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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: srkjuhi



Sorry to chime in here but can't help but state my opinion on some of that. This notion of him chasing directors is preposterous to say the least. And it's even more laughable when it's suggested that he wants to work with them now because they are successful. If that were the case he would never be working with Imtiaz to begin with. Imtiaz has discussed almost all his previous projects with Shahrukh but it's only now that he is working with Imtiaz. After Tamasha. And why should he not do movies that have the romance element to them or belong to the genre. The guy owns that genre! 😆 To imply that just because he has reached the age of 50 , he should stop doing them is something I couldn't disagree more with. He's an actor. Why should he stop acting in a whole genre just because of his age. Yeah, question him all you want if he's still doing what he was doing back in KKHH , that's playing a guy who's in college or whatever but if the storylines are age appropriate then what's the issue here. And no offense but perhaps it's the directors that are chasing him. I mean that could be a possibility...right? Maybe it's Aditya that wants him in his next project or SLB that wants him in his next. And Shahrukh has always talked about how he needs to first and foremost feel comfortable with the directors he's working with which is why he came on board for Anand's and Imtiaz's next after being in talks for quite a few months. So when that comfort is already there between him and Adi , why should he just reject a film that he's being offered if he infact happens to think it's a good project.

ETA: With regards to the number of films , he said it just last year before Dilwale even released that he wants to do more work. It doesn't mean he wants to do more work in the hope of something might work but because he just wants to do a lot more work. He has talked about how in the past few years he has just done one or two movies in a year and has been battling some injury or the other so he now wants to do more projects provided he likes them of course.



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For sure. But SRK never reads or asks for the script/narration when Adi/YC are involved (after DDLJ)..so most of the time he doesn't even know if it's a good project or not..he just does it because it's them. I don't think SRK will ever reject an Adi-directed film. He doesn't even know what Adi's film with him is about just that Adi asked him to keep dates so he did. 😕😆
Of course these guys can be/ and ARE chasing him too but I doubt SRK would give SLB time of day after Saawariya and Guzaarish vs BM. SLB has been chasing SRK since forever...he wanted SRK in BM too but SRK is only showing interest now.

For romance...it's boring because he has already done everything he could in this genre that BW writers are capable of writing & BW is capable of making right now. There is noting left to accomplish...mature love story is good, but how many mature love stories exist in BW? 😆

Most of the time they just say the actor is 40 because they don't look 20 anymore...and then behave the same way. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

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And lastly now I am getting confused. I remember you and RR used to discuss about the film after release also.Good parts,bad parts and thought it doesn't happen if you completely disliked a film so in this case I took it in a different way,it seems,so sorry for that,probably the discussion happened due to Shah Rukh Kajol Scenes/Pairing in the film.Even when it was collecting well in overseas we had a discussion on it.So I took it that way and didn't get that you totallydisliked it.

Agar SRK pe trust ki itni si bhi kami hoti usske films ko opening nehi milti.CE,HNY even Dilwale in a clash with BM and FAN got huge opening.Film dekhne ke baad trust ka kuch kaam nehi hai.FAN earned less not because of trust,that dark film got 19 crores opening.Its not easy.It didn't work well only because it was too dark,no songs,no romance,no heroine kind of things, also its budget was pretty huge.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Its like reading a novel...😆
people stopped writing paragraghs???


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: turqoisedress


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For sure. But SRK never reads or asks for the script/narration when Adi/YC are involved (after DDLJ)..so most of the time he doesn't even know if it's a good project or not..he just does it because it's them. I don't think SRK will ever rbeject an Adi-directed film. He doesn't even know what Adi's film with him is about just that Adi asked him to keep dates so he did. 😕😆
Of course these guys can be/ and ARE chasing him too but I doubt SRK would give SLB time of day after Saawariya and Guzaarish vs BM. SLB has been chasing SRK since forever...he wanted SRK in BM too but SRK is only showing interest now.

