Kabir SIngh's success dismantles our false illusions of wokeness - Page 3

True, unfortunately massy films basically reflect the popular psyche. It means what the general guy on the streets resonates with. These people do not separate the actor from his performance.

They like to see Salman Khan bashing up goons even as a 50-year-old and now Kabir Singh bashing up women and people alike; even as a rebel without a cause.

I wanted to hug AllThatCritique's response, not the OP

All these people writing essays using big words probably cannot understand the fact that the majority of aam junta are seeing this as just a movie.

The character is a flawed one and kudos to the director and the actor for bringing to life something that resonated with MAJORITY of the public.

And maybe, just maybe there is a slim chance that these educated and intelligent writers will acknowledge the fact that labeling a whole nation as misogynistic based on one work of fiction is plain stupid!

Originally posted by: SatoshiNakamoto

Ab most Indian men are MCP jerks like Kabir so jerk ke saath jerk jaisa behave karne ka 😆. What I am interested is in knowing if most Indian women are like Preeti.

Many are I believe. They have been conditioned to believe that in order to get love from a dude one must act like Preeti, otherwise no man will love you madly. I am pretty sure many women will also get turned on by Kabir Singh's possesiveness and madness...it's all conditioned response...women have been trained to think that this kind of behavior is hot and signals desire from a man...without ever realizing that none of this signals that the man has your best interest and concern for your needs in mind! It only signals HIS needs. Not YOURS.

No need to look too far. Didn’t Janhvi start crushing on the south actor who played the main lead in Arjun Reddy?

Originally posted by: NightReader

And maybe, just maybe there is a slim chance that these educated and intelligent writers will acknowledge the fact that labeling a whole nation as misogynistic based on one work of fiction is plain stupid!

Is it? I will label the whole world as sexist, homophobic, misogynistic, racist etc etc. It doesn't mean every single person in a place is that way but the general culture? YES! And this applies not just to India but to every country in the world.

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

Burning because of who's success? Shahid's? LMFAO. Gimme a freakin' break. Nobody cares except the new misogynistic dudebros fanbase Shahid will now have.

And Pathak shouldn't be surprised at all. Most Indian men are exactly like this Kabir character. Any woman who has ever attended college in India will know what exactly am talking about. In this 'woke' world all they do is keep it repressed. But they come out in hoardes to watch their deepest ugliest fantasies projected on screen and they support it with gutso. They can't say 'oh I like inflicting pain on women' I like feeling like we're the superior gender and women are my toys to play and beat up' because society has forced them to keep their thoughts locked up but oh boy do they like supporting utter toxic violent misogyny and masculinity in the guise of the internally angsty lover boy.

I wonder if these men who are celebrating this version of 'a man' will like their daughters to ever meet someone like him. But then,perhaps they absolutely will. One more person to beat up their daughters and keep them in check I guess.

This is not fair. Seriously, the character was nothing like that. I don't understand why his actions are taken out of context. It's like people will pounce on a violent and aggressive man and call him misogynist by default. It's like how if there's a female character in a movie that dresses liberally and swears and drinks, some people just by default call her a sl*t or feminazi. I mean come on. What happened to being open-minded and not being prejudiced?

Originally posted by: astha36

This is not fair. Seriously, the character was nothing like that. I don't understand why his actions are taken out of context. It's like people will pounce on a violent and aggressive man and call him misogynist by default. It's like how if there's a female character in a movie that dresses liberally and swears and drinks, some people just by default call her a sl*t or feminazi. I mean come on. What happened to being open-minded and not being prejudiced?

So, Is Kabir Singh a scene-by-scene remake of Arjun Reddy . ?

I haven't seen KS but have watched AR.

Reg. KS, my "issue" isn't with the fact that it has become a big hit or that people have liked it. It is that criticism about the movie has somehow morphed into feminism vs pseudo feminism debate.

Those who are now using criticism against KS to accuse people of being pseudo feminists are doing the same thing that they used to criticise the pseudos of in the first place - Of not being able to separate the people from their opinions, of appropriating labels to people for their opinions , and of counting their version of ground-reality as the only valid one.

I have seen pro-Modi media and pages somehow making the negative reviews into some anti-Right Wing agenda.

I am not saying the reviewers dont let their political leanings affect their opinions (we don't need to look any further than Tashkent Files for proof), but I really don't think that was the case for KS.

A lot of the articles brought up Padmavat and Khilji as an example of the reviewers and critic's hypocrisy, but I don't remember anyone being under any illusion about who or what Khilji was supposed to be. The movie also showed no intent of him being portrayed as "redeemable" or Padmavati reciprocating his "love" . He was a "villain" as per the characterization. Ratan Singh and Padmavati were the good ones .

Sure, the general public drooled over Ranveer and his portrayal of Khilji but I don't remember anyone idolizing Khilji himself.

So what hypocrisy are they talking about?

There is a difference between showing an "as-is" reality of a section of people's lives and glorifying the toxicity of it as something to emulate (or being a "forgivable sin" ) through the film's messaging.

The directors and producers are at a liberty to put out the movie - which they have without any protests or censorship issues. The critics have used their usual yardsticks - of consent, misogyny, glorifying undesirable personality flaws, - to criticise the film.

I wish all the "right wingers" and critics of the "pseudo -ists" , pause a bit instead of "criticizing the critics" just because

Originally posted by: ZackKnightRocks

This is true. If anything, he wasn't exactly misogynistic because a misogynist would never want to be with a woman who has a kid from another guy. A misogynist will talk about how she's no longer 'pure' to him or something like that. He says how the baby is still "her flesh and blood" when he didn't know the kid is his, so he was just an aggressive person but his heart was in the right place. Like when he got angry at an old man who came to him for treatment in a song sequence and then he goes to say sorry to him.

Yeah. I wish the kid really was someone else's cuz I thought it was a bit too contrived that it turned out to be his after all. But maybe they wanted to show how Preeti wasn't a doormat to let herself be forced by someone she didn't love physically or because of societal pressure. Which is also cool.