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Posted: 8 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic


Now, why would I be responsible for what everyone thinks? People also blamed Salman for Jai Ho or SRK for Ra One. But that doesn't mean, they were right. It's just that the Khans have more authority.

About BV, I'm pretty sure I criticized Anurag Kashyap. He made that movie to show people what filmmaking is and that's what happens when you're arrogant. In fact, that whole Phantom gang, I don't like anyone of them because of their holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to filmmaking.

In the case of Rangoon, most people blamed Kangana because of how she was going on and on about being an artiste, being some sort of a leader in feminist filmmaking, etc. That's not what I said. That's more or less what she's been saying. So, yeah, it was a case of a loud-mouth getting her tails burnt. That doesn't mean VB wasn't to be blamed. He was. It was his vision.

As for Fan, I've stated countless times that the movie went to ruins in the 2nd half. SRK as Gaurav was fab; it's still his best performance this decade, but what the heck was that second half? It's totally the director's fault. But as a SRK fan, you have ask where his judgment is these days because unlike Salman, SRK is a lot smarter.

So, actors' make decisions when signing a movie. Once the movie is in the production phase, it's the director's call unless the actor is overpowering like Aamir is (and he's usually good at it). Salman's fault is that he can't differentiate between a good script and a bad one - when it comes to meaningful cinema. I don't know how he stumbled upon Bajrangi. When it's masala or action, or comedy, he's okay with his choices. Not when it's artistic cinema.

Regardless, that's not the point I was making. My post wasn't about who was bashing who. It was asking the OP about Kabir's position in this debacle.



SRK's judgement?
There u go again, berating SRK's script choices, so u think his choice of Raees or DZ were wrong?

And you have been praising Sallu's script choices in recent films on various topics in last 2 yrs 😆
So what happened to Sallu's script choice now with TL?
Why did he think he could pull off that character of a dim-witted guy?
He was at fault for agreeing to do that role when hes not such a great actor to pull it off convincingly

And u think SRK's judgement and script choice is bad even with films like Raees and Dear Zindagi? 😲
He acted his heart out in Fan, was praised by all critics, yet got bashed and trolled for its failure, did not see you defending him then by saying its the director/writer's fault

And puhleaze, Kangana was not at fault for Rangoon's failure, most critics praised her acting and said VB ruined the end part...he made a hotch potch of history and romance and failed at his job
But Kangu was blamed for its failure
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Posted: 8 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: flameofdarkness




But didn't the same director also give him the biggest blockbuster(BB) of his career along with ETT? So yes, I do find it a little unfair that the usual suspects are throwing Kabir under the bus instead of showing gratitude.

So yeah...I would blame Kabir but only for making the grave mistake of hiring a terrible actor to enact the challenging role of a man-child with special needs.

Perhaps a capable actor with fantastic acting chops could've elevated the material but alas!




I addressed the Bajrangi factor, didn't I? There are three directors who've changed Salman's perception and audience's perception of Salman--Sooraj Barjatya, SLB, and now Kabir Khan. That remains. I'd include Abhinav Kashyap too, but it's obvious that Salman had loads of influence during the making of Dabbang, and that Abhinav and Salman didn't work in a series of movies.

Nevermind, Kabir has stated that after their strife during the making of ETT, Salman bought Kabir's vision and surrendered himself for Bajrangi and later Tubelight. Of course, he'd give feedbacks, but it wasn't like during the making of ETT - where the relationship was sophisticated to put it nicely.

As a result, it's not unfair at all to blame Kabir Khan. What bus are you talking about? Success and failure are part and parcel of this business. If Kabir was hailed for Bajrangi, then he needs to shoulder the blame for Tubelight. He is the captain of the ship. It's his vision. The director is the author of the movie.

Salman's fault is that he shared this vision, and he doesn't have the sensibility to pick good script when it comes to good cinema. Kabir's fault is that he opted to remake a failed movie; he changed the dynamics completely and included a 50-year-old in the role of an 8-year-old (originally); he wrote a poor screenplay, and he directed the movie poorly. It's not a case of a great movie brought down by Salman's poor acting; it's a poor movie that had a poor performance.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25



SRK's judgement?
There u go again, berating SRK's script choices, so u think his choice of Raees or DZ were wrong?

