What's the difference between IPK3 and Pehredaar...?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hello all!

I wanted to post this topic for a while now.

Saw a topic on IPK3 but that was closed so...

We saw that the outrage over Pehredaar Piya Ki got the show to go off air. One of the few instances where public outrage has forced a show to go off air.

What I want to know is- What is the difference between PPK and shows like IPK3 and others on air which are equally or even more regressive?

IPK3 uses the protagonist's PTSD as a plot device to engineer Rabba Ve moments. The male lead tortures her and all she does is cry like the Gangotri glacier is situated in her tear glands. Highly regressive where he keeps calling her 'characterless' and heaps all sorts of opprobrium on her.

An uncomfortable question, but I have to ask it. Was the outrage over PPK amplified 'cause the victim in the situation was seen as being a little boy?

Have we become immune to violence and misbehaviour against women?

Many young girls on TV have played characters they are older than. Correct me if wrong. Prachi Desai played Bani as a 17 year old. Avika Gor aka Anandi from Balika Vadhu played Roli on Sasuraal Simar Ka where she was wife to an actor 20 years her senior while underage. She even had suhaag raat scenes on that show, if I remember correctly.

There is an upcoming show on Colors where Jannat Zubair Rehmani will play an 18 year old with a love story and wedding storyline despite being 15. Does this not encourage child marriage? Does this not encourage sexualising of young children, especially young girls?

There is so much regressive content on Indian TV. Why is there no outrage over it?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Scream- It is based on ASR going crazy over what Chandni did as a child and then punishing a grown woman who has no knowledge of what crime she is being punished for. If he were that righteous, he would have told Chandni and family what the retribution was for.

I saw a promo where he sets fire to her bangles. Does that not encourage domestic violence?

They're basically glorifying domestic violence by inserting Rabba Ve moments in between. It's insulting to the plight of survivors.

It may not be based on child marriage, but this revenge disguised as romance is not cool.

Chandni apparently has PTSD but that is nothing but a plot device for Gul so that ASR feels sorry for her.

What's the difference between Viraj Dobriyal from Dil Se Di Dua Saubhagyavati Bhava and ASR? He tried to scare Chandni with spiders and Viraj also did the same with cockroaches. There is a difference actually. In DSDDSB, it was outright shown as wrong. Jhanvi was never in love with Viraj and would never fall for him.

Here, it's the opposite.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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After reading all the discussions and perspectives,here are my two cents.
1.Where PPK went wrong:The problem didn't lie with the age gap between the characters but with the manner in which it was executed.It was fine till the kid thought of the girl as an angel.But then he started behaving like a grown up adult instead of a kid.His dialogues were so inappropriate for a child.
The final nail in the coffin were those honeymoon dialogues and the sindoor scenes.


2.Difference between PPK and Gulaal:Gulaal was based in a remote village away from modern civilisation.They had their own set of customs and rules there under which the girl had to marry her teenaged devar.Even then they did not behave like husband and wife.
PPK is based in a modern setting where the kid's family are super rich hoteliers.How does child marriage fit into that scenario?? Its null and void.


3.The great debate about IPK3:Well I don't deny any accusation against it.Remove Rabba Ve from IPK 3 and it will be nothing more than another episode of Crime Patrol or Savdhaan India.

4.Just a general observation.I have seen many people remarking that Indian shows are regressive,Indian shows promote abuse,etc.😆 I just wanted to point out that of Indian pairs are abusive then some of the most famous ships of English shows are no less.Namely,

-Chuck and Blair from Gossip Girl:Chuck nearly raped two girls,used his girlfriend Blair like a tissue paper,pimped her to his uncle for the sake of his hotel,hit her in anger and yet Blair fell head over heels in love with him and married him too.

-Aria and Ezra from Pretty Little Liars:This guy enters the life of an underage girl and turns out to be her teacher,gets into a relationship with her and is later revealed that he had meticulously planned entering her life.This relationship filled every criteria of statutory rape.

-Delena from TVD:Now I am a die hard shipper but yes I don't deny that this relationship too was unhealthy.


So my point was that English shows are not exactly progressive either.So why look down upon Indian shows only when the disease is spread everywhere??
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Agar regressive hone ke liye serial band hone lage toh tv pe koi show bachega hi nahi...😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Regressive is regressive, and it does not matter who is the part of the show.

Ekta showed some regressive content and when ever she did she was slapped by a legal notice and a number of law suits.

She was slapped with a kaw suit for Kyunki for showing regressive content. And, this has happened on various occasions with her shows.

