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Posted: 11 years ago
And its not just the question of "disrespect" towards our native tongues. With the growing propensity of English-medium schools and the overwhelming projection of English being "kewwwler" than indigenous languages in the popular media, the latter are in the danger of getting wiped off the face of the Earth. Already more than 600 languages are declared extinct.
Nobody's objecting to the use of English anywhere, we all converse in English over the Net in international forums like IF. But giving it precedence over your native tongue (unless you've been brought up abroad) sets a bad model to follow.
Edited by krystal_watz - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: preep

Iam really surprised to see on this forum that Hindi is not a national language...I have no ideas until now..😕

TFs..


Understandable, because many confuse national language with official language. Hindi is the latter, of course.😊

Wiki says: "The Indian constitution, adopted in 1950, declares Hindi shall be written in the Devanagari script and will be the official language of the Federal Government of India. However, English continues to be used as an official language along with Hindi. Hindi is also enumerated as one of the twenty-two languages of the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution of India, which entitles it to representation on the Official Language Commission.
The Constitution of India has effectively instituted the usage of Hindi and English as the two languages of communication for the Union Government. Most government documentation is prepared in three languages: English, Hindi, and the primary official language of the local state, if it is not Hindi or English."
Visual representation of Hindi:


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Areas (red) where Hindustani (Khariboli/Kauravi) is the native language, compared to all Indic languages (dark grey)

& then you have the so called "Hindi Belt"

The Hindi Belt or region where thevarieties of Hindi in the broadest senseare spoken.
The Central Zone or Hindi proper.

The Hindi Belt or Hindi Heartland is a loosely defined linguistic region in North and Central India where varieties of Hindi in the broadest are widely spoken, either as primary or secondary languages. It is sometimes also used to refer to states whose official language is Standard Hindi.

Sorry for the history lesson, I am a history buff, & Wiki makes it easier😳😆



Edited by BollyFanLuver - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz



They shouldn't, unless its their native tongue as is the case with Sonam.


What is native Tongue?

Sonam's mother tongue would be Punjabi and Sindhi.

She was born and raised up in Bombay, where Hindi is spoken wide. But...English is also used and spoken. And the state which the city is in will throw up protests here and there regarding Hindi's prominence over Marathi in the city.

So what is Sonam's native tongue?
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Posted: 11 years ago
Did I just read right?...Hindi is NOT the national language of India? Sorry I don't think that's correct.
Edited by Shaitan-Haiwan - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ILoveDrama


+1

Simply sums it up👍🏼


+1 more

Wanna make these my signature. Now Let's go!! leave this place.
Edited by DY.chakravarty - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

And its not just the question of "disrespect" towards our native tongues. With the growing propensity of English-medium schools and the overwhelming projection of English being "kewwwler" than indigenous languages in the popular media, the latter are in the danger of getting wiped off the face of the Earth. Already more than 600 languages are declared extinct.
Nobody's objecting to the use of English anywhere, we all converse in English over the Net in international forums like IF. But giving it precedence over your native tongue (unless you've been brought up abroad) sets a bad model to follow.



There may be a slice of population that thinks English is cooler.

Many native speakers prefer English not because English is cooler or their native tongue is not good enough, but simply because it is more convenient. Many native speakers who use English as a first language do still have fluency and pride in their native language or languages. Even abroad native language communities are vibrant and active.

Take a native language speaking child in Bombay. They go to English medium school. They have mandatory Hindi and Marathi. The native parents speak to their child in the native language but they simply cannot teach their children to read and write in their native language. Many native language speakers in Bombay even from my grandparents generation know only to speak their native language, not to read or write it. The numbers have increased each day.

English is not the only rival to the native language that is dying out. Hindi and state languages are cannibalizing on indigenous languages too. Maharashtra has aggressively pushed Marathi over native languages. The Thackeray era saw violence against people who refused to embrace Marathi with equity. Since Maharashtra was given reins for the Goa state board, Maharashtra eliminated Konkani education and replaced it with Marathi. Thackeray viewed Goa as an extension of Malwan and not culturally, linguistically or socially separate or distinct from Marathi. Maharashtra strongly influences Belgaum a border town in Karnataka which used to be Kannadiga a while back. To many Goan Konkanis and border Kannadigas - Marathi is the evil that is cannibalizing native language and causing it to die.

If we want to preserve native language in written form then, it is not English we need to attack. We need a different solution

- End mandatory Hindi and State language education

- Allow families to choose second and third language options

- Find ways to incorporate more native language options into curriculum because families don't have the time to formally educate their children to read and write

It is virtually impossible because the push back in the day to make Hindi a national language made states even more aggressive with their language and ultimately smaller native dialects and people of diaspora paid the price. English is not the villain really. English actually rose to prominence because of this linguistic conflict.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

Did I just read right?...Hindi is NOT the national language of India? Sorry I don't think that's correct.


India never had a national language as the states could not agree upon "one" national language. Hindi was chosen as the official language. In 1965 English and Hindi were both made official languages. States were allowed to use their own official language provided they used English and Hindi. As of 2010 all 22 languages were deemed official languages.

Hindi is the national language is the biggest myth.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani



What is native Tongue?

Sonam's mother tongue would be Punjabi and Sindhi.

She was born and raised up in Bombay, where Hindi is spoken wide. But...English is also used and spoken. And the state which the city is in will throw up protests here and there regarding Hindi's prominence over Marathi in the city.

So what is Sonam's native tongue?



Since she did not grow up in a Sindi/Punjabi environment, that bit can be excused.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

But why should one know to read and write Hindi? It is not the national language.



Its not our national language...but its our official language...employees in govt organisations are forced to write in hindi as per govt norms...

First language is something which one is comfortable in speaking and writing...it may or may not be ones native language...

It changes sometimes wrt time...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani


What is native Tongue?

Sonam's mother tongue would be Punjabi and Sindhi.

She was born and raised up in Bombay, where Hindi is spoken wide. But...English is also used and spoken. And the state which the city is in will throw up protests here and there regarding Hindi's prominence over Marathi in the city.

So what is Sonam's native tongue?


I would say, she is probably a multilingual person, having being sufficiently exposed to a few languages.
Mother & native tongue are similar terms but they come with a subtle difference. Per definition, native tongue is language of the country/area one hails from. Mother tongue is the language(s) one learns while growing up.

There are many sources, but lemme stick to one.😊 Wiki says:
"One can have two or more native languages, thus being a native bilingual or indeed multilingual. The order in which these languages are learned is not necessarily the order of proficiency. For instance, a French-speaking couple might have a daughter who learned French first, then English; but if she were to grow up in an English-speaking country, she would likely be most proficient in English."

It can be determined also:

  • Based on origin: the language(s) one learned first (the language(s) in which one has established the first long-lasting verbal contacts): Probably Punjabi/Sindhi
  • Based on internal identification: the language(s) one identifies with/as a speaker of: In her case English & any other Indian languages she is fluent in
  • Based on external identification: the language(s) one is identified with/as a speaker of, by others: Hindi, Punjabi/Sindhi?
  • Based on competence: the language(s) one knows best: English most definitely
  • Based on function: the language(s) one uses most: Again English & maybe other languages, depends on which one is spoken often...
She didnt say she is an english native speaker (that comes with a slight differenciation too), so there is nothing wrong with stating English as her first language;... doesnt mean that she denies the indian languages she grew up with... Idk why it is being perceived as such & as arrogance by some here on IF...😕



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