For romance...it's boring because he has already done everything he could in this genre that BW writers are capable of writing & BW is capable of making right now. There is noting left to accomplish...mature love story is good, but how many mature love stories exist in BW? 😆

Most of the time they just say the actor is 40 because they don't look 20 anymore...and then behave the same way. 😆

But that says more about the bond he has with them that he trusts that they'll only offer him things that are darn good and I think so far whatever project YRF has offered him has been quite good. Of course one can differ in that as art is subjective but for the most part I'm a fan of the work he has done with that production house. Besides if he's saying he's in talks with Adi then I'm sure he now knows the content of the project and will give his input if he feels like he has something to suggest.
BM was even offered to SK, it's a project that he wanted to make ages ago with Aishwarya and SK. I'm not sure if it was offered to Shahrukh but his name did come up while SLB was trying to make it earlier just like Fawad, Shahid, Shahrukh's names have come up now with regards to Padmavati. And this notion that Shahrukh would have not given him the time of the day earlier after Saawriya and Guzaarish is amusing because Shahrukh agreed to work with Farah after TMK. He is someone who's now working with Rahul Dholakia whose last few films haven't done well at the BO. And like I said he's working with Imtiaz too.
Aise toh he has explored every genre almost so what's left to do..lol! Every director has their own way of storytelling and that's what makes it exciting. DDLJ , KKHH, JTHJ, DTPH all fall in the romance genre but each one is different from the other. His roles in all of those are still remembered so as long as Imtiaz is making a film that has a solid script, characters that are sketched out well, I'm absolutely on board no matter what the genre is but then again to each his own.
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Posted: 9 years ago
He never had. I always thought of SRK as a terrific actor, until one day I realized he's a true blue business and a success-hunger .. Nothing wrong in it, but definitely not an artist 😵
In his starting of his career, he was able to experiment like hell, cuz he wanted to succeed.. He used to do 4/5 movies a year, anything which clicks would be fine by him .. But that's never an artistic quality.. Luckily movies like Darr, Bazigar etc clicked with him.. But it could've been flops.. But still he would continue doing 4/5 movies a year, because hard work has no replacement and one day he was bound to succeed👏..

As much as I loved SRK, I realized his insecurity for money and success pretty late and I now think that's him.. I love him as a successful hard-working man.. But he has no artistic quality or never was an actor.. In a 25 yr career, I can only pick Swades as an outstanding movie and performance, but that ratio isn't really good 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
I challenge Shy to read every single post in this thread😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

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In my opinion it would be wrong in case of Bar Bar dekho team.Excel shifted raees then will shift BBD then will give Raees that date and then when will BBD will release.In case of Shah Rukh probably they thought they can afford clash which they cant for BBD.Its fair that he openly went to Rakesh Roshan and requested him,if now clash happens its ok,if doesn't happen even then its ok.There is no shame in all this.Its good na that he is not showing ego and doing things and thanking people directly.

August mein kaise ayega.Two week open deta hai na big stars ke filmo ko!Dhishum got it...Then MD and Rustam is happening.Its not possible.


He actually said in his Boomerang interview that Inshallah,lets see it might be like Chak De.And I am not aying ke expectation barha lo aapni,I am saying it because it shows what he thinks about the movie.So he does have belief in it.And the team is getting ready to clash so it means they are confident so itna bharosa to rakhna parega na.

No one is deluding anything.The thing is you lost the trust and I didn't and hence difference of opinion.No the pattern is not that.The pattern is he has worked with new set of directors like MAnish,Gauri,Imtiaz and Anand and now he is thinking of woring with SLB and Adi.More importantly he is working exactly like he likes to work.Nothing changed.He is not chasing love stories.Imtiaz's films are always about love and finding one's true self,thats it.Anand's film he is excited as its a dwarf film.About Adi,he only worked with Shah Rukh with huge gaps.And SLB ke saath wo jaane kabse baat karraha hai.Don't imply it to that as SLB is successful now so Shah Rukh is working with him.Aisa nehi karta wo,ye tum janti ho.


And lastly now I am getting confused. I remember you and RR used to discuss about the film after release also.Good parts,bad parts and thought it doesn't happen if you completely disliked a film so in this case I took it in a different way,it seems,so sorry for that,probably the discussion happened due to Shah Rukh Kajol Scenes/Pairing in the film.Even when it was collecting well in overseas we had a discussion on it.So I took it that way and didn't get that you totallydisliked it.

Agar SRK pe trust ki itni si bhi kami hoti usske films ko opening nehi milti.CE,HNY even Dilwale in a clash with BM and FAN got huge opening.Film dekhne ke baad trust ka kuch kaam nehi hai.FAN earned less not because of trust,that dark film got 19 crores opening.Its not easy.It didn't work well only because it was too dark,no songs,no romance,no heroine kind of things, also its budget was pretty huge.


