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Posted: 6 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly

Except for the Hrithik issue aren't all the other allegations based on gossip or even blinds? Kind of hard to call someone a predator based on conjecture no? Not saying she's absolutely innocent but not enough has been said against her to dismiss her and advocate for her imprisonment. Sajid has at least two women coming out on record speaking against him. Not the same thing.

Also there were always rumors of Ajay having an affair with her. So even if rumors of her sending him nudes are true wouldn't the fact that he reciprocated nullify the harassment argument? You can't exacatly argue power and control in this case because she never had any power over Ajay Devgan.


Why 'except for Hrithik'? Why is that not enough?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nova19

If she is telling the truth she could have easily proven it by supplying her phone and laptop and helping the police investigation instead of stonewalling. Unfortunately, because there was technically no crime in Hrithik's detailed and official statement to the police (since a woman can do absolutely positively anything to a man and not be legally charged with sexual harassment) the police had no grounds to compel her to cooperate. A man can be charged with sexual harassment but she has only ever alleged Hrithik is guilty in interviews despite claiming an awful lot like stalking, harassing, hacking her accounts, etc Kangana has never officially lodged a complaint. Kind of interesting...she was so amazingly hurt by him that she can't stop attacking him 4-5 years later, but not so hurt she can't file a police complaint?


Obviously taking a legal recourse is up to the victim. If s/he doesn't come forward, then there's no grounds to investigate.

Sending unsolicited nudes and other objectionable content is harassment, so Hrithik could have complained against her. In such a case, it would have compelled her to co-operate. But he didn't.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Police could have made Kangana turn in her phone or laptop if they had a warrant. They must not have had a case so what could they do?
Most metoo stories are going to go the same way. There can hardly be a lot of proof for this.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ponymo


Obviously taking a legal recourse is up to the victim. If s/he doesn't come forward, then there's no grounds to investigate.

Sending unsolicited nudes and other objectionable content is harassment, so Hrithik could have complained against her. In such a case, it would have compelled her to co-operate. But he didn't.

No this is absolutely untrue. The law specifically specifies a female victim. Hrithik is, to the best of my knowledge, male 😆. If you don't believe me read the IPC.

And as for "taking a legal recourse is up to the victim ", I agree. And if a woman is trying repeatedly to publicly assassinate the character of a man while actively avoiding an investigation he is pushing for because she knows an investigation will clear him and hang her? Taking legal recourse in that case should also be up to the victim (the real victim), shouldnt it?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: whispermist

Police could have made Kangana turn in her phone or laptop if they had a warrant. They must not have had a case so what could they do?

Most metoo stories are going to go the same way. There can hardly be a lot of proof for this.

Again, they couldn't force her to cooperate because the IPC doesn't cover sexual harassment of a man by a woman. I know this is hard to believe but it's true. The IPC also says it's not illegal for a man to rape his wife. And until very recently consensual homosexuality was illegal and adultery (only in the case of a man charging his wife's lover) was illegal - no woman could be charged under that law either. The IPC has all kinds of ridiculous gender specific laws and this is one of them. The police can't randomly force you to turn over your devices if you haven't been charged with a crime, and they couldn't charge her (not because she hadn't done what she'd been acccused of but) BECAUSE it's not illegal for a woman to sexually harass a man in India. So women of India harass away - you are immune.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Roshan's needs to stand up

useless guy
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: cricketfan1



Why 'except for Hrithik'? Why is that not enough?



I used the terminology I did because TM presented Kangana's alleged actions against Ajay and Ranbir as evidence of her predatory nature even though those are based on rumors only. I stopped paying attention to her drama with Hrithik a long time ago. If everything Hrithik later claimed is true then yes that is stalking and harassment. Based on what I did know early on Hrithik seemed to be fighting for his ego more than facts because it was all started with the silly ex comment.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sandiab

Roshan's needs to stand up
useless guy

Pray tell, how do you propose he do that? Cooperate with the police (again)? Hire (another) independent forensic computer expert? Release (more) emails and selfies to prove she stalked him? Use his PR and fan clubs to point out (more) clear untruths in her (ever increasing) stories. Go on national television (again) to tell his story ( his story - unlike hers - won't have changed so it won't be any more exciting this time)? Try to take the high road and ignore her BS (longer)?

I suppose you want him to make her the focus of his thoughts and time (she does too), spend years of his life and crores of his money on lawyers and court dates and fees to sue her for defamation which is (legally speaking) an incredibly difficult case to win for a public person. And at the end of the case after all the time, money, worry, and negative publicity, if he wins, people that will never believe him anyway will say, of course he won, his father has all the money in the world. And if he loses because defamation is very hard for celebrities to prove, those same people will say, see we were right to not believe him.

I'm curious, do you hold all victims to such standards, or just Hrithik?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nova19


No this is absolutely untrue. The law specifically specifies a female victim. Hrithik is, to the best of my knowledge, male 😆. If you don't believe me read the IPC.

And as for "taking a legal recourse is up to the victim ", I agree. And if a woman is trying repeatedly to publicly assassinate the character of a man while actively avoiding an investigation he is pushing for because she knows an investigation will clear him and hang her? Taking legal recourse in that case should also be up to the victim (the real victim), shouldnt it?


@Bold: If that's the case then it's definitely messed up, and the law needs to be amended to include men too. There shouldn't gender bias because both genders can be victims.

But I still have to hear Kangana's version about not giving mobile/laptop. If she didn't co-operate because she would get 'caught', then she is in the wrong. But again, that will only be another speculation at this point. So I'll wait until I hear both sides of the story.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ponymo


@Bold: If that's the case then it's definitely messed up, and the law needs to be amended to include men too. There shouldn't gender bias because both genders can be victims.

But I still have to hear Kangana's version about not giving mobile/laptop. If she didn't co-operate because she would get 'caught', then she is in the wrong. But again, that will only be another speculation at this point. So I'll wait until I hear both sides of the story.

She has admitted she didn't give up her devices (after earlier insisting she did) in a Rajeev Masand interview. We have heard both sides. If you truly cannot see how many times her story changed to explain away her lies as they were revealed, I just can't even - I don't know, do you want to review? I'm not sure what you're expecting, a confession? I don't remember you being so slow to judge Hrithik when she started making her allegations against him, can you honestly claim you have given each the same benefit of the doubt?
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