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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PigBenis

No its not overrated. Because no one other than the media has bragged about his star status. Neither his fans nor he himself has claimed himself as some box office buster or anything. It was always the media who made him look like some huge star with immense BO pull.



Exactly! Aamir Khan's films are not known for number crunching and bragging so how can the question of overrated even arise?😆 Quite ironic because 3I is apparently the highest grossing film, even then he's known for the quality of films rather than the revenue it generates.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I like the fact that hes not sticking to a certain formula to ensure hits. Plus i like his choice of movies .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: honey.b

I like the fact that hes not sticking to a certain formula to ensure hits. Plus i like his choice of movies .


He is applying 1 constant formula for his films from Ghajini's release, to Market the film in new way. It played a vital role in both Ghajini n 3 Idiots success. He tried it with Talaash also, somehow couldn't manage, like he wanted google 2 change logo as talaash for some days 2 promote, they refused, but he did with collaborating with windows ppl.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I just came on to say the same.

Aamir's movies were never known for box office results. His movies were and are always associated with quality. Like Billa mentioned, there is a trust Aamir has with the audience. He promises them a good film.

Sorry this topic, as you mentioned, is about box office results but when it comes to actors like Aamir, it's difficult to not talk about quality - since that was always what he was associated with and not box office results. It was only recently the media started terming him as one with the Midas touch or some BO king, but that doesn't mean that it is necessarily true. Like Dex mentioned, his movies (except for 3I and Ghajini - both breaking new barriers) rarely get talked about for its BO performance and more for the content and quality.

Therefore, no. Aamir is not overrated at the BO. His performance was always the same. The media may have started to term him some big money spinner for the past few years, but that doesn't make him overrated. From his entry till now, in general, he is not known about his BO performance and more about the quality of his movies.

That's what makes Aamir Khan, Aamir Khan.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun


****Lagaan was Aamir's 1st clean hit after Raja Hindustani (1996).



After this phase only Aamir changed himself drastically, stopped doing every film coming to him & got selective, from this point u can call Every Aamir film started associating with Quality from time 2 time.

One film which made biggest impact on his quality trademark or u can say perfectionist is "Taare Zameen pe", it was such a beautiful film which touched ppl's heart & by that moment, i haven't seen any Aamir film which ppl would have asked ke Achi hai ya nahi(haters might say diff).

And if u see TZP BO status, a Superhit, released on same day with WELCOME (BlockBuster), which also changed the concept ke 2 diff genre films can't work in plex + ss.

Lagaan was released with Gadar (Biggest Box Office SmashHit with Max. Footfall), still got huge success n Oscar nomination.

Aamir has given life to BOX OFFICE scenario by giving it a complete new dimension = 100 Cr film. He never aimed Ghajini 2 be 100 Cr film, he aimed at Beating SRK's RNBDJ at Box office, he himself was unaware that his effort would open new door for films 2 do busines with 100+ Cr. Earlier ppl were only worried about Hit or not, happy with superhit or Blockbuster tag, may be ATBB for some rare... 100 Cr gave new challenge & a new status for success bo films.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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- Talaash was never called flop before release. It was voted most awaited film of 2012 in several polls. It was expected to do very well and even trade analysts voted it among most awaited films (from trade POV also).

How is it Aamir Khan magic when an offbeat film with a younger star Ranbir also managed to cross 100 crore nett at box office? It was also a non holiday release, unconventional subject and less promoted film. Talaash at least had big banners like AKP and Excel coming together. Barfi did not even have that. Even Raajneeti managed 92 crore nett two years ago (Prakash Jha or Ranbir/Manoj Bajpai aren't bigger names than Aamir Khan!). Aamir's own TZP collected 130 cr+ worldwide 5 years ago despite clash with Welcome! (Story of dyslexic kid is more risky, offbeat and newer concept than a story of ghost avenging her death or person dealing with guilt). Just calculate what its collections would've been had it released in today's times!

Talaash hasn't done anything marvellous at box office (even if compared to Aamir's own previous different subject/non mainstream films).

- 3 Idiots is of course Aamir's film only but its success was also due to its subject, ensemble cast. It's also a Raju Hirani film - a man who's given superhit/BB with a finished actor like Sanjay Dutt too. Of course I agree previous film affects the reception of next film, but my point was about Aamir Khan's box office in overseas markets - throughout, not just around 3 Idiots.

The topic was about OVERALL box office performance both in India and overseas markets.

- You are AGAIN bringing quality in the debate! The topic is only about box office. Box office record over the career is what constitutes star power not quality! (If quality constituted star power then Rajnikanth would never be considered a star at all and even Amitabh Bachchan would've been dismissed for his 70s-80s record!)

- No film as producer has been flop. Well firstly he has done very very few films, secondly, he controls budget and nowadays with change in business dynamics films are said to recover cost and get saved from being declared flops through other revenues itself! This is why that rejected and panned Ra One was also not declared flop!

