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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessunara



Off topic, isn't child marriage Islamic? I thought Polygamy and child marriage was very much in accordance with the religious dictates..
I remember my aunt who told me, her best friend is a Muslim, and she had asked if she would be ok if her FIL decided that her then 7yr old daughter was married off.. And she had replied, that if its what is willed she is ok..

I am to be honest remember being shell shocked..cz my mom n specially daddy would kill a man who would have wanted to touch me even when I was 17 let alone 7!

I am not aware abt the religion to argue to or against, I am just sharing something I was told.. So is it against Islam actually? And people still do that to little girls?😲 Like in Yemen I remember they didn't pass legislation to increase marriage age of a girl child to 16 or so cz it was un-Islamic.. Some activists had requested as lots of young baby girls r dying daily in marriage consummation or child birth.. And I remember reading the court verdict on this..😕

No offense intended.. Just shared what i read.. and it was a Yemen newspaper print, not a western one..

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/family/marriage/451654-how-islam-views-early-marriages.html
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Posted: 10 years ago
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All the muslim people I know including myself accept easily when movies highlight Islamic malpractices. More than that, I highly encourage this approach.
In the MENA region a lot of movies/TV shows deal with religious fanaticism and Jihad.

It's kind of sad that those stupid extremists which definitely represent a minority of the Islamic community achieved what they wanted: scaring people and discouraging them from expressing any kind of opinion.

As someone said, if it is about putting down one believes whether it is related to Islam or Buddhism rather than rising a sane discussion on real issues (like what PK tried to do), I do not agree with. I won't kill for it but I won't watch it.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: rits08

I was also 15 or 16 when I read it...very disturbing...especially when a woman who was raped is labeled as characterless and charged with adultry and after her child is born, she was stoned to death. Also, one of her friend was drowned and killed by her own father for talking to a guy... book is full of crimes and partiality against women, some of which are so ghastly



yes, its ironic...the last prophet was sent there for a reason and yet, the Arabs are the worst Muslims ever...also, I have to tell you..I read the same author's story on Osama Bin Laden's wife where she interviewed her on how it was to be his wife..and Osama's wife said that he never scolded, fought, quarrelled and got mad at her..he treated her really well, which is why when he decided to take another wife to supposedly expand Islam, she didn't mind at all..who would have thought that the most wanted terrorist was a soft and kind husband?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis

Sikhs protest everything. You cannot show a Sikh Guru even in animation. Some film on Guru Nanak is facing controversy because they object to anyone even trying to dub as narrator for the Guru (who will not be shown but only voice had to be incorporated).
Actors playing Sikhs are bashed about kind of turbans they wear, their hair, beards etc.

If I am not mistaken the SGPC has proposed to start its own censor board to verify films and other content on Sikhs.


Yes you can.

There are Animations with the Gurus


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIr3beAS_k
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Tinah - Tells you that every coin has two sides. The media will only show the one that "glitters".

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SaalaDonkey

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/family/marriage/451654-how-islam-views-early-marriages.html


Oh then it is true!! Its ok in Islam and is not a sin.. hmm..

As for marrying a little girl, not yet mature to object, without her consent, there is a difference between the contract of marriage and the consummation. As for the contract, aside from Ibn Shubrumah and al-Asamm who prohibited it, the vast majority indicated that it may be done by a father only, as in the case of the presence of a suitor that he fears may pass her up. (Keep in mind the different cultures, eras of history, locations...etc.)

This was allowed for a father (according to some a grandfather as well)due to his compassion and protectiveness of his children. This was certainly not allowed for uncles or others.

As for the consummation of marriage with a young female, the scholars agreed that the groom shall not be permitted to enter in on the bride until she is ready for intercourse.

In al-Mughni, Ibn Qudamah said that "her family should not permit him to consummate the marriage if she was not physically capable of intercourse, even if she was nine. He added that if they asked him to take her, he may refuse and he shall not be required to sustain her as a wife until she is physically mature."

The same has been echoed by the three other madhahib (juristic schools), which all indicated that the groom shall not be allowed to move in with her until she is physically capable of conjugal relations; something that should be left for the experts to determine.

Getting married young is the prescription of the prophet for some of the toughest challenges that face the youth and have an enormous impact on the well-being of the society; he (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "O young people! Let those of you who afford marriage get married as it will help them lower their gaze and protect their chastity. And for those who don't afford it, they may fast for it will curb the sexual desire." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim from Ibn Mas'ud)


@red - So my aunt's friend was telling about exactly this such situation!! Her FIL was strict, which led to my aunt asking about it and her friend saying if he says it should happen she is ok for her 7yr old little girl to be married off.. (They resided in UK)

@blue - Why marry her off if she is not supposedly ready for intercourse? It doesn't make any sense to me.. Marriage is done for love, for getting children, protecting wealth and many other reasons.. I don't get which of them can be used to justify a child being married off..

