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Posted: 10 years ago
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...maybe they have a different viewpoint...it's a democracy and this is our view and they are entitled to theirs."
From the article title I thought he is against anyone who is criticizing the video... ok,so he accepts that ppl have the right to criticise what they don't like.
I like the video in parts,it's bang on but the 'sex outside the marriage' is w*f. In India,where women are still fighting for equal pay,education and there are problems of female foeticide,attack on women,dress codes,this sex outside marriage line is added just to sound cool,different?.., or it's about a different world altogether... don't know what kind of feminism is this!Sex outside marriage can't be justified in the name of empowerment or freedom. Even the man can do the same and say it's my choice too!The message is flawed...the choices can never be free of responsibilities!
Madhuri's 'start with the boys' was quite good. I liked that one the most.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#42
Infidelity part is where I stopped agreeing with the video. It's ones choice alright but I don't endorse it
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: hollyBollyWood

i'm not sure why everyone is so against this video. this is the context that comes to my mind - where the majority of our society/culture has a tendency to justify rape of a woman or even blame her because she dressed a certain way or if she had (consensual) sex - premarital or otherwise, if she chose to go out late at night. in the end, these are my choices, but none of my choice gives you the right to my body or makes it permissible to violate me without my consent.


And he failed to convey this simple message.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'm a little confused.
When the video says, "sex outside of marriage", does that mean sex without marriage or sex with someone other than the husband?

I mean does that mean "I am married, but I"ll have sex with someone other than my husband" or does it mean, "I'm single and will have sex with anyone without the need for marriage"


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: NailClipper



And he failed to convey this simple message.




+1000

What NC said!!!!


@Desaigal90, I took it as sex with someone other than husband because there is another specific line about sex before marriage.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

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You are not the only one. Go through some of the FB posts on the ScoopWhoop and other articles.

There are quite a few people who interpreted it as women have the right to be in open or polyamorous relationships.

Quite a few others interpreted it as giving women the freedom to make mistakes. Adultery/Cheating should be a matter between the two people committed, not for society to judge.

Majority though interpreted it as giving women license to cheat.

More food for thought - what is cheating though?

If you no longer love your significant other but still say "I love you". Is that cheating?
If you have fallen in love with someone else, but don't act on it. Is that cheating?
Your relationship is only physical. You have emotionally checked out. Is that cheating?
You are deeply emotionally attached and invested in someone, but seek sexual satisfaction elsewhere. Is that cheating?
Is cyber sex or phone sex cheating?
Is masturbating to po*nography cheating?
Is imagining someone else during sex cheating?

Not having sex with others doesn't indicate faithfulness. Having sex with others doesn't indicate infidelity. It is tricky. It varies. When you are in a relationship and in those situations it becomes touch and go, extremely relative.

That is why I initially viewed it as an endorsement of cheating, but later interpreted it as "hey society, don't define boundaries for me, let me learn on my own"


No, thats not cheating. "some men have sex in dreams and ejaculate too".. its not under their control. Biggest computer and sexual organ is Human brain(s). And fastest thing in universe is human mind and thoughts.

Mind can play all kinds of tricks on YOU. It depends on if U know whats right from wrong and how to act. If U ACT in wrong direction.. it cud be anything from cheating to terrorism.. If U go the right way.. U r one step up on spirtuality ladder. Coz u r constantly looking within urself.

That asks me a question.. "who am "I"? Not my brain, not my mind, not heart or any other parts of the body. Whoz that inside me that keep telling me " dont listen to head on this one, listen to ur heart... and vice versa". What makes me happy for whole day even if therez no good news, and sad another day if therez no bad news. I m def. not into mind altering drugs. 😆

😆 Just saw a trailer of Roy on Star plus and asked my wife.. look look, her thighs r so sexy.. 😆 She said "keep watching , dont tell me, I m not lesbian" 😡😕😆

I opened up in other topic sometimes ago... a Girl here said " if u behave like this.. instant divorce". 😕😲

It takes lots of fun to know each other and convo.. to really know each other. It comes down to the level.. where words r not needed.. just one look at face of ur loved one... and U know whats going on.