Yep, like it would be wrong for BBD it is wrong for Kabil too. I was talking about BBD only because it would be easier ...anyways their reasoning and thought process was clearly different..ab what's done is done. It is coming in Jan. Yes I get what you're saying about doing it openly and being gracious instead of egoistic and that is good..still I feel that he has handled the whole shift badly because of the perception it has created about the film..I do hope it is good.

For SLB...it's just talks anyways, it might not happen for a very long time kyunki SRK thankfully doesn't have 200 days for any SLB film & he will always pick AdiC first...hopefully discussion stage mein hi khatam hojaye SLB ki film. 😆 He said he was talking to SLB after RL too (for BM) 😆

OH lol..yeah I liked the SRK-Kajol parts (whatever little there was) and probably gushed with RR over it. 😆 But I didn't like the film overall much...I did like Dilwale more than HNY but that doesn't speak for much because HNY was so so bad. 😆 I was and am mainly annoyed with RS for Dilwale.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: turqoisedress


Yikes, I am writing more today than I have in ages. Problem of being home sick and bored. 😆

I think he signed HNY & CE around the same time..I dunno exact dates. He wanted to do hardcore masala films at the time and get a big hit and prove to people that he still has it in him. So he went for the biggest hardcore commercial director, Rohit, and Farah because they had had a very successful masala films collaboration before. He probably thought at least 1 will work for sure..and HNY on paper was a fun idea. Let's not get into the execution. 😆 After the Shirish slapping incident the movie was a way to say sorry & get a potential hit. Farah's MHN & OSO are better than anything RS has made IMHO..it was basically supposed to be a mutually beneficial association as SRK needed big hits & Farah + family were basically outcasted from the industry minus SRK anyways. 😆

So, Nawaz was supposed to do Raees first..then he couldn't because of dates, so Farhan replaced him ...and it got pushed so much that Farhan could no longer do it and Nawaz came back. Actually, some of the delay happened because of SRK's injury on CE sets. A lot of things got pushed. Raees & Fan were offered first... Dilwale was in the pipelines afterwards..and SRK basically prioritized Raees last.. That's why I felt like he didn't want to do it. But yes he was excited after he started shooting. Now he doesn't seem to be.

It's simply easier to shift around your OWN film than go ask others to shift theirs around. There is no bad blood involved either. That's why BBD shifting would have been easiest. KJo is a friend. and would have understood. As for Dear Zindagi, my point was it doesn't need a big festive holiday release..so it could have more easily worked around another release date if need be. It could have still come in November, and Raees in Sept.

The rebel is because he doesn't want to announce dates in advance. But if the rest of the industry 'books' dates in advance, then he has to be prepared for the fact that dates he wants will be gone...and it is not right to come and then go ask everyone to change their plans because he is slow on the uptake. So, then be prepared for a clash...or pick a different date. Why keep asking others to bow down to your whims and fancies? There was a rumor that Raees team is suggesting some April-May holiday date to Kaabil makers.

He wanted to do an out and out commercial movie at the time and there's nothing wrong in that..lol. One has seen sometimes the most commercial movies or masala movies not working at the BO too so there's no guarantee either ways man when it comes to the outcome of a movie. Infact Rohit came to him wanting to do a remake of Angoor and Shahrukh was cool with that but then Rohit suggested CE as he had that idea in mind and they ended up working on that. Like he stated in the interview with Komal Nahta that he wanted to get that monkey off his back so you're absolutely right there that he did want to prove to people who have written him off I don't know how many times before as well. That's just called being driven and motivated man.
I don't think Nawaz was on board initially. I think he came after Farhan decided he didn't want to do the role as he was doing Wazir where he was playing a cop as well. I don't know about the delays in Raees but I have never got the sense from Shahrukh or anyone in team Raees ad if it was his last priority. Like EMP said I think he was offered a few films by Excel and he chose Raees.
But you're assuming that on the basis that Excel would have been cool with shifting BBD to another date. Why would they shift that just because they decided to shift Raees to Jan. That's not a great strategy in my humble opinion because you then are projecting that you can shift one movie to accommodate another one from your PH. It shows lack of respect then on their part for the team of BBD. As for Dear Zindagi, yes it's a small film but like I said maybe they think that's a more apt time to release it as compared to Raees. If I'm not wrong Dear Zindagi is apparently clashing too with Kahaani 2. A week after it Befikre is hitting the theaters. And before that you have Ajay's movie as well as ADHM coming out.
As for bad blood, it depends on how things are handled.
It ain't his fault if the rest of the industry or at least most of it have started booking dates before one even knows the whole cast. He think it's better to book a date after you have shot some portion of the movie. It's not that he's being a rebel for the heck of it. It's just about not believing in that practice of booking a release date before the full cast is even on board as is usually happening these days. And sometimes even booking in advance doesn't mean you can avoid a clash. Well, there were even rumors that portions of Raees would be reshot. I don't think there were any reshoots. How can he dictate something like that to team Kaabil man when it's not a decision that's in his control. He can request them to not clash but that's the extent of it and even there all he can do is request as the decision then lies with Team Kaabil.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: .Lakhan.