@green - omg 9yrs is not frowned upon? 😲 A child of 9yrs is certainly not capable of having safe sex! Even if she was she shouldn't be having sex! Even in the west I find it ridiculous that some kids indulge in sex when they r abt 12-13yrs old.. Over there the parents should be whipped for allowing young girls n boys to think they can mess around with it so young!!

@blue - Who r the experts? Mother, aunts, grandmother, MIL, husband, father, grandmother,mid wife, doctor, FL? Who exactly would determine if the child of 9 yrs has to wait till she is 9yrs 2 months till she is ready? Or that maybe she is ready at 10yrs and 1 month? I am just putting one situation.. cz this is exactly what happens in Yemen for an example..

@red - ok.. thanks for answering my question.. That its indeed an Islamically sound practice..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tinah



yes, its ironic...the last prophet was sent there for a reason and yet, the Arabs are the worst Muslims ever...also, I have to tell you..I read the same author's story on Osama Bin Laden's wife where she interviewed her on how it was to be his wife..and Osama's wife said that he never scolded, fought, quarrelled and got mad at her..he treated her really well, which is why when he decided to take another wife to supposedly expand Islam, she didn't mind at all..who would have thought that the most wanted terrorist was a soft and kind husband?


Would she say anything bad about Osama though. It's her husband.,

Anyway he is an evil man responsible for the deaths of many people.

It's like saying a pedophile who molests children goes home and treats his children very well.

Still a molester.

People who commit crimes at times rarely treat their close family bad. That's why their own families are shocked and plead their innocence when they get caught.
Edited by Atomicbomb - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The members are being requested to keep the discussion within the context and be sensitive and respectful of all religions and each other.

The topic is being allowed but kept under watch. Remember that any demeaning comment against any religion may result in straight warning level or ban.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#39
A comedy movie mocking Islamic mal- practices? 😆 Do U wanna get killed? 😕
BW has tackled islamic terrorism and hindu-muslim girl-boy issues in many films. But I cant see a funny scene where "muslim women beat the shit out of their husbands from a mosque and ask Allah.. why? why cant we come here?" or something like that? 😉

Serious movie.. wud have serious problems. When ppl take religion so seriously that their humanity or nationality go to hell.. its better to leave alone. Let them fight amongst themselves... Like Iran- Iraq, whole of middle- east, Shia- sunni, killing 100s of kids, brain washing them., this taliban and that taliban, so much blood sheds of innocent ppl... muslims killing muslims.. leave them alone.

Who r we kafirs to intervene? 😉

As for Naseer, do the "dirty picture 2". U grumpy old man.








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Posted: 10 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: Tinah



yes, its ironic...the last prophet was sent there for a reason and yet, the Arabs are the worst Muslims ever...also, I have to tell you..I read the same author's story on Osama Bin Laden's wife where she interviewed her on how it was to be his wife..and Osama's wife said that he never scolded, fought, quarrelled and got mad at her..he treated her really well, which is why when he decided to take another wife to supposedly expand Islam, she didn't mind at all..who would have thought that the most wanted terrorist was a soft and kind husband?


I havent read any other books from the author and honestly I dont even have the heart to read them. But I think Osama bin Laden was an engineer and not some illiterate guy. He might have been a good husband and a father even if he killed many. But he can't entirely be blamed for the situation in Afghanistan. The US raised and enabled Taliban , along with Pakistan in order to deter Russians. Had they not meddled in Afghanistan's affairs, they would not have been facing so much problems this day. Everybody wanted to exploit Afghanistan for its resources and in the end it was left as a war torn country with no basic facilities. Can you believe that once, this same country was much more modern than ours? They had schools and colleges for women, foreigners used to visit, there was no restriction on clothes, women had all the freedom. It was fast modernizing, but just because of funding by US towards these extremists broke down the entire country. And would the people of Afghanistan not rebel against US? Ofcourse they would and dats why 9/11 happened. Killing of innocent civilians cannot be justified, but the US definitely needs to keep the hell out of other country's affairs. They wont help abducted girls in Nigeria or fight against ISIS, but they would continue to deploy soldiers in Afghanistan...Why? Because it serves their purpose...they get economic and financial control over the other side of world, plus they get all the weed growing their for free

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