The ramblings of a restless mind - Page 9

Originally posted by: desigal90

It just seems kinda counterintuitive to me.

The law says don't drink and drive because it impairs balance, perception, reflexes.

But alcohol also impairs judgment. And decision to drive drunk or to find a friend to designate to drive you is a judgement you make in a state when theoretically your judgement is impaired.

I find it so much more similar to punishing a minor because their judgement is not mature yet/impaired. In a state of intoxication, I would think that even a responsible adult would make the same mistakes a minor makes.

I guess that's why to me, when it comes to punishment, I think the intent takes precedent over the end matter.

Yes, a life was lost. But a life is also lost in an accident. We still say it was an accident.. I didn't mean for it to happen.

From what I've read, most people seem content that Salman is punished because it was the law and nobody should be above the law.

I'm more concerned about the victims, the families involved, and yes, even the accused's intent.

In such cases, my intuition and basal morality says to me...well if you didn't mean for it to happen, you still caused harm. You still caused a life to be lost. Make up for it. Do something about it. Help these people out.

But I guess I'm not the law.

Just a rambling mind 😆

but the judgment was not impaired when a person drove themselves to a venue and decided to consume alcohol there without making arrangements for a designated driver or take a cab back or catch a ride with someone else, or any such arrangement that would not require operating a motor vehicle. in that case the person made a judgement, in a non-impaired state of mind, to drink, knowing that they will at some point have to leave the venue, presumably driving themselves back.

This is the best topic on the case with well presented views (so refreshing compared to other topics).

Really interesting responses in this thread. I want to share some of my thoughts as well on this delicate subject. I'm a Salman fan and it's ridiculously stupid to say I'll be neutral when discussing this, but I'll try my best.

First, I'm pretty sure it's a given that Salman is guilty of negligent drunk driving, he killed (not with malicious intent) people. Anyone who says that he did this on purpose is obviously shitting themselves. It was a mistake, simply put.

He got scared and ran away, he didn't know what to do at the time and was scared. Understandable. Some people don't know how to react when things like these happen.

However, I honestly believe that serving 5 years in prison will bear no fruit " at all. Salman fans are threatening to commit suicide if Salman goes to jail, some have even already attempted and are now hospitalized. If Salman does go to jail, imagine if this does happen. Innocent lives will be lost for no reason. And before someone says "well, they're crazy fans and they chose to commit suicide on purpose." So what? They are still people like the ones that were sleeping on the footpath.

Salman has saved more lives, countless, than he has killed. And if he goes to jail for 5 years, he wouldn't get opportunities to contribute to society. A lot of people say that Being Human is all a media gimmick and shouldn't really factor in as the concept was materialized after the incident, but honestly, if we think rationally, where do you think the poor people with heart problems and other diseases would be if Salman wasn't there to help them? Has Salman benefitted people? Yes. Has he helped people to live? Yes. Did he help homeless people to acquire better lives like the ones that were on the pavement? Yes.

A lot of people say that it's common knowledge that one shouldn't drink and drive. Salman knew what he was getting himself into, how drinking impairs the senses and how one shouldn't obviously be driving while having consumed alcohol before. But what about the poor people sleeping on the pavement? Don't you think that they knew what risks they were exposing themselves to whilst sleeping on the sidewalk? There are plenty more places where poor people can sleep, like homeless shelters. I know my argument sounds a lot like Abhijit's argument, but the dude does have a point whether or not we care to admit it.

Now I'm not arguing that Salman shouldn't be given a punishment. He should. But not as harsh as a 5 year imprisonment - perhaps a one year jail sentence with lots and lots of community service and objectives which could be implemented to help the poor.

Because really, it was never in Salman's intentions to kill anyone and he is not a murderer like this forum would love to believe. And does one really think the victims would feel as if they have obtained justice after waiting so long? They themselves have said they want compensation, which I'm sure Salman can provide.

So yeah. Those are my thoughts. Feel free to pick them apart. Meanwhile, I'm going to go hibernate again. inb4 delusional Salman fan. 😆

Originally posted by: Sanju_

I know I am going to get mocked and bashed, but how many of these people who are rejoicing will come forward to donate/help the victims? How many of them actually feel the justice has been served wherein the victims themselves do not equate Salman going to jail to them getting justice? Is Salman going to the jail the most justified action? I don't really think so...not after all these years!! It is sad but couple of them rejoicing are using humanity aspect to try to hide their hatred for a celebrity!

It's true no one is above the law and Salman is no exception...he had wronged and he is being punished, but it is also equally true that his case has been aggravated due to his celebrity status and the zealous detractors! To me compensating the victims and Salman being jailed for 2 years would be the best solution in this scenario. I detest people who drink and drive because by doing so, they are risking other innocent people's lives as well, hence, a punishment is a must. However, in this case, Salman serving 5 years of jail term is not the only ideal solution...the most important thing is victims getting the true justice...Anyway Karma bites back and Salman is being bitten as well...in fact, he has been for the longest time, but Karma is not exclusive to celebrities, some members here shouldn't forget this!!! Some of them have shown new lows in bashing Salman and celebrating his conviction, which won't go unnoticed as well! Some of them really need to understand the difference between homicide and murder and not exchange them interchangeably!!! Anyway all said and done, I hope the best for all the parties involved and hope everyone gets to be at a peaceful state eventually, victims by getting the proper justice and Salman by serving appropriate punishment,

Nice post DG..

I didn't chk all the pages but those ppl who r bashing salman like anything , calling him murderer and what not are actually saying that if that girl had a licence , car had an insurance , was on phone Not drunk, they paid the compensation to the victims so it's ok if that girl got away ?

Originally posted by: TheRowdiest

I didn't chk all the pages but those ppl who r bashing salman like anything , calling him murderer and what not are actually saying that if that girl had a licence , car had an insurance , was on phone Not drunk, they paid the compensation to the victims so it's ok if that girl got away ?

Originally posted by: Maseera.

However, I honestly believe that serving 5 years in prison will bear no fruit " at all. Salman fans are threatening to commit suicide if Salman goes to jail, some have even already attempted and are now hospitalized. If Salman does go to jail, imagine if this does happen. Innocent lives will be lost for no reason. And before someone says "well, they're crazy fans and they chose to commit suicide on purpose." So what? They are still people like the ones that were sleeping on the footpath.

Salman has saved more lives, countless, than he has killed. And if he goes to jail for 5 years, he wouldn't get opportunities to contribute to society. A lot of people say that Being Human is all a media gimmick and shouldn't really factor in as the concept was materialized after the incident, but honestly, if we think rationally, where do you think the poor people with heart problems and other diseases would be if Salman wasn't there to help them? Has Salman benefitted people? Yes. Has he helped people to live? Yes. Did he help homeless people to acquire better lives like the ones that were on the pavement? Yes.

A lot of people say that it's common knowledge that one shouldn't drink and drive. Salman knew what he was getting himself into, how drinking impairs the senses and how one shouldn't obviously be driving while having consumed alcohol before. But what about the poor people sleeping on the pavement? Don't you think that they knew what risks they were exposing themselves to whilst sleeping on the sidewalk? There are plenty more places where poor people can sleep, like homeless shelters. I know my argument sounds a lot like Abhijit's argument, but the dude does have a point whether or not we care to admit it.