CONTENT using 'Masturbation' in place of Item Songs?

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There were Critically acclaimed 3 CONTENT(projected as well as accepted) Films/Web Series in recent time, all have 1 thing in common "MASTURBATION" Scenes. There was no out rage from anyone, no feminist protest, no complains, while Masala films "Item Songs" are ripped apart for objectifying Women, but no problem with these 3 scenes?

2 Films & 1 Web Series:

1. Blackmail - I would like to give Salman fans example, they are humiliated like anything that whatever Salman does they like it, now a whole bunch of fans in same criteria has been evolved for IRRFAN, but in less number, limited ones who can praise / accept whatever he does on screen. His last film "Blackmail", in which he played a Middle class Working guy who has this 1 particular habit of Masturbating in office toilet by picking up photos of Wives/GF of his male coleauges, even in 1 case, he is angry with his boss & took his wife's pic to do the kaand with song "Tu Maza karle".

2. Veere Di Wedding - Applauded & welcome change for females to have a language of their choice which we boys use, speaking very usual females which we see nowadays. Now this film was in constant comparison with PKP series & SKTKS that look it wasn't mean for Males. Now this film has Swara's masturbating scene, a step further even ahead of Grand Masti series which even couldn't get this kind of bold exposure.

3. Lust STories - A Bold Web Series, with Kiara's masturbating scene, not that she does, but she is having vibrator & when this incident happens, a song is played "Kabhi Khushi Kabhi gham", a good lengthy scene.

In all these Scenes, are we raising the Standards of Women, it isn't in any way Lusting on females as Irrfan does, what both female stars did was it so necessary to add that in a CONTENT with SCRIPT u can't show anything else? This isn't OBJECTIFYING Women like ITEM Songs?

Also, VDW & LS Scenes were not even shown properly, if u r coming to this line that u can show this act, why wasn't it shown properly, inside sheet or inside sari, just expressions/voices se hi message dilaana tha?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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now pseudo females aayengi band bajane 😆
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I haven't watched VDW and LS...but first of all the character of Irfan was a complete douchebag for using the pics of the wives of his co-workers...which is low and nothing to laugh about...but u have to remember that he was a douche in that movie...he was blackmailing people...so nothing morally correct thing was expected of him...plus I liked how they didn't show the act and it was symbolic..
personally for me I hate these kinds of scenes...its yucky...something personal should be personal only and not be shown on screen...but as long as these movies are rated properly ...I don't care because there is an audience for these kinds of scenes...just don't mess with the ratings...so that unsuspecting people are duped into watching it.
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Originally posted by: blue-ice.

I haven't watched VDW and LS...but first of all the character of Irfan was a complete douchebag for using the pics of the wives of his co-workers...which is low and nothing to laugh about...but u have to remember that he was a douche in that movie...he was blackmailing people...so nothing morally correct thing was expected of him...plus I liked how they didn't show the act and it was symbolic..

personally for me I hate these kinds of scenes...its yucky...something personal should be personal only and not be shown on screen...but as long as these movies are rated properly ...I don't care because there is an audience for these kinds of scenes...just don't mess with the ratings...so that unsuspecting people are duped into watching it.


Irrfan's act wasn't linked with Blackmailing, he wasn't satisfied with his wife so did that in office to satisfy himself, this wasn't shown in Trailers / promos, audience got to see in cinema hall only.

FIlm was U/A Certified, which usually all Masala films are, at least they don't hide ITEM SONG to embarrass families watching films, they came way before release so that audience can know if they have to go to this film or not.

Also, point was, wasn't this disgusting act(which is 100% right if person does in private) to show on screen isn't Harsh & mean to females, especially when those females weren't even exposing in those pics, fully clothed & in some only close ups... how is CONTENT Cinema spared & Masala genre targeted for this?
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In 2018 , we still have problem of showing Masturbation .. like seriously
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Originally posted by: DevilsKick


Irrfan's act wasn't linked with Blackmailing, he wasn't satisfied with his wife so did that in office to satisfy himself, this wasn't shown in Trailers / promos, audience got to see in cinema hall only.

FIlm was U/A Certified, which usually all Masala films are, at least they don't hide ITEM SONG to embarrass families watching films, they came way before release so that audience can know if they have to go to this film or not.

Also, point was, wasn't this disgusting act(which is 100% right if person does in private) to show on screen isn't Harsh & mean to females, especially when those females weren't even exposing in those pics, fully clothed & in some only close ups... how is CONTENT Cinema spared & Masala genre targeted for this?