But, i guess she has learnt her kesson to some extent and after the K shows, she has brought some quality products (for a year which get ruined after that as well) and has toned down the regressiveness a lot.

This is not the case with Gul, Shashi Sumeet or Rashmi. They continue to show crap.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shows like IPKKND3 and Tu Sooraj are more dangerous than PPK. These two shows are glorifying domestic violence. They should be shut as soon as possible.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: clarity

@Scream- It is based on ASR going crazy over what Chandni did as a child and then punishing a grown woman who has no knowledge of what crime she is being punished for. If he were that righteous, he would have told Chandni and family what the retribution was for.

I saw a promo where he sets fire to her bangles. Does that not encourage domestic violence?

They're basically glorifying domestic violence by inserting Rabba Ve moments in between. It's insulting to the plight of survivors.

It may not be based on child marriage, but this revenge disguised as romance is not cool.

Chandni apparently has PTSD but that is nothing but a plot device for Gul so that ASR feels sorry for her.

What's the difference between Viraj Dobriyal from Dil Se Di Dua Saubhagyavati Bhava and ASR? He tried to scare Chandni with spiders and Viraj also did the same with cockroaches. There is a difference actually. In DSDDSB, it was outright shown as wrong. Jhanvi was never in love with Viraj and would never fall for him.

Here, it's the opposite.


In DSDD also, the show ended up being regressive. Jhanvi fell in love with her savior Raghav and they were happily married, Viraaj returns from jail, kills Raghav and then poisons Jhanvi too. At the end all they showed was a victim of domestic violence and a wise man who truly loved her and healed her from her trauma were killed off because being abusive was stylish and hott

ASR is worse, because Viraaj was outright negative and had no chance of remorse whereas ASR will be given a chance to redeem and his redemption will be 2 thick crocodile tears and a sorry and rabba ve moments again
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Posted: 8 years ago
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People need to see that pedophilia is an adult being attracted to a minor. That is what pedophilia is. A child being attracted to an adult is what happens all the time. Boys 12-13 years in age have access to all sort of adult sources and they use it! The show was showing much tame things in comparison. The only thing PPK messed up was the reason behind getting the two married. Any logical, educated and aware 18 year old girl would never marry a 12 year old even if someone saved her life. It is messed up in that sense.

IPK3 and Tu Sooraj Main Saanjh Piyaji are messed up shows and they cause much greater harm than PPK. PPK aired on Sony while the other shows air on the highest rated prime time channel in the country, Star Plus. Their viewership reach is much greater. One thing which I would like to point out, these shows are not created only for the so-called "trp-aunties". Producers know that teens today (esp. girls) love watching romance. So they make these romance heavy shows. The shows like Kyunki Saas and Kahani Ghar Ghar Ki were truly meant for TRP audience and which is why they had little romantic sub-plot. T hese producers know that the majority of internet fandom consists of teenage girls and they cater to it. IPK3 AND Tu Sooraj are so innately regressive in nature that it is saddening. IPK3 romanticizes psychopathic tendencies and justifies it with a " sad past". The impressionable audience of these shows would love to be Chandi to have the "angst" in these relationships. You can see that in comments on articles about IPK3 here on IF. Tu Sooraj glorifies emotional manipulation and mental abuse as romantic. Kanak tries to "reform" Uma because she starts liking him after she sees his POV which appeared exceedingly manipulative to me.
Edited by Angela_Grokes - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Indian TV is regressive, no defending that, period. However since you asked why there is no outrage-
1) Women, or rather girls, have been playing older characters since time immemorial. IIRC actresses like Sridevi, Rambha etc played adults at 14 or so. Unfortunately, this practise has become normalised.

2) PPK had a pre-teen child, playing a child character marrying an adult. Heard this happened in Gulaal too but people here defend that it was a good show idk 😕 Anyway the show was really blatant with the child-marrying-adult aspect and their suhagraat promos made many uncomfortable as it looked like it's crossing the line to paedophilia which probably didn't happen with the other shows.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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most Shows are regressive.. period.. Especially the ones with high trp.. Asfor PPK, I think it was mjch hullaboo over nothing
And yes, Gulaal makers should be thankful that there was no SM during its time


In Gulaal, the duo used to sleep on the same bed which is why The father decided to send the kid to hostel once he realized the consequences.. PPK A too might have had the kid sent to hostel if given time
As for pedophilia, it would have been pedophilic if the girl had the fantasies... The kid having fantasies is merely an infatuation
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