Even if footfalls of a film like Dhobi Ghat were less, it escaped outright flop tag due to other revenues and less budget.

- How does his relationship with media figure in all this? Accepted that this Midas Touch thing started after Ghajini and 3I but some sections used it to brand his entire career. That is fair enough?

100 crore trendsetter is what I acknowledged in first post. But 100 crore is redundant now. Other stars are giving 2-3 100 crore grossers a year - with Ranbir Kapoor managing to give 100 crore grosser even with an unconventional film like Barfi. Whereas the trendsetter's film (comeback after 3 years) is to end at around 90 at max (it's 80 as of now per BOI and 84 by Taran Adarsh).

Salman Khan may not have been media favorite either but his overall record - you see it for yourself. For that matter even Sunny Deol was never a media friendly guy or even did any marketing.

FYI, at his peak through 1970s and 1980s Amitabh Bachchan had also banned media. Media relations and overall record in career are different. They are correlated (moreso now due to media boom) but did not matter much till beginning of 2000s decade.

I did acknowledge huge openings of Mangal Pandey and Fanaa.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sorry to say but some people here are again veering towards quality/impact/acting whereas I have clearly mentioned that the discussion was just about box office. Not at all about quality or impact. Stuff like quality/impact/acting are entirely different from box office.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

Sorry to say but some people here are again veering towards quality/impact/acting whereas I have clearly mentioned that the discussion was just about box office. Not at all about quality or impact. Stuff like quality/impact/acting are entirely different from box office.


But one can't just talk about box office when it comes to an Aamir Khan film. I have mentioned this in my previous post, it's difficult to not talk about quality because that is what Aamir is associated with - not box office performance, but of course, that is looked at too.

Referring to your original question where if you asked if his BO record is overrated, no, it is not overrated because his movies aren't only talked about of box office results. Of course, if they manage huge numbers then that is also talked about but for an Aamir Khan film, it's the content that matters and not the box office performance.

I mean, that's all I can say. 😕 Like Dex said, he was never after numbers and even the media never dissected him and observed him by looking at numbers. It was the quality. Since you mentioned you're looking at Aamir's overall performance, then his overall performance shows that he is an actor whose movies are associated with quality. It was only after Ghajini that this number game started for him.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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1 major drawback in Aamir's career wise is that, before Lagaan, we can't call all his films to be quality wise, coz he was doing all kind of genre films, it was after Lagaan, he did 5 films (DCH, RDB, TZP, Dhobi Ghat, 3 Idiots), produced 2 films Peepli live & Delhi Belly, which made him brand for quality, perfectionist, rest 2 fanaa & ghajini are usual rom/com & masala entertainer.

Quantity of films in 11 years for quality wise is less. His fans n people expect more n more.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Radhe

Genre? Please also compare Aamir Khan's star status, Talaash's size of release! PST, Kahani had no big banners, no recognisable male superstar and their size of release is very small compared to Talaash. It released with 2800 prints, didn't it?

Nobody expects Talaash to beat 3 Idiots. But then its collection at 80-90 crore is also not great is it?

I gave example of TZP. It was more risky and at that time Aamir didn't even have hype of Midas man attached to him. If it released today it would have made more money than what Talaash will end up making.

TZP was among top 5 hits of 2007, Talaash will end up only in top 10. TZP was blockbuster/superhit and Talaash will only end up as hit at max. Talaash definitely was expected to have better box office prospects given Aamir has pulled off better success with more unconventional subjects in past.

- Tweets/Spoilers were there for Kahani also. It was superhit at less budget, less prints, worse release period and much less face-value (in terms of banner, stars, director) than Talaash.

Tweets affect box office of a film? How many Indians have internet? And how many use Twitter? Even if tweets argument is taken, then Ra One was ripped apart on Twitter still it managed to somehow scrape past 100 crore. It's not US, and I do not believe tweets harm box office of a Bollywood film - AS YET.

- I had pointed about Aamir's pull in overseas markets in general not just in relation to Talaash. I discussed stuff from the time he made his debut!

- As a producer yes he has 100% success record. But the thread was about his record as ACTOR not producer.

- I am not comparing it with Ranbir's film only. I said if an offbeat Ranbir film can do this much then why not an Aamir Khan film? Aamir is more established than Ranbir! So is Talaash's inability to reach 100 crore, not disappointing? I did compare it repeatedly to his own 5 year old TZP also!

- Many of his fans and some sections of media call him Midas touch guy. And certain fans behave as if he was always bigger or they try to boast of only his Ghajini/3I success to compare him favourably over other actors. One does see fans ignoring that he debuted in 1988 and boasting about his records from just 2001 or 2008. Is it fair enough to ignore one whole decade while judging an entire career?

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