U r not getting my point Radhe ji...Irfan's character was a douche in the movie...that is how they build it up...he was an immoral person...if he was a morally correct person he would have gone and confronted his wife instead of using her and her lover to blackmail them and pay his bills...he was not shown as a good guy to begin with...if a bad guy is shown doing bad things then why should there be an uproar about it...aur jahan tak masturbation wale scenes ki baat hai...i personally hate them...but like I said if there is an audience for such scenes and the proper rating is there why should I object...I won't go and watch it...its that simple.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I don't know what to say

The people I watch films with won't mind songs with whatever kind of vulgar dancing or vulgar Lyrics . But actual love making scenes and that stuff my put them off. I wouldn't even try any masturbation scene

But I heard VDW did get some type of adult rating so it's not like it went unnoticed
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Male or female - masturbation scenes I cannot enjoy properly except for Lust Stories one which was hilariously funny 🤣

Item songs or body show - I enjoy for both, be it sexy body of HR or John or Salman in any movies, or Malaika, Isha Kopikar, Bipasha in any movie.


Sometimes I have problem with the lyrics though, like 'gatkaale saiyaan alcohol se' etc, but that's nothing to do with item number per se. I dont like those 'Jab Tak Rahega Samose mein aloo' type things too. 😆
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/13-condom-myths-you-need-to-stop-believing/-Myth-2-No-condom-is-needed-if-youre-having-oral-or-anal-sex/photostory/54695226.cms

https://photogallery.indiatimes.com/celebs/celeb-themes/celebs-oops-moment/articleshow/31893064.cms

These are the "news" on a national newspaper read by little kids everyday.

In India the laws are now heavily tilted in the girls' favour. Woman's word is more equal than a man. NCW in India exists to promote sexual promiscuity and adultery in the name of free sexual expression. Where the is the space for human values like trust, faith or honesty? It's all a "me,me me.." culture. Where "My choice" rules and anyone else's feelings are run over roughshod.
I've worked with a lot of French people and if there's one things Frenchies love discussing that's sex. So without ever having experienced anything (pssst..without ever having seen po*n) I know a lot about people's preferences. I've had gay acquaintances and even went to a gay club at Leicester square with them just to see what it was all about. They told me their stories. And every single one of them had been abused as a child by a same sex person. Make of that what you will about their preferences. I went to a music festival where a man was on stage naked with a huge thing hanging plus boobs. I was so petrified and didn't know at the time whether he was man or woman nor did I ask. Later came to the conclusion that a thing can't just be transplanted like that.
People I talked to no woman ever liked anal sex, that's demeaning and disgusting. And men too. They tried it because they were told that it was an in thing but the straight ones were horrified by the bloody results and the afterstate of the women. The gay ones didn't really share their bedroom habits. Same with oral too. There people are a lot more open so they don't feel the need to hide these things and have had a lot of experience.
But here on this forum there are some ultra "progressives" (sic) behenjis tunred modern who write odes on the pleasures of these deviant practices.
See, sex and finding ever new holes to do it in is all there is to progression.
These people who claim to be feminists also support pedophiles' right over children. This is the level of moral degradation.
I support abortion when there's a medical emergency or rape and things. But abortion just to have open sex and then also claim moral superiority after murdering babies...

One agent Yuri Bezmenov had talked about this-how nations are destroyed by moral corruption and feminism. Among the earliest feminists Gloria Steinem was a CIA agent. You can look that up. It was never about women empowerment. It was always about wanton sex and promiscuity, destruction of values and the family as a unit.

Of course now the said feminists will scoff at me as a rightwinger and misogynist plus closet homophobe. But there it is. I abhor this govt that allows this kind of smut in a national newspaper and I abhor the platform given to these deviant individuals by this same party when it first came to power and the celebrated orator who spoke two lines in half an hour allowed a gay magazine editor to publicize that the bachelor PM slept with the gay magazine under his pillow.
In Britain, I see 12 yr old girls carrying their babies to school and 30 yr old men and women becoming grandparents. I'm a prude but so be it.




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In the Name of Feminism, 17 Movies and TV Shows That Feature Female Masturbation

Breaking taboos one vibrator at a time.

Jan 2, 2018
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This just in: women masturbate! It's totally normal and healthy! Everyone does it! Yay! So, now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's talk about on-screen female masturbation sceneswhich are pretty few and far between compared to their male equivalents because for some reason people get super uncomfortable with the idea that women like sex. And more specifically, like touching themselves.

