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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bazigar

To implement all anti consumer policy india hi mila hai kya 😆 that too with some fancy names like free airtel, internet for all . As if they are giving internet free of cost , even i thought airtel is providing some free internet. These telecom companies always come out with some ghotala plan , they will say its free cheapest blah blah but attached with loads of hidden charges. But in case of service hardly they are best , average download speed for 3g is 20 to 50 kbps speed but they pocket the maximum charges for 3g plan. They have already a 90 crore base of customer still need more profit.

When policy , even independent body like TRAI favoring industry lobby , no doubt in all this loot ultimately consumers always at receiving end.

Forget about having choice for consumer , because in initial phase they were in competition with each other for acquiring customer , now after 90 crore customer base it meet its saturation point . There is a high entry barrier for new entrant. So they will not compete with each other in terms of pricing just like the characteristic of oligopoly market structure..

Regarding BSNL-MTNL once these were considered as navratna having largest customer base. But with favorable policies for private players so also taking wrong strategy they allow them to drag towards loss making organisation. In fact they make it possible to shift of consumers from these companies to private players with deliberate wrong steps. May be in future they are in path of disinvestment . Even they did not participate in spectrum auction deliberately which indicate they are not even interested for increasing consumer base and giving good network.

Now a stage come , where we cant even decide how we will use internet and leave that choice to whim and fancy of these network providers. 😆 Dont give us anything free , we need net neutrality.

The maximum user base is India so ofcourse thy gonna target only us and with all incentives govt giving to companies i wont be suprised if Airtel succeeds in arm twisitng , because the govt is hell bet on pleasing foreign companies at the moment even if it means troubling India in long run and this is just not in Telecom sector every other sector , The govt policies has let to all this
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Posted: 10 years ago
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These idiots are undermining their own 'Make in India' nonsense with this rule. No brains whatsoever. This will not only push people back but also ruin all the startup business or chances of new investment. Like how stupid can you be? -_-
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Posted: 10 years ago
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There is a pretty good point made. If this kind of plans existed from the start, flipkart wouldn't be a competitor to Amazon. Flipkart wouldn't have any kind of existence cause Amazon would have never let it enter the market. Sad that companies like Flipkart supports such initiatives.


Internet needs to be saved mainly because of the reasons we have infront of us. It answers your questions honestly. Today if we know about such practices being considered it is because some people started talking about it and reaching out to others through this medium. Do I want such a tool to be manupulated by government and big companies like everything else ? No . I hope we can spread this message fast and invite everyone to join in the campaign. Write to TRAI or use the applications others have created to make your job easier. Take any route u want but make sure TRAI receives atleast one reply from each and everyone of us.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Act Now: India's Telecos And Regulators Are Trying To Kill Open Internet

Posted: 07/04/2015 08:42 IST Updated: 07/04/2015 13:01 IST
NET NEUTRALITY

Perhaps you've heard of this phrase "net neutrality". And about some tussle over it.

And perhaps you've let it slide from your consciousness, because it doesn't seem like it could concern you, especially in India.

But lend me your eyes for a few minutes and let me tell you how India's telcos and telecom regulators are trying to pull wool over them.

First, is there a problem now? Actually no. You've enjoyed the internet, the way it's supposed to be -- freely and fully, till now. But in 16 days from the day I write this -- April 22, 2015, the telecom regulators in India are preparing to recommend that it all change. Against you.

"[T]hey want the right to charge what they want, when they want and how they want, with no logic whatsoever."

Here's what the big fight is all about.

Till recently, the telecom companies had enjoyed a great run in India, making tens of thousands of crores in profits over a long run, as India grew to 800 million mobile phone users from virtually nothing.

During this time, they've largely focused on selling voice minutes --- while at the back end they have been using voice over internet protocol (or VOIP) to connect with other telcos and deliver calls using the internet. And given that the cost of VOIP is a tiny fraction of the cost of traditional voice calls they were charging, they raked in the moolah.

But, now thanks to the likes of WhatsApp and Skype and Google Hangouts, consumers can get the same voice calls delivered at internet prices, direct to their handsets. And this has the telcos running scared. Their margins are eroding.

