comments, resembling fan wars depending on which singer was their favorite.

Songs from 80s, 90s, even 2000 were so much better. Not sure what happened since 2010, I don't even feel like listening to most of them. Don't know a lot about 50s-60s-70s music though, can someone share some very popular songs from back then?

Originally posted by: roni_berna

Not exactly. There are still so many people who love songs of the 50s 60s era and there are those from 60s era who love songs that released later and even love the songs of today's time. It all depends on their taste and not the era they were born in. I love songs of Beatles too till today and many try to copy them today as well and I love their songs too.

I don't think that is exactly what Rekha ji saying. Maybe I misunderstood. In across all culture and generations there is this tendency to look down upon something in the present and glorify something of the past because of nostalgia. It especially happens with things we grew up with. Are there exceptions? Sure! But they are exceptions, not the rule.

The pattern has always been to glorify things of the past. 20 years down the line they will be doing the same thing with Arijit Singh songs. "What song Channa mereya was and look at this trash now" is probably what I will be saying to my grand kids I am sure about their taste in music 😆

Watching Salman in the OP is like watching a gorilla attempt to dance. 😆

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

Watching Salman in the OP is like watching a gorilla attempt to dance. 😆

That was the choreography 😆

Originally posted by: Rekha_ji

All that happened is you got old. And didn't move with the times.

Ask someone who grew up with Kabhi Kabhi songs what they think of 90s hits: they won't like them.

Same with people who grew up with Mughal-E-Azam - most of them would hate the stuff from 70s and 80s.

For people growing up today, they will adore Tum Hi Ho, Bekhayali, Tum Hi Aana as much as we liked the songs in the era we grew up in.

There has always been wonderful music in every era. The feeling of nostalgia is what defines our own perceptions.

No. By that logic am I growing younger or reincarnated coz I love old songs. It's all about content , there are very few good lyricist currently in Bollywood who can touch the chords or original music directors who create melodies that are soothing to ears and not just tailored for pubs.

https://youtu.be/wIEaW2F7Erk

Originally posted by: Rekha_ji

If you think what I said means it is impossible for someone born in the 50s to enjoy songs form the 90s then you are mistaken.

I am talking about NOSTALGIA. Nostalgia for the era we grew up in will always hold a special place in our hearts and minds. Obviously we are all able to enjoy songs from different eras. I myself play songs from the 50s some days and then I listen to current stuff. I am not arguing against my own choices.

My argument is: people who say "today music is bad, it used to be so good" are mostly blinded by nostalgia.

We seem to forget the truly AWFUL songs in the 90s. The 80s had their fare share of AWFUL songs. The same with every era, there have been poor songs in ever decade. But we don't remember them and only remember the good ones.

Also, songs have been remade throughout history. What used to happen a lot earlier was that songs from other countries were plagiarised, so we didn't have knowledge that the song is a ripoff. But now we do.

Western influence has been there since the 60s. The disco era infiltrated the Hindi film music scene. Post-disco was also huge. Bappi Lahiri was the king of this style.

Now, globally, rap is the leader in Popular Music. We see it's influence in Bollywood songs greatly in the last decade or so. It's nothing new, just the genre has changed. But now when we listen to "I am a disco dancer"" we hear it as a "classic 80s song". But at the time it came out, it was seen as "too western", "losing out heritage".

Today there are magnificent classical style albums like Bajirao Mastani, Padmaavat. In terms of quality and musicality they stand in the same category of Mughal-E-Azam or Pakeezah. But today's music is dismissed as having "no melody".

There is tonnes of awful music out there today, but there is also tonnes of wonderful music being made today. You just need to shift your focus. Disposable "hit songs" have ALWAYS been around.

