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Posted: 6 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: gilmores

Only because Aishwarya was a Bachchan Bahu pregnant with a Bachchan baby, she survived the unprofessional mess she created during Heroine when she intended to shoot the entire film keeping the makes and crew in the dark about her pregnancy. Any other person would probably have been sued, not to mention probably set working women in BW back a few years.




Oh no no no. If anyone was unprofessional here it was the makers of Heroine specially Madhur Bhandarkar. Ash was fired from that movie for being pregnant. Anywhere else the makers would have been sued out of every penny for blatant discrimination. And their excuse was what if she had gotten hurt? Your set should be safe for all living beings regardless of whether they are pregnant or not. Ash had shot for a good portion of that movie and would have been able to shoot the rest while pregnant. Ash returned her fee after being fired. The makers continued to use that one image of her from the movie everytime they released an article about how justified they were until Ash's lawyer contacted them and told them it was a breach of contract for them to do that.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly




Oh no no no. If anyone was unprofessional here it was the makers of Heroine specially Madhur Bhandarkar. Ash was fired from that movie for being pregnant. Anywhere else the makers would have been sued out of every penny for blatant discrimination. And their excuse was what if she had gotten hurt? Your set should be safe for all living beings regardless of whether they are pregnant or not. Ash had shot for a good portion of that movie and would have been able to shoot the rest while pregnant. Ash returned her fee after being fired. The makers continued to use that one image of her from the movie everytime they released an article about how justified they were until Ash's lawyer contacted them and told them it was a breach of contract for them to do that.


@Bold: No..there are some things which can hurt only pregnant women- things like smoking etc which were an integral part of the story...Aishwarya signed the project knowing everything! She thought if she somehow managed to shoot for a major part of the movie, she can somehow wring the producer/director's arm and make him wait until she will be available for the shoot again(after the delivery etc)
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Bold: No..there are some things which can hurt only pregnant women- things like smoking etc which were an integral part of the story...Aishwarya signed the project knowing everything! She thought if she somehow managed to shoot for a major part of the movie, she can somehow wring the producer/director's arm and make him wait until she will be available for the shoot again(after the delivery etc)




OK that's a fair point about smoking, except I remember reading Madhur saying something like what if she had fallen down. That's a pathetic excuse. So then the question is was it in her contract to not get pregnant? I can't imagine someone like Aishwarya blatantly violating her contract like that. From everything that I remember about it it sounded like a blatant case of discrimination against a pregnant woman. I also remember several actresses who were moms came to her defense on television including Sharmila Tagore and Raveena Tandon. I also don't think today in 2018, almost 2019, any filmmaker would be able to get away with it.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Bold: No..there are some things which can hurt only pregnant women- things like smoking etc which were an integral part of the story...Aishwarya signed the project knowing everything! She thought if she somehow managed to shoot for a major part of the movie, she can somehow wring the producer/director's arm and make him wait until she will be available for the shoot again(after the delivery etc)



There are ways to fake shoot smoking. I'm pretty sure if they were clever enough they could have completed the movie. Reese Witherspoone shot Vanity Fair very pregnant. They worked out plenty of creative methods to finish the shooting. I didn't know it was mandatory to tell people at work your pregnant. Most people only reveal the news after 4 months once they hit a safety stage. I knew plenty of woman at work who revealed to me they were pregnant (because I love babies) and other then that were keeping it under wraps because they don't like attention. In fact woman getting fired or not hired in the work force due to pregnancy issues is considered major discrimination. Didn't know it was different for movies. Plenty of Hollywood actresses have shot movies pregnant. Most due reveal it after 4 months.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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in new zealand the prime minister was pregnant and did her job while pregnant until she went into labour and then went back to work 6 weeks later..

she didn't announce it the day her period was missed...

also didn't Gal gadot shoot action scenes when she was heavily pregnant.. in Hollywood firing a woman for getting pregnant would be discrimination and it would have been huge news..and unlike Aishwarya's case majority would be supporting her and not blaming her for wanting her basic rights
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Whatever Aishwarya and Shweta have achieved or not achieved in their lives, in the end they are 2 women, one born into the family and one married into that family. There will always be competition, insecurity and even unintentionally the inlaws will pit them against each other and smallest of issue can drive a wedge between them. Its all too common and celebs aren't immune to it but atleast don't show it to the outside world but these two aren't even able to act cordial in front of cameras.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly




Oh no no no. If anyone was unprofessional here it was the makers of Heroine specially Madhur Bhandarkar. Ash was fired from that movie for being pregnant. Anywhere else the makers would have been sued out of every penny for blatant discrimination. And their excuse was what if she had gotten hurt? Your set should be safe for all living beings regardless of whether they are pregnant or not. Ash had shot for a good portion of that movie and would have been able to shoot the rest while pregnant. Ash returned her fee after being fired. The makers continued to use that one image of her from the movie everytime they released an article about how justified they were until Ash's lawyer contacted them and told them it was a breach of contract for them to do that.