So now the telcos want to charge for the internet differently, based on how you use it. By now you're saying, sure, if I use more bits and bytes, I'm ready to pay more. Actually, as bandwidth is infinite, the cost of bandwidth goes down globally all the time, you rarely pay more. But the telcos know this.

No, this is different -- they want the right to charge what they want, when they want and how they want, with no logic whatsoever. In effect, if Airtel doesn't like YouTube but wants to push its own video app Wynk -- it wants the right to offer that for free while charging you a bomb to access YouTube.

One of our telcos, Reliance, has already gone ahead with this Facebook-driven evil scheme called Internet.org -- where you can access Bing for free, but you have to pay to access Google. You have access to BabaJobs for free, while you have to pay for Naukri.com. They've sold it as a "solution for poor countries" but what they really mean is that it's a "solution to keep countries poor".

This breaks the very nature of the Internet.

In the US, this kind of differential pricing at whim has been made illegal. The US government has ruled strongly in favour of net neutrality.

But in India, the telcos have managed to get one person to write a "consultation paper" on behalf of the supposedly-independent TRAI (Telecom Regulatory Authority of India) asking for public opinion on allowing telcos to break net neutrality.

The note - which is terribly written, and deeply biased - is at http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReaddata/ConsultationPaper/Document/OTT-CP-27032015.pdf - and if you don't want to read through 117 pages of shoddily-written propaganda full of deliberately confusing jargon, there's a much shorter summary by my friend @Nikhil Pahwa of Medianama at Http://***urlremoved***/TRAIpaper and a set of answers to frequently-asked questions at Http://***urlremoved***/TRAIfaqs

But if you want the really, really, really short summary, here is logic in the TRAI paper: Telcos have invested lots of money to build out the network. They used to make a lot of money off it. But now other people are making money on this network, because they innovated while the telcos did not -- so this is a bad thing. So we need to let telcos charge people however they want so telcos can make the money they need. Basically: poor telcos. Sob, sob, sniff, sniff.

"Business is Darwinian. They didn't innovate, we don't need to bail them out."

This TRAI Consultation Paper is a load of complete bullshit.

For the following reasons. The first fallacy: that the telcos did us a favour. To start with, the airwaves are ours, the people of India's. Telcos bid for and paid a license fee to our representatives, the government of India, to temporarily license our airwaves to sell their networks on it. So building out the telecom network in India wasn't a favour someone did for us -- we asked these firms to do it and they paid us for it and profit from it. They knew what they were buying, they paid for it, and they got it. Now the world has moved past their fat margins on their outdated technologies, and they've failed to innovate. Other people, not telcos, have built WhatsApp and Skype. Their problem. Not ours.

Second fallacy, these firms are hurting financially. Nonsense again. Look at the publicly-quoted revenue figures of Indian telcos -- and you'll find that, like in any other business, some did very well, some did very badly and others did middlingly okay. Like in any other business. And look at them historically -- they've all more than recovered the amounts they bid for the spectrum. No one is in the poorhouse. And even if they get into the poorhouse in the future, we don't have any sovereign duty to help them out. Business is Darwinian. They didn't innovate, we don't need to bail them out.

Third fallacy, that there is a natural reason we need to be telco-friendly as technology changes. Nope again. Consider this analogy. We own our water. Let's say we want to license a firm or set of firms to distribute our water to residents across town. Some private and public firms, after open and transparent bidding, get these licenses. They distribute water, charge for it and all is well.

"[I]t is completely wrong for me to have to pay Airtel or Vodafone or some ISP any money to specifically access YouTube, or Skype, or any particular site that they decide to charge for at their whim and fancy. "

Now, after a little while, one person who gets water decides to use it to make soft drinks. He uses more water, and pays for it, at the agreed-to rate. And he sells the soft drinks. Another uses the water, pays for it, and sets up beautiful water fountains that people pay him to come and see. A third uses the water, pays for it, and opens a water park, where kids come and enjoy themselves.

Now imagine that the water distribution companies could have done any and all of these things all along - but chose not to. Now they get jealous of these other businesses -- and want to be allowed to charge soft-drink users and water-park visitors any fee, without any logic, without it being based on water usage.