Even now, this is considered pretty scandalousso cheers to films and TV shows like Fleabag, Girls, The Deuce, and Reign for breaking taboos.

1 Phoebe Waller-Bridge, 'Fleabag'

The scene: Titular character Fleabag is minding her own business masturbating in bed (as ya do)the catch is her boyfriend's asleep next to her and she's masturbating to Obama videos.

Her comments on the scene: "Ah yes, the masturbating-to-Obama bit! That was in the play. Originally, she was looking for something to distract herself from having a bad wank so she turns on the news and, well...I mean, it's Obama, can you blame her?"

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2 Sharon Rooney, 'My Mad Fat Diary'
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The scene: Rooney's character gives herself her first ever orgasm thanks to masturbation. Because you really don't need another person to enjoy yourself, mmmkay?

Her comments on the scene: "When they said we'd be doing that scene, I thought 'Yeah I'll do that. Why not?' How many times have you seen a boy having a wank? All the time! It's all they talk about! I thought: 'Let's do it for the girls.'"

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3 Allison Williams, 'Girls'

The scene: Marnie masturbates in a public bathroom while leaning against the door.

Her comments on it: "A scene like [that] just gets added to the pile and gets smushed in. It's been really interesting being interviewed and being asked about it so much, because I'm like, 'Oh, yeah, well there have been seven episodes since that scene.' I also feel like we are showing these very intimate, private and specific moments in our characters' lives and it just sort of is a part of Marnie's puzzle."

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4 Caitlin Stasey, 'Reign'

The scene: Lest you forget, Reign is a CW show. And CW shows don't typically show sex, let alone masturbation. But this scene features a royal bedding ceremony with witnessesone of whom is so turned on that she runs away to masturbate.

Her comments on it: "This is the thing: I don't care about being naked on screen. I don't care about masturbating on screen; I don't care about sex scenes on screen. The aftermath is fine; I don't care who sees it. It's the actual process of filming it that sucks. It's unsexy, it's incredibly technical, it's incredibly boring and also incredibly embarrassing. You're just like writhing around in front of a group of maybe 30 dudes because the set is primarily men... But the act of a woman actually taking care of herself in that way is incredibly powerful."

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5 Maggie Gyllenhaal, 'The Deuce'
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The scene: Gyllenhaal's character masturbates after sex thanks to not orgasming during the deed itself. Relatable!

Her comments on the scene, and why she *asked* for it to be included: "I thought here's all this performative sex, all this transactional sex. I wanted to know what her desire looks like. And after we filmed it, he was like, 'Okay. Okay. We're okay. We have made something feminist. We have.'"

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6 Beth Behrs, 'Two Broke Girls'

The scene: Beth's roommate finds her masturbating in the bathtub with a shower head. Everything happens off screen, but the hijinks!

Her comments on it: None, because BFD.

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7 Lea DeLaria, 'Orange Is the New Black'
The scene: Boo is seen getting off with the end of a screwdriver, because when in jail, you gotta make due. 

Her comments on it: "I jumped up and down like a little girl. I was that excited. Because I knew it was going to be something that people will remember. And indeed, it is. The first take, I started laughing because I made the mistake of thinking about what I was doing. That's a huge mistake when actingyou shouldn't think about it. So, the first take was one of the first shots on our gag reel. It was me, starting to masturbate, and howling with laughter. It's just like, 'What am I doing? I'm getting paid to do this.' I can't tell you how many people have asked me to autograph their screwdrivers."

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The scene: Boo is seen getting off with the end of a screwdriver, because when in jail, you gotta make due.

Her comments on it: "I jumped up and down like a little girl. I was that excited. Because I knew it was going to be something that people will remember. And indeed, it is. The first take, I started laughing because I made the mistake of thinking about what I was doing. That's a huge mistake when actingyou shouldn't think about it. So, the first take was one of the first shots on our gag reel. It was me, starting to masturbate, and howling with laughter. It's just like, 'What am I doing? I'm getting paid to do this.' I can't tell you how many people have asked me to autograph their screwdrivers."

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8 Ilana Glazer, 'Broad City'

The scene: Glazer performs her "pre-masturbation ritual," which involves a mirror, candles, and a giant vibrator. Treat yourself.

Her comments on female sexuality on the show in general: "It's like these girls are horny but not under the male gaze. They're horny, period. Just starting from the vagina, not starting from some man looking at them."

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9 Amy Adams, 'Junebug'

The scene: Adams' very pregnant character masturbates in bed while looking at a photo of her husband.