Cheating is when.. U keep getting betrayed all the time. Its not one off incident.. its lies after lies. Its never abt if u r imagining "Aish" while having sex with ur wife.. its abt closing ur eyes kiss the most beautiful girl 😳 in real. po*nography can be shared by mature loving couples, it shows diff positions in love making and keep the fire alight.. Nothing worng with being a fan of a celeb and drool.. Nothing wrong with commenting on "sexy girl" on the roadside or "hot dude" in gym..

No cheating, all u need a competitive life partner.. with who U can share ur best dreams and darkest nightmares. Even if a woman throws herself onto U (Male brain stops working when the blood flows into the penis) Just rem ur lovely gf or wife... and just get out. 😆

10 min ki mazaa = zindgi bhar ki sazaa? Noway.

No, cheating is diff. Living under our own skin for 24-7 is diff. Mind plays tricks all the time. We have "choice" to act on whats right or wrong.

Lord Krishna said to Arjun" Sanyam... most Rishis didnt get it after years of tapashcharya.. To control ur mind is the first step towards me.. But U r lucky coz u r the chosen one coz of last many incarnations Karma".

Dont make it men vs women. Let straight ppl live in peace. May be one day, they will be in minority.

God's solution to control population on earth. 😕😆




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Posted: 10 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: KaanKeNiche

Open marriages are consensual by mutual parties, this video shows a woman claiming that it's HER 'choice' to have sex outside of marriage; thereby committing adultery. There is no acknowledgment by her of her partner.

And I'm not particularly sure why glorifying open marriages would empower women (if that's the context Homi is alluding to).


True but when i watched the video , i did cringe at the "sex outside of marriage" line but not even for a second did i think that it was talking about right to cheat.. my immediate thought was about right to open marriages .. but then i saw the comments where everybody was going bonkers over 'cheating' part... cheating, adultery , infidelity is in no way justified or lead to women empowerment but i dont think open marriages can be put in the same category.. and yes i do believe that allowing a woman to have the right to choose to be in an open marriage or not does indeed lead to empowerment , its the right to have a choice without being judged for it..its a choice of lifestyle...society together with its unwritten rules gaya bhaad mein.. i think that does make a difference..

Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly



See that's the thing, I don't think they were thinking cheating at all. I think they were so caught up in their mantra of girl power that they didn't think things through. That in of itself makes them at the least lazy filmmakers and at worst just bad filmmakers. It had to have taken them several hours if not days to shoot and put this thing together. Did it not click with any of them what that line was really saying or implying?


And other than turning his nose up at his critics Homi didn't explain his point of view further. This leads me to believe that they just wanted to say "sexual power and choice" and used damaging words and phrases.


Precisely ! .. Laziest filmmakers ever ! .. they couldnt even take time to review the content properly , they certainly did a shitty job with something (women empowerment) that couldnt afford a public mockery if its to make a proper mark in the society..and that makes them the shittiest film makers ever.. you would expect that people dealing with such an important issue will be efficient enough to not leave such obvious loop holes in their work .. apparently not ! .. now Homi is whining about the 'context' .. on the other hand , if he thinks "cheating" was the context then i dont see how these people were even eligible to make a video about women empowerment ..😆

Originally posted by: NailClipper

And he failed to convey this simple message.


++++ Infinity .. 😆

@atomnis

I assume your last post was about 'open marriages' .. if it was , then i get it ..if not , please do correct me ..