Another analogy. Imagine if your electricity distribution companies -- Tata or Reliance / BSES or whoever would suddenly get up and start charging more for electricity from you if you used efficient light bulbs, or if you were used appliances that consumed less electricity. Because they made less money as a result of your smartness.

You'd say it was ridiculous. It is.

The TRAI paper is trying to make a make-believe case that telcos and ISPs who chose not to innovate should be compensated for their incompetence.

What can we end up with if we allow this to pass?

Once, shoddier products. Like Reliance and Facebook who are together offering Facebook for free and Twitter at a price, or Babajobs free but asking you to pay to access Naukri, or forcing you to use Bing because it is free unlike Google -- allowing net-neutrality to be flouted will make our internet experience worse. And I say this, not because I have any grudge against Facebook, Babajobs and Bing -- but because I think we consumers should have the ability to pick whichever social network, job site and search engine we want -- and not leave it to some rapacious telco or social network to decide what we should use.

Two, higher bills. It's one thing to charge for bandwidth -- and no one should have a problem with that. The price of that is falling anyway, as it should. Today, I have a 2 mbps connection at home for the same amount that I used to have a 256 kbps connection a few years ago. And I'm happy to pay for 10mbps too, if it comes to my home or my phone and does so at price I can afford. Or I can choose to save money and stay at 2 mbps as it becomes cheaper. It's my choice.

But it is completely wrong for me to have to pay Airtel or Vodafone or some ISP any money to specifically access YouTube, or Skype, or any particular site that they decide to charge for at their whim and fancy. These folks are the pipe-layers and their job is to push stuff through the pipes -- which we can pay for, based on how much of the stuff they push is used by us. They have no other rights.

What we do with the bandwidth must be up to us, not up to some profiteering telecom tycoon in Gurgaon or Mumbai.

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/mahesh-murthy/how-indias-telecom-compan_b_7009934.html

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yo @facebook and @googleindia , you supported #NetNeutrality in USA. Why wouldn't you support it in INDIA?



Speaks volumes about these companies and their intentions

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

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Yo @facebook and @googleindia , you supported #NetNeutrality in USA. Why wouldn't you support it in INDIA?



Speaks volumes about these companies and their intentions


bcoz it doesnt them hre...they want to torture the consumers and snatch all the money they can... Mark Zuckerburg ko meri badduaein lagengi...jhoothe makkar dhokebaaz😡
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Net neutrality: Stop Airtel Zero from doing 'hafta vasooli' or it'll kill your business

by Mahesh Murthy Apr 12, 2015 19:05 IST

#Airtel #Airtel Zero #facebook #Google #Narendra Modi #Net neutrality #Twitter

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Some of you may remember the huge hype around VAS (Value Added Services) startups in India less than a decade years ago - remember SMSing to get your horoscope for the day, or a cricket score update? The story was all about how they'd create great content for distribution on the telcos' networks and how we'd see new giant companies being formed.

Fast forward to today - the telcos' user base is ten times larger - but do you see any of those VAS companies around?

They're all virtually dead - and the telcos killed them. And they did so with a simple weapon - they charged a toll tax of 80% or more on all revenues generated by the VAS startups on their networks.

VAS companies are long gone - the telcos killed and ate the golden geese, and golden eggs are now hard to come by. But rather than learn from this debacle - they're out there to find and kill the next golden egg.

And that's you, dear Indian internet entrepreneur. You're going to be the next victim of anti #net neutrality.

Here's their plan. First it was Facebook with its apparently goodie-goodie "Internet.org" non-profit that was to bring the internet for free to the masses. This is what Reliance launched on its network. Till one figured that it would only bring Facebook's narrow, self-serving version of the internet to the people. So you'd get Facebook for sure, because your social network is more important than your kids' education or your health. And you'd get Bing, not Google - because Microsoft has a stake in Facebook while Google is the enemy. And it'd bring Babajobs not Naukri, for whatever reason - and so on. It's advertised as "internet designed for the poor" but it increasingly seems like "Internet designed to keep you poor". Your business can't get on to that platform.

Not to be outdone, and smelling revenues where Facebook sniffed out only poor people poking each other, India's largest telco has just brought out Airtel Zero - its "zero rating" app. And other telcos are waiting silently in the wings licking their chops to bring out their own ransom apps like Zero if they see Airtel get away with it.

