CONTENT using 'Masturbation' in place of Item Songs? - Page 3

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Thug-Leader



This reminds me of Celine's words in Before Sunrise

" You know, I have this awful paranoid thought that feminism was mostly invented by men so that they could like, fool around a little more. You know, women, free your minds, free your bodies, sleep with me. We're all happy and free as long as I can f**k as much as I want."


It is true. It helps getting easy sex. There are another kind of men who try to be oversmart. They will try to show off how much they hate their own gender, put down their own parents just to please feminazis, applaud stupid arguments by Feminazis etc while reality is 95% of them are losers who are only looking for female attention. They think such tactics will help them get into good books of these Feminazis and they can easily get wat they want from these "frustrated liberated" women.
Edited by BlackPanther7 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#22
It's all about how you look at it.

Personally, I don't get how either is objectifying. Unless the actress or woman or man in question was asked to perform at gun-point, or under some blackmail that they couldn't walk out of, or was shot(camera) unbeknownst to her/him or is a minor girl/guy, I think it's fine.

Secondly, objectifying, I daresay is one of the words that is thrown around a lot.

Objectifying TBH, is inevitable for most humans, we objectify others, most of us have a sensualist within, atleast on a mental plane, okay, I get there are some who don't, don't mean to generalize here, don't mean to include all you pure souls. But I think it is natural to view someone purely from physical POV and titillate.. it is innate part of most humans, no?

Each of them have different thresholds. What looks like art, might look like trash to some others. If there's someone who sees beauty in something romantic or indirect, some see beauty in something in-your-face like a raunchy item song or lyrics. After all, how does one define beauty or art? So, it is all subjective, for the one making the art, and for one who has the choice of buying the art.

Some people think showing scenes of self-pleasure is normalizing it, some others think it is also a gimmick with the ultimate objective of objectifying the actor.

It all depends on mind/mood... you can see whatever you want to see in any thing, in any set of words, anything - it can be totally removed from the context, but if you have it in mind - who can stop... is there something wrong with it? No. It's human nature. Likewise, if something looks distasteful to you, that doesn't make it a universal fact.

Whenever older actresses talk about objectification, it takes me by surprise. Because objectification isn't universal, it is something that is highly subjective.. so subjective that it varies not just from person to person but varies by mood for a same person. No one can decide the aesthetics of sensuality/sexuality, it varies from person to person. Like it, enjoy. Don't like it, you're not forced to watch it.

What is wrong is when the objectifying is done in the conditions mentioned in sentence 3 of this post, and when it crosses a limit - when your thoughts become words/actions intended to harm a person's dignity. We can maintain civility despite the whatever runs through our minds can't we?

I think all this is bakwaas anyway, I'll end my post and run away before someone tears this post apart.. bye.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#23
And half the comments in here is why the world is such a backward place for women. 😵
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well from what you have written, it seems you have misplaced anger issues. More than being upset about the content in movies you are actually furious about some people's anger towards Salman!!

Hope you will understand that the actions of Salman like shooting a revered and endangered species (black buck), reckless driving and killing men sleeping are criminal offences listed in IPC. It would be criminal for anyone who did these actions, so Salman cannot be different even if he has given blockbusters. IPC does not forgive those are popular or give hit movies even if they are over a period of time. A crime is a crime irrespective of BO status.

In the movies you mentioned, since I have not seen them, so take your word on it that they depicted masturbation. Hope you are clear that masturbation is not a criminal offence in any part of the world. As you stated that the character Irfan played is masturbating while fantasizing about other man's wife, well how do you stop a man from fantasizing? Isn't it natural for men to fantasize on actresses, other women? Don't all men fantasize? Are the vulgar abuses rendered not similar?

In case you consider masturbation to be criminal then you may please read about it or consult on the same.

Item songs are traditionally suggestive in nature and should stay that way but the ones which are bordering on vulgarity and female body parts are condemnable, and those which are provocative and violent should be removed.


So comparing the two is irrational.

Coming to the point of showing to the extent, well NO one wants to make it po*n or gross. There will be limitations to everything and also what about the choice of the film maker!!

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Posted: 7 years ago
#25
You forgot the masturbation scene in RWers ke spokesperson Vivek Agnihotri's epic Buddha in a Traffic Jam.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Thug-Leader



This reminds me of Celine's words in Before Sunrise

" You know, I have this awful paranoid thought that feminism was mostly invented by men so that they could like, fool around a little more. You know, women, free your minds, free your bodies, sleep with me. We're all happy and free as long as I can f**k as much as I want."


This reminds of how Faye D'Souza shut downed Yasoob Abbas for asking her to come to work wearing a bikini.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVt6gW6N3bY[/YOUTUBE]

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Posted: 7 years ago
#27
If men masturbating in movies is gross, women masturbating in movies is also gross. But the target audience of female masturbation scenes are men. They enjoyed the Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham scene as much as they used to enjoy rape scenes in 80s movies. Toh ab jo yeh female masturbating scene ka trend chalu hua hai woh khatam nahin honewala.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#28
Masturbation scenes are NOT objectifying women.
'Objectifying' means displaying or treating a human being's body as an object. When an item girl dances in skimpy clothing, she's simply providing pleasure to the men (and lesbian women) around her.

When a woman is masturbating, she's doing it for her own pleasure and sexual relief. She's OWNING her sexuality, not parading it for others' pleasure. That's the difference.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#29
Why are you so upset-item numbers or female masturbation scenes both are for the male audience only. Both are for male audience thrill seeking. Now if some critics think that female masturbation is content they will soon realize their folly. Just wait and watch!
Edited by TheRager - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#30
The one thing that you seem to conveniently ignore is context!
The Item song is using the sexy dancer to titilate the audience

Look at all the masturbation scenes you have listed- and tell me one where the objective was to titilate? Most of them are part of the character arch.A woman in an unhappy relationship, a woman in an unsatisfactory marriage- what do you think women in asexual relationships do? or for that matter, a tharki creep which was irfaan in Blackmail- I am sure most women on this forum have come across that specimen- the one who makes your skin crawl by just sharing your airspace!


However that being said, you are free to see whatever you want to see and if it gets you going who am I to rain on your parade :P
Edited by Anony-mouse - 7 years ago

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