I am born after 2000s and i like 50s, 60s and 90s songs much more than 2006-7 onwards songs

Majority of 1990s songs i heard years after they released yet i like them very much

I hate majority of todays songs with its horrible rapping eng lyrics in hindi

I cannot memorize or sing them nor can do i like the music except few songs a year

Compared to that when i listen to 90s songs coming on music channels i can remember and sing easily

But that honey singh and badshah and guru randhawwa etc i do not like the lyrics or melody nor i have patience to listen to those and memorize to sing along because i know its not worth

Just because i am born recently does not mean i like my gen songs

I know many like me who are born after 2000s and dislike their gen songs

Padmavaat, ram leela and Bajirao and Ashiqui 2 and Kalank are all exceptions to the loud jarring songs of today. Its hardly 5% of todays music

Like in 1990s 10% music was pretty bad in 2010 onwards hardly 10% is worth listening quality wise i am saying

There was a sweetness to them

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I am born after 2000s and i like 50s, 60s and 90s songs much more than 2006-7 onwards songs

Majority of 1990s songs i heard years after they released yet i like them very much

I hate majority of todays songs with its horrible rapping eng lyrics in hindi

I cannot memorize or sing them nor can do i like the music except few songs a year

Compared to that when i listen to 90s songs coming on music channels i can remember and sing easily

But that honey singh and badshah and guru randhawwa etc i do not like the lyrics or melody nor i have patience to listen to those and memorize to sing along because i know its not worth

Just because i am born recently does not mean i like my gen songs

I know many like me who are born after 2000s and dislike their gen songs

Padmavaat, ram leela and Bajirao and Ashiqui 2 and Kalank are all exceptions to the loud jarring songs of today. Its hardly 5% of todays music

Like in 1990s 10% music was pretty bad in 2010 onwards hardly 10% is worth listening quality wise i am saying

If anyone wants to understand my analogy, and I mean really wants to understand then I think it's important to be open minded enough to think outside their boxes.

When I say "people like the music they grew up with" - it does NOT strictly mean the new releases of the time. When I was a baby in the 90s, those Nadeem-Shravan albums were the rage. I loved them then, I love them now. Especially because the nostalgia factor. BUT also: I used to hear songs from the 60s and 70s being played in the house, and those are part of my nostalgia.

And later in life, when I hear classic tracks from previous eras for the first time, I appreciate the old school vibe. Even that is nostalgic.

One more time for the people at the back: All The Bad Songs From The Past Are Buried Deep. They Do Not Get Played. They Are In The Trash Cans Of Time.

...that's why when we hear "older" songs, it's always the good stuff, the elite music, classics. That's why we have a perception of "old is gold".

But for people who were alive in the 70s, they will be able to recall all the AWFUL tracks that were "hits". In my case, I remember those awful songs like "Jab Tak Hai Samose Mein Aaloo" from Mr & Mrs Khiladi. But nobody will think of those types of songs when we think of the 90s. We will immediately think of "Tujhe Dekha To Ye Jaana Sanam" and "Mujhe Neend Na Aaye".

Similary, in 2020, there are a lot of "flash in the pan" type of disposable songs. That are just there to promote a movie, and nobody cares about them after 6 months. At the same time we have Kalank, Malang, Marjaavaan, Kabir Singh albums which will stand the test of time.

I know a lot of people are irked with the use of "Rap" in Bollywood today. But in each of the past generations, Hindi film music has been inspired by and HEAVILY incorporated EVERY popular genre of music from the West. Be it Disco in the early 80s, Dance/Electro in the late 2000s, or even the 70s cabaret songs. This has happened ever since the golden era of the 50s. The 60s had their Hollywood "showtune" vibes. And today, it's Rap.

Even in those previous eras, critics were VERY unhappy that Indian music was losing it's Indian-ness. Those Usha Uthup post-disco tracks were seen as too western, but today we see them as classics. Asha Bhosle's vocal delivery was unfairly critiqued also as too Western and "raunchy". But today the story is different.

Conclusion: so what I'm saying is, if you say "todays music is so bad" - then your viewpoint is basic af.