While the PR spin around it is the same "free internet for the poor", the truth is that it's a very expensive proposition for everybody.

Here's what Airtel Zero is - it's a collection of apps that are chosen by Airtel and offered for free surfing by the public. So if you used Airtel Zero, your bandwidth meter stops ticking for any app that's part of the plan. Before you get excited, see what it really means.

First - this isn't for use by the poor - the real users will be all of us wanting to save a dime on bandwidth costs - which Airtel and others are raising anyway though global costs are falling.

Now you've heard that Flipkart has paid a chunk of money to be the e-com store featured on Airtel Zero. That means Airtel gets the money for the bandwidth from Flipkart - and in turns keeps other stores including yours out of this very select set. So if you're an e-com entrepreneur or a VC funding e-com companies, then tough luck - because you've just been locked out of the free internet that up to 200 million people will use in India. Airtel is busy striking expensive deals with others to be the exclusive real estate / matrimony etc type providers on this service.

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It's horrible from the consumer point of view too. We go from the open internet to the closed internet. Flipkart has paid through its nose for their spot and if you're in front of it, there's no competition on this free channel. They'll raise their prices on their products not just because they can, because you can't compare here - but because they have to, so that they can pay Airtel the ransom demanded.

And given that Airtel revenues are in the billions of dollars, you can be assured they wouldn't touch a thing unless it could mean another billion to them. So if you had a few dozens of crores of rupees - that is, a few dozen million dollars every year - lying around, you might have a chance of getting on to the free bus. If you don't, too bad, you're going to wither away and die. The Indian Internet dream will become a Sunil Bharti Mittal fiefdom. Oh, you can be sure that Sunil's son's little company, Hike Messenger, will be part of Airtel Zero - what's life without nepotism?

This is no longer the open internet - this is the closed network, where Airtel is the toll-tax collector. Airtel is the goonda asking for collection money to put your app in front of people. This is the old Airtel - the killer of VAS" back in full form.

What is truly terrifying is that the firms you'd expect to stand up for the open internet - Google and Twitter - have bought into this terrifying plan. They're on Airtel Zero - but Airtel gave them a free pass for now. Their logic is "Well, we're not paying, so who cares". Shame on you two and your shameful Indian managements who signed these deals - I'm sure if your owners and management in Silicon Valley knew the full impact of your decisions, you guys would be boarded out in a hurry.

Think a little, Google and Twitter. Sure, the first year, Airtel needs you, to get traction for their horrendous Zero product. But by year three, you'll need them. And you'll end up paying the tens of millions of dollars a year in hafta vasooli - protection money - to India's most thuggish telco. And who will you have to recover it from? The consumer again.

And who are you screwing over in the process, Google and Twitter? The consumer AND the young entrepreneur. Dear Google, you once said "Don't be evil". I don't know if you're watching - but your Indian team has just gone over to the dark side.

We're going back 30 years, to the days of the license raj, where the guy who owned the pipe could dictate what flowed through it. Can something stop this outrage, though? Can we get the open internet back?

Actually yes. The thing is that the atmosphere and airwaves this stuff goes through is ours, the people of India's. And our government licensed it to these thugs, under our terms and conditions.

There's currently a move by the telco-lovers at supposedly-independent government organisation TRAI to make things like Aritel Zero which break net neutrality legal and kosher. We have 13 more days to stop them.

As usual the Indian internet entrepreneur and VC / PE organisations like IVCA, TIE and NASSCOM are asleep at the wheel. Or clueless. Or bought. Or all of the above.

So it's up to us - the general public and the entrepreneurs - to fight back and stop this internet holocaust.

I'd written another piece a that gave you a broader view of the same move. Some momentum has started on this front.

We have 12 days left to fight this. Here's what you can do:

1. Sign this petition over at https://www.change.org/p/rsprasad-trai-don-t-allow-differential-pricing-of-services-let-consumers-choose-how-they-want-to-use-internet-netneutrality and share it with your friends.

2. Write directly to TRAI at "advqos@trai.gov.in". You can write what you like - but you could have words that say something like

Dear TRAI, I am writing to express my concern against the actions that telecom carriers are taking against Net Neutrality. Zero Rating Apps are one of these neutrality-breaking moves.