Her comments on it: While talking about the most difficult scene to film in the movie, Adams said "It's a toss up between the masturbation and the hospital...it was such an intimate and vulnerable moment."

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10 Joan Allen, 'Pleasantville'

The scene: Allen is seen masturbating in the bathtub as the screen changes from black to color.

Her comments on it: None, because BFD.

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11 Kate Walsh, 'Just Before I Go'

The scene: Kate Walsh's character masturbates while sleep walking.

Her comments on it: "We actually shot all of those on the second day of shooting. [Director Courteney Cox] was great; she made me feel super safe."

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12 Maggie Gyllenhaal, 'Secretary'

The scene: Gyllenhaal's character fantasizes about her boss while masturbating.

Her comments on sex in the film: "I love the fact that people wanna talk about sex. I mean, I wanna talk about sex, too."

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13 Shiri Appleby, 'Unreal'
The scene: Rachel is masturbating to po*n with a vibrator in the back of a van.

Her comments on it: "The opening and closing scenes of episode 105 of UnREAL really sparked a conversation. Who knew a women pleasuring herself would be so newsworthy."

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The scene: Rachel is masturbating to po*n with a vibrator in the back of a van.

Her comments on it: "The opening and closing scenes of episode 105 of UnREAL really sparked a conversation. Who knew a women pleasuring herself would be so newsworthy."

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14 Naomi Watts, 'Mullholland Drive'
The scene: Watts' character masturbates on a bed, a moment that was so uncomfortable for the actress that director David Lynch had a tent made around her so she could be completely separated from the crew. 

Her comments on it: "I was mad at him for making me do this! I remember saying, 'David, I can't do this!, I can't do this! and being mad at him...I did anger, I did crying, it was just wildly uncomfortable. The thing with David is he just keeps you going, you want to please him because he's after something really true and you don't want to give up."

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The scene: Watts' character masturbates on a bed, a moment that was so uncomfortable for the actress that director David Lynch had a tent made around her so she could be completely separated from the crew.

Her comments on it: "I was mad at him for making me do this! I remember saying, 'David, I can't do this!, I can't do this! and being mad at him...I did anger, I did crying, it was just wildly uncomfortable. The thing with David is he just keeps you going, you want to please him because he's after something really true and you don't want to give up."

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15 Natalie Portman, 'Black Swan'
The scene: Okay, so Portman's masturbation scene was kind of unrealistic (for most women, masturbating isn't a male's fantasy come to life, like it was depicted in this film)but it basically consists of her writhing around on her bed.

Her comments on it: "So disgusting. It was akin to the experience of watching the movie with my parents sitting next to me, let me tell you."

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The scene: Okay, so Portman's masturbation scene was kind of unrealistic (for most women, masturbating isn't a male's fantasy come to life, like it was depicted in this film)but it basically consists of her writhing around on her bed.

Her comments on it: "So disgusting. It was akin to the experience of watching the movie with my parents sitting next to me, let me tell you."

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16 Riley Keough, 'The Girlfriend Experience'
The scene: Keough's character, an escort, enjoys watching herself masturbate. 

Her comments on it: "We wanted to show things that you don't really see, like the girl getting her period or the girl masturbating... You really feel like you're creeping in on this girl, so it's a bit uncomfortable. It's not like we're showing her masturbate just to have a masturbation scene. It's showing every part of this person and her private moments."

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The scene: Keough's character, an escort, enjoys watching herself masturbate.

Her comments on it: "We wanted to show things that you don't really see, like the girl getting her period or the girl masturbating... You really feel like you're creeping in on this girl, so it's a bit uncomfortable. It's not like we're showing her masturbate just to have a masturbation scene. It's showing every part of this person and her private moments."

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17 Lizzy Caplan, 'Masters of Sex'
The scene: Her character stands completely naked and masturbates as Michael Sheen's character watches.

Her comments on it: "That was shitty. I could not have been more well protected...crew was as paired down as possible, these are my friends now. I just remember sitting in my trailer feeling for the first time since being on the show that I don't know if I can walk out there. What is it going to take to be able to walk out there and do this." 

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The scene: Her character stands completely naked and masturbates as Michael Sheen's character watches.

Her comments on it: "That was shitty. I could not have been more well protected...crew was as paired down as possible, these are my friends now. I just remember sitting in my trailer feeling for the first time since being on the show that I don't know if I can walk out there. What is it going to take to be able to walk out there and do this."

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