Shivagami or Devasena - Page 3

Even though Devasena and Sweety are bae but Sivagami is on another level. The first scene itself of the baby flowing above the river water and she sacrificing her life. She was a one woman army. The intensity in her eyes and her powerful voice can send chills to even a corpse.

Originally posted by: Justmoi

I love Devasena. She is an incredible woman who is strong, brave, had a clear sense of self and did not need a mate to complete her. When the life she imagined and trained for turned upside down with the murder of her husband she had the fortitude to stand firm and not allow Kattappa to release her. She waited in faith for her son to come and rescue her while building a pyre stick by stick. It would have driven a lesser person crazy.

That said, my pick is Shivagami.

She rose against all odds. I have background on this because I have read the book, "Rise of Shivagami". Without spoiling much I will only reveal her father was arrested and tortured by Bijaladeva's father for being a traitor when she was a child. She lost everything. Then to rise and become the wife and eventual ruler in the dynasty that killed her father is incredible. But that is not what makes her my pick. It is how she atoned for her mistake. We all make bad judgements, even the best of us. But to atone, she sacrificed her life for Baby Mahendra. That to me makes her an incredible character.

Originally posted by: Chudailpaapi

Shivgami - Honor and Duty. She faced incredible challenges to preserve the kingdom, to save life of both father and son bahubali, to realize all her sacrifices were in vain.

My opinion-
Both the sons were unfit rulers for Mahastami. Not one was ready for sacrifice to preserve the kingdom. She saved life of bahubali and got her generation destroyed. Unless I am missing another child or grandchild, her lineage is dead. She actually saved life not once but twice of the people who would end her blood line.

Devsena is feminist prototype turned ma from Karan Arjun. "Mera Bahubali (karan Arjun) aaeyga". Shut up. If you are that awesome, then run and fight for your kingdom. So many freaking people lost their life saving that idiot. And let me not start with the fact kingdom ended up with bhalla who was tryant. Poor Mahastami. What did they do to deserve these morons?

Like I said the kingdom after shivgami was a mess, I have no hopes from that new (questionable) bahubali. 😛 😆

Originally posted by: BeEverVectorMan

both are discarded from my side

i will go for AVANTIKA...this chalak lomdi lady with her sheer beautiful body and mind easy convinced the rock climber to wage her war to which she was sworn to😆 😆

But he got back his identity and kingdom for the same Avanthika...don't u think so ?

Originally posted by: -.Merit.-

This.

There are very few people who have the courage to accept their mistakes especially for a woman of pride and great stature like Shivagami. The way she fell on Devasana's feet to seek apology and how she saved baby Mahendra, sacrificing her life for the good of Mahismati won me over. She redeemed herself. The very first scene in Bahubali 1 impressed me a lot when she's carrying the baby in river and pleading Lord Shiva to save the baby and punish her for her sins. She was a woman of principles.

As much as I like Bahubali, and think both characters--Amarendra and Devasena--are epic characters, Devasena isn't a properly written character. As Pony stated, both Shivagami and Devasena were strong, feisty, and simply good in one of the movies (Devasena in the Conc. and Shivagami in the Beginning). The same applies to Shivagami.

In the first part, Shivagami is fierce, just, loyal, independent, compassionate, and fair. She is the upholder of justice, yet, at the same time, she also has a soft heart. But that doesn't stop her from being stern and pushy when push comes to shove. She's shown to be an excellent strategist and mentor. After all, under her supervision, both her sons grew up to become peerless warriors.

In the second part, however, all of that goes out of the window. She is portrayed as narrow-minded, gullible, irrational, and fixated women who is a shell of her former self. How did she go from being a strategist to a weak woman easily manipulated by Bijjal Deva and Bhallala? In fact, in the first movie, Shivagami's faith in Bahubali is unwavering. She loves and trusts Bahu more than she does anyone. She wants Bahu to become the Kind--not because of love, but because she is also aware that Bahu would be a just and equal ruler as opposed to Bhallala, who is more of a warrior type than the strategist Bahu is.

How did she become the antithesis of what she was in Bahubali 1? This is poor writing. Shivagami's character goes from becoming a fierce ruler and mother to a stupid person without any justification at all. If we study Shivagami in the first part, there is no way that person could sanction the assassination of Bahubali. Even if she felt wronged by Bahubali, as an astute politician, Shivagami would have enough sense to talk to Bahubali in private before coming to her conclusions. Also, how would the supreme leader of Mahishmati take such an amateur, prejudiced, and petty decision? Bahubali's death would be a huge blow to the kingdom. If it weren't for the joint prowess of Bahubali and Bhallaladeva, the Kalkeyas would have destroyed Mahishmati. How come such a thought didn't sprout in the mind of the supremely intelligement and tactical Shivagami devi?

Bahubali 2 was great to watch because of Amarendra and Devasena, but it was a movie riddled with inconsistencies. I don't even want to get into Shivudu transforming into Amarendra Bahubali mkII without any training, tutelage, or mentorship. Hilarious.

Now, let me come to Devasena. Up until the Karan Arjun twist, as CP stated, she was phenomenal. Her cringeworthy behavior at her godhbharai notwithstanding; Devasena was almost as fiesty and fiery as Shivagami. That's also where the similarities end. Shivagami was calculative and a strategist. Devasena was rash and had a tendency to divest her energies. Her strengths were armed combat and leadership on the battleground. As a leader, she was unfit just as Bhallaladeva was, but for other reasons.

Now, tell me, how come such a fiesty, a woman with a never-say-die attitude, and a true warrior end up becoming Durga Singh (Rakhee) from Karan Arjun? If anything, Devasena's earlier traits tell us that she is someone who'd form a rebellious group and wage a cold war against the Kingdom of Mahishmati. So, in all likelihood, it would be Devasena in collaboration with her brother, plotting against Bhallaladeva and searching for her son, Shivudu.

Finally, I'll just add to what CP said. Shivudu becoming King of Mahishmati was all good with a happy ending, but the guy has no personality trait, or character apart from being Amarendra's son. He wasn't a trained warrior, so it's hilarious to see him defeat a trainer warrior--someone equal to his father--as Bhallaladeva. Secondly, how would a simpleton, all of a sudden, be capable of ruling a complex kingdom like Mahishmati? It just doesn't make sense.

That is why Devasena's character should have taken another path, or even better--I'd have had Shivagami survive Bhallala's attack and help nurture, grow, and groom Mahendra, as she did with Amarendra, in a faraway land before it was right for Mahendra to return to Mahishmati. That would have been epic shit.

Just two decisions--sparing Shivagami's life until Mahendra grew up and uniting Devasena with her brother as part of the insurgent group would have added so much credibility to the entire series. Alas.

ok I again watched the film today. and now I m very much clear and out of my dilemma. Its Sivagami for me

Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic

That is why Devasena's character should have taken another path, or even better--I'd have had Shivagami survive Bhallala's attack and help nurture, grow, and groom Mahendra, as she did with Amarendra, in a faraway land before it was right for Mahendra to return to Mahishmati. That would have been epic shit.

Just two decisions--sparing Shivagami's life until Mahendra grew up and uniting Devasena with her brother as part of the insurgent group would have added so much credibility to the entire series. Alas.

Both . Both of them are badass women . 😎