And you have been praising Sallu's script choices in recent films on various topics in last 2 yrs 😆
So what happened to Sallu's script choice now with TL?
Why did he think he could pull off that character of a dim-witted guy?
He was at fault for agreeing to do that role when hes not such a great actor to pull it off convincingly

And u think SRK's judgement and script choice is bad even with films like Raees and Dear Zindagi? 😲
He acted his heart out in Fan, was praised by all critics, yet got bashed and trolled for its failure, did not see you defending him then by saying its the director/writer's fault

And puhleaze, Kangana was not at fault for Rangoon's failure, most critics praised her acting and said VB ruined the end part...he made a hotch potch of history and romance and failed at his job
But Kangu was blamed for its failure



<facepalm>

I don't know if your comprehension is poor, or you simply aren't bothering.

a. I've praised SRK in this very post and the reason I questioned his judgment is because I consider him smarter than Salman. I didn't like Raaes. I loved DZ. This decade, only SRK films I've liked are MNIK and DZ. Now, whether you're a SRK fan or whoever's fan, nobody would say that movies like Ra One, Don 2, JTHJ, Dilwale, HNY, etc. are good choices. Well, with HNY - since it was a big hit, that's justifiable. Now, don't come to me with Salman's movie list. It's widely accepted that movies like Ready, Jai Ho, Bodyguard, PRDP, etc. are crap-fests.

b. About Salman's script choice, refer to some of the bold bits. I don't remember praising Salman's script choice in the last two years. In fact, I've had countless arguments with many Salman fans - as much as I have had with you. You seem to have selective memory because I've praised SRK many times because I like him - but one criticism against him, which is valid of course, you get on the defensive immediately.

c. People who bashed SRK for Fan did it because they had ulterior motives. So, you can't lump everything in one cauldron. Even if the movie was half-baked, SRK was superb in that movie (as Gaurav). I've stated that countless times. You see, just because someone else is biased, that doesn't mean you become biased too. What kind of logic is that? Why would you talk to me about so and so bashing so and so? How am I responsible there? That's none of my business. If you disagree with what I say, that's when you can quote me or argue with me. Jeez.

d. Nowhere did I mention that Kangana was at fault for Rangoon. It was a case of her attitude that brought the backlash. VB is an auteur. Any movie featuring auteurs like VB, Anurag, Dibakar, Kabir, Raju, SLB, etc. are their visions.

Just read, yaar.
Edited by Kareenafanatic - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lol remove Bajrangi and Kabir Khan's filmography would be similar to Sajid Khan . ETT was written by Aditya Chopra and that's why he kicked him out of the sequel
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic

it's a poor movie that had a poor performance.




And finally we are on the same page 👍🏼
Edited by flameofdarkness - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25


Then why wasnt Anurag Kashyap blamed for BV?

Why wasnt Vishal Bhardwaj blamed for Rangoon?

Why wasnt Maneesh Sharma blamed for Fan?

In each case, the director's handling of the subject matter was faulty, yet the actors were blamed for the flops

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Posted: 8 years ago
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The casting director should be blamed more.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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WOW...so now Kabir Khan has become equal to the likes of sajid Khan??🤔 👏...I agree that it was KK's fault also for not judging the acting potential of Salman...but seriously...Sajid Khan??...so how about if KK is to take the blame of the debacle of TL...let us give him the credit for BB and ETT...Sallu has nothing to do with it...nothing to do with Sallu's stardom...because the person who gets the blame for a movie's failure should get the credit for the success too...that will be fair..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: glace-bleue

WOW...so now Kabir Khan has become equal to the likes of sajid Khan??🤔👏...I agree that it was KK's fault also for not judging the acting potential of Salman...but seriously...Sajid Khan??...so how about if KK is to take the blame of the debacle of TL...let us give him the credit for BB and ETT...Sallu has nothing to do with it...nothing to do with Sallu's stardom...because the person who gets the blame for a movie's failure should get the credit for the success too...that will be fair..



Kabir never gave a big hit without Salman while Salman can do the opposite
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: glace-bleue

WOW...so now Kabir Khan has become equal to the likes of sajid Khan??🤔 👏...I agree that it was KK's fault also for not judging the acting potential of Salman...but seriously...Sajid Khan??...so how about if KK is to take the blame of the debacle of TL...let us give him the credit for BB and ETT...Sallu has nothing to do with it...nothing to do with Sallu's stardom...because the person who gets the blame for a movie's failure should get the credit for the success too...that will be fair..





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