I believe the internet is a vital resource - if telecom operators can determine which apps I use for free and which I cannot, because of their secret backroom deals - this creates an environment that is deeply anti-competitive and deeply anti-consumer.

India is an inclusive country, and we cannot have such elitist structures on the internet. We have to allow the open internet, where consumers and entrepreneurs can be free to market and use any and all apps, without the burden of knowing which apps have free bandwidth pre-paid and which don't.

I am writing to ask you to demand net neutrality from telcos and specifically disallow Zero Rating Apps from all Internet Service Providers

Regards, {Your Name}

3. (Revised on Apr 12) Go over to http://savetheinternet.in - a site put together by some of our friends who care deeply about this. TRAI has asked 20 questions in their so-called "Consultation Paper" - here is a set of answers you can send them for each of those questions.

4. Write to the management at Google and Twitter to get them off any and all Zero Rating apps, including Airtel, so that they don't encourage rapacious telcos.

5. If you're part of an industry organisation like FICCI, CII, Assocham, IMC or others, get them to lobby on behalf of consumers and entrepreneurs around India. Ask them to put forward a simple message - yes to net neutrality and no to zero rating apps.

6. Spread this message by sharing this piece on LinkedIn, and ironically on the culprits Facebook, Twitter & Google Plus. Let's get all their members to see how evil their apparently-friendly social networks can be.

7. Get this message to your MP, and / or to Ravi Shankar Prasad or Prime Minister Modi. Make sure they know you care deeply about net neutrality and get them to legislate that neutrality-breaking activites cannot be allowed in India.

8. If any of you are members of the press, traditional or digital, feel free to re-post this entire article on your site or media vehicle, with attribution and without any significant changes. You don't need any further permission from me.

Thank you for your continued support.

I'll keep you posted.

(Mahesh Murthy is an investor, marketer and tweets @maheshmurthy. )

This article was first published in LinkedIn

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Not in India too.
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Look who all are supporting AIB's 'Save The Internet' initiative

Sunday, 12 April 2015 - 8:10pm IST | Agency: Bollywoodlife.com
From Shah Rukh Khan to Farhan Akhtar, Sidharth Malhotra, Varun Dhawan and Arjun Kapoor, AIB's latest initiative has found a lot of supporters..

AIB has finally come back - this time with a rather nice initiative titled 'Save The Internet'. The video is an attempt to make people aware of how telecom companies can change the internet usage scenario and how it will affect us.

All India Bakchod yesterday released their latest video- Save The Internet. The video that explains what net neutrality is and why we need to protect it giving a very basic and funny example, urges audiences to lend their support to stop tele-coms from foiling it. Ever since the video is released, #SaveTheInternet has taken over Twitter trends with every body tweeting and retweeting it. Coming out in support of the initiative, Bollywood celebs- Shah Rukh Khan, Varun Dhawan, Sidharth Malhotra, Arjun Kapoor, Farhan Akhtar and Ayushmann Khurrana- took to Twitter to express themselves and urge fans to their bit.

While King Khan shared the video on his Twitter handle, the others have urged fans to come forward in support of the initiative.

Here's what they tweeted...

Varun Dhawan: #SaveTheInternet come on india

Sidharth Malhotra: #SaveTheInternet push for net neutrality,Internet is a utility not a luxury

Farhan Akhtar: Please give 30 seconds of your time to do this. http://www.savetheinternet.in/ #SaveTheInternet #NetNeutralityIndia

Arjun Kapoor: Come on India, you need to #SaveTheInternet, and here's why https://youtu.be/mfY1NKrzqi0 make ur click count #NetNeutralityIndia

Ayushmann Khurrana: #SaveTheInternet. Let's do this! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mfY1NKrzqi0 ... Well done @AllIndiaBakchod

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-look-who-all-are-supporting-aib-s-save-the-internet-initiative-2076897

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I wonder if TRAI will go for Net Neutrality even if everyone does mail them or write to them.
Unless there is some sort of mini internet revolution or the newspapers make this a matter of discussion, Net Neutrality seems a far off dream.

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