She didn't tell them she was pregnant. They found out from the news like the rest of the world. If it could be revealed to the whole world, then she could have talked to her producers and taken them into confidence. She didn't have to do it the day she conceived but after 3 months is considered safe in most places. If I remember correctly, they started shooting the film after her 3rd month anyways, she could have told them before they started shooting. Many actors shoot while pregnant -- proper safety precautions are taken, scripts modified if they need to be, and other changes as needed are put in place. It's definitely not difficult, BUT to do these, people have to well aware in advance so they can plan accordingly, as there are certain things that put pregnant women at greater risk -- smoking, drinking, etc. The film was full of item songs that would have required Aish to dance. A female actor playing a female actress would also be required to look a certain way. Now they can easily have had post production work take care of things as well. But makers would need to be AWARE. Postponements are pretty expensive.

If you plan a month long vacation, but tell your boss the day before you leave that you're leaving for vacation, is that professional? Would your boss not be pissed off? It's basic professional ethics to inform your employer of your condition especially if your job is centered around your physical appearance.

Plenty of actresses have informed their directors and producers in advance. When SRK was struggling with Chalte Chalte, Kajol came to him and told him she wants to do the film but she has to confirm some things before saying yes for sure as she didn't want to lead him on. He found out later she was pregnant so she didn't do it. Kareena told Rhea about her pregnancy for VDW. She changed the script to incorporate it. Rhea couldn't get proper insurance in place so they had to push it until after Kareena gave birth since she couldn't guarantee her safety. Things can be done,
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Posted: 6 years ago
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There is something called Bonafide Occupational qualification...which means that sometimes the employers can discriminate based on the genuine requirement of a project...for example...a producer is making a movie where the female lead is a Caucasian...now if he rejects females of other races it wouldn't count as discrimination...in a case of a regular office job it would be discrimination...
like wise if a producer invests his money in a project which is supposed to be finished in 8 months...needs a beautiful and fit female lead for the project...hires one ,signs a contract with her...and the lead get pregnant...that would make the contract void ...its up to the producer to decide if he can make changes which will not cost him an unreasonably large amount of money...if it does he can replace the lead with someone else...In a regular office setting...getting pregnant would have not interfered with the job...if it did the employee can go on a leave, the employer can hire a temp to replace her until she is ready to come back...but what is the producer of a movie supposed to do?? Shoot part of the movie with one lead and then replace that lead with another lead? What will happen to the movie then, what will happen to the producer's money?

The court do not blindly pass judgement...they have to see if what the employer did was reasonable or not...not everything is back and white.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: nigahen



This topic isnt about Ash vs Jaya's acting abilities. They're from like different eras. But if you must know, yes Jaya may be a better actress than Ash but she was also a better actress than Alia, kat, Deepika today.
I dont know what difference any of that makes.


well TM is saying Jaya is jealous of Aish because she is successful on her own.
Hence told her Jaya also made it big on her own talent, which was much much superior compared to Aish.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice.

There is something called Bonafide Occupational qualification...which means that sometimes the employers can discriminate based on the genuine requirement of a project...for example...a producer is making a movie where the female lead is a Caucasian...now if he rejects females of other races it wouldn't count as discrimination...in a case of a regular office job it would be discrimination...

like wise if a producer invests his money in a project which is supposed to be finished in 8 months...needs a beautiful and fit female lead for the project...hires one ,signs a contract with her...and the lead get pregnant...that would make the contract void ...its up to the producer to decide if he can make changes which will not cost him an unreasonably large amount of money...if it does he can replace the lead with someone else...In a regular office setting...getting pregnant would have not interfered with the job...if it did the employee can go on a leave, the employer can hire a temp to replace her until she is ready to come back...but what is the producer of a movie supposed to do?? Shoot part of the movie with one lead and then replace that lead with another lead? What will happen to the movie then, what will happen to the producer's money?

The court do not blindly pass judgement...they have to see if what the employer did was reasonable or not...not everything is back and white.


@Bold: Except here the film was supposed to be shot in 45 days, in a single schedule, and that's what Ash had agreed to. And she had already shot for 10 days. Just another month's shooting was left. From whatever I remember the film had no scenes that would have endangered her safety.

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