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Success / Hit ratio abhi Srk ki high rahegi till the time Data from 1988-1992 is not updated on BOI. Srk, Ajay, Akki all debut from 91 & 92, BOI is updating Data BACKWARDs, so wait for some time, all these figures will tumble when that data is updated.

Till then Salman will add up current big hits also, Success Ratio of Srk might not be achievable, but HITs will surely be Salman's ahead.

About FAN,

Do u know Dil Se did $ 2.30 M Business in 1998, look at that time & See the kind of film it was. Same Dark genre, different approach. This was also the case with FAN, overseas fans love to see him experiment with his characters, this time they weren't satisfied with his act.

In India we are use to that Romantic Raj Srk, show them him with that character & he will be loved again. CE was one example, he did Rahul in same way he did earlier masala hits, see the result, All Time Grosser biggest Srk hit.


Dil Se had Chhaiya Chhaiya ⭐️ Enough said! 😆

With a song that epic, 2 heroines again, great music by ARR who was top of his form back then, it was still a flop in India but did well overseas.

I dont get it why u are ignoring the main factors in Fan...no heroine, no songs which all these other movies that you are mentioning, all of them had.

Actually SRK debuted last of all...hes the last to enter BW as he was a TV actor first.

Aamir debuted first in 1987

Sallu debuted in 1989

Akki debuted in 1991

Ajay Devgn debuted in 1991

SRK debuted in 1992

So yeah, hes last to enter BW, still his success rate is top of the list. 😃

And yes, Indicine per all movies are counted in the success ratio, right from when the Khans, Akki, Ajay all debuted. So I dont get what ur saying abt BOI updating their lists.😕 What will they do? Fudge the original numbers? 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: turqoisedress


Yep, like it would be wrong for BBD it is wrong for Kabil too. I was talking about BBD only because it would be easier ...anyways their reasoning and thought process was clearly different..ab what's done is done. It is coming in Jan. Yes I get what you're saying about doing it openly and being gracious instead of egoistic and that is good..still I feel that he has handled the whole shift badly because of the perception it has created about the film..I do hope it is good.

For SLB...it's just talks anyways, it might not happen for a very long time kyunki SRK thankfully doesn't have 200 days for any SLB film & he will always pick AdiC first...hopefully discussion stage mein hi khatam hojaye SLB ki film. 😆 He said he was talking to SLB after RL too (for BM) 😆

OH lol..yeah I liked the SRK-Kajol parts (whatever little there was) and probably gushed with RR over it. 😆 But I didn't like the film overall much...I did like Dilwale more than HNY but that doesn't speak for much because HNY was so so bad. 😆 I was and am mainly annoyed with RS for Dilwale.


Actually with wrong I meant that as both the films are from Excel,it will be wrong on BBD team to give the date to RAEES.And BBD is also produced by Dharma so Excel have to take all the things into mind if they want to do it.Its fair that once you decided not to clash with YRF so then face the consequences by own rather than taking the other good date of your own production.The date was basically decided for BBD.I didn't meant clash with Kabil.In case of clash with Kabil it is like clash will happen and people will have to face it.I would have not like it if BBD would have change a date and took Raees's date.

If the clash is happening then Kabil was always on for the clash.First it was with Badshaho but now its with Raees.So its natural ke pehle jo screens kabil ko milne wale the wohi milega.So all looks fair.

We all seem too scared of SLB so I am not surprised you also are in the same boat hoping this time also they are only discussing.And yes,you guys were gushing over the scenes and all so I thought you enjoyed it but it also had flaws kind of thing.I already had to justify myself for liking HNY during Dilwale threads time, abhi mujhe nehi pata when you are saying HNY is bad to main kya bolu.Chalo ignore kar deti hun thinking majority wins.😆

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