Open marriages can be a little hard to digest especially for the people in India where we are pre-conditioned to believe that one's choices are curbed to a great extent when one has an offspring.. i get it , children do change your life & rightly so .. you brought them into this world & now its your responsibility to put your heart & soul into nurturing them & do everything you can to make sure that they grow into a healthy , responsible , contributing member of the society .. In India, for most couples , divorce is not even option if they have kids of their own ..its all good & i am not complaining either , but when such restrictions lead to an unhappy environment over all , i think people should be given a 'choice' to set their own rules in their relationships without being judged or s**t shamed for it.. i do often think about how the west deals with it ..and i am not even talking about open marriages , lets talk about divorced couples with kids , their kids have to actually witness their parents kissing their respective new life partners..in India , kids rarely even see their own parents kissing each other .. 😆 ..but at the end of the day , 'to be happy' is everybody's right & they should be entitled to make their own choices without caring for the society's set norms .. i dont think being in an open marriage automatically translates to bad parents .. we do get a bit sensitive when kids are involved , heck ! i am not even comfortable with LGBT people adopting children in the west eventhough i do support LGBT rights , but then again may be i was too quick to judge..

@ RTH

Thanks for letting me know that i am not in the minority .. 😆

You described flawed human nature beautifully but i am not sure what you were getting at ... were you coming out in support of women's right to cheat , commit adultery or infidelity ? 😕.. in that case , let's just agree to disagree once again .. 😆.. this is the kind of irrational feminism that i will never support .. giving women the right to be horrible human beings is in no way women empowerment IMO .. rabid feminists will disagree saying men do have these choices & women too are entitled to have one .. i could have said that "two wrongs dont make a thing right" but i would refrain from saying it in order to avoid giving out a wrong impression.. the rabid feminists may feel i am endorsing the idea of "boys will be boys"..no that's not what i am saying here .. what i am saying is men too are judged for being douchebags & rightly so ..however , encouraging women to be douchebags is in no way going to compensate men being douchebags , the best it could do is satisfy irrational feminists.. and i think thats a huge price to pay just so that some nutters can have their satisfaction..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The thread title is very misleading which is giving chance to bang Homi. Clearly he said its democracy and anyone is entitled to his opinion. Some people loves to bang even without reading the whole story :)
Anyway coming to the video message, there are many things in the video which is bang on for me except the sex outside marriage part. I interpreted as cheating. Obviously that's not empowerment. But probably this can represent many women who tolerate when her husband doesn't have any conjugal relation with her, doesn't divorce her, force her to stay in a murky loveless marriage whereas he continues his sex life outside of marriage..but that's probably is another context.
Apart from that I'm failing to understand what's soo controversial in the video? Bearing a child should be women's decision however should be clarified before marraige itself. But its a short video not documentary to clary every points.you may not like the execution/one of meesage/Homi/DP/one or more of the 99 women in the video but the message which is coming of out of the video is not incorrect. About its being inferior to the Madhuri's short film etc, that's again personal choice. Even I liked Madhuri's one a lot but that's probably was not well publisized not even in this forum. But that doesn't mean this is trash and need this much of unnecessary controversy.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: hermione82


Anyway coming to the video message, there are many things in the video which is bang on for me except the sex outside marriage part.



That line is what this whole thread is about, and what we are all debating. I loved the video as well except for the sex outside of marriage line. Actually it seems like most people did agree with the video except for that one line. And it has completely overshadowed the message of the video as a whole since everyone is talking, discussing and debating what that one line really means. And if not debating then condemning it for advocating adultery.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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@AllBlacks1

I do not believe everyone should have kids. If someone is not sure or has even 1% feeling of not wanting a child then please never have one. Many are fatalistic and think everything will be alright by itself, everything will be managed etc. But this is not so. Often even the parents who think they are well meaning, fail to raise kids properly or deal with problems that children face. Raising children is not everyone's cup of tea. The child relies completely on the parent or caregiver till his mind is fully developed. Merely feeding or providing for the child are not parenting. If a parent is uninvolved, confused, not far sighted and makes wrong decisions then child suffers. Therefore I don't advocate everyone must have kids. It's a matter of another human's life, not to be taken lightly or taken chances with.

So I am okay if anyone opts to not have kids, whether it's s father or mother.

And if someone is this #MyChoice type then please surely spare the child from the instability that your personal choices create, and never have kids at all.

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