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Posted: 13 years ago
Of course she can be blamed by consumers. If actresses can be praised for their movie choices, they can also be blamed for it. No one forced her to sign that many movies at once. Quantity < Quality. As a grown woman (with 12 years in the industry + watching big sis on the set) she should know her own limits. If I were to hire someone to work for me, I don't care if they have 2 other jobs at the side, I expect 100% while working for me. That is their deliberate choice to have other jobs. Sure enough we the movie-going audience expect the same out of our actresses for the movies we watch. And I know Desigal has said many times that Kareena hasn't exactly hailed her movies from the beginning but try to see it from my perspective. I, needless to say am not a huge fan of Kareena (neither of any actress actually) I don't take what they say as the bible, paying attention to every technicality. The jist of what I got from Kareena's promoting her movies is that she is praising it one way or another. She never even hinted at any issues she had with it. She witheld it completely. That is fine, it's bad business sense to do so. However, how can she not think twice before admitting all the issues she has with her "flowerpot' roles? If she had said what she is saying now during time of promotions, I would have personally crowned her the gutsiest actress of all time. But no, she is saying these after the fact which really doesn't make a difference project her as a hypocrite. She stated she has no problems doing those roles again, let me say once again, that's not really helping anything.

Frankly I don't see what Kareena has to be scared about either. Is she scared of getting flops? Why? She is the daughter of the Kapoors, she is (I'm assuming) extremely wealthy, connected, a top actress, why is she afraid? One of her female cousin runs a theatre and seems completely happy doing it. It took someone who is not connected to the film fraternity to make some changes in the industry. I don't see Vidya saying half the things Kareena would say had she reached the same position in terms of acclaim. I find it highly counter-productive of Kareena to say the things she said all the while hoping to ride on Vidya's tide of strong female character now that she saw there's an audience for it. All Kareena is doing is observing the trend and trying to cash in on it, when in theory she should be the one creating them. If she is going on doing what she wants changed, I think it automatically takes away her right to bitch about it.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: desigal90

She did NOT degrade the Khans.

She did NOT say there's anything wrong with the audience mindset per say


Yet, she did. I heard with my own ears in the interview. 😉
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: smarie

sorry but i never negated any of those points...so i dunt get wht the argument is abt...
I negated the fact tht u said she dissed the 100 crore films which she clearly didnt...she still says shes gonna keep doing them...its none of my business if u find her not genuine, or unremarkable or whtever...im just trying to negate the facts...not the opinions...she didnt diss the 100 crore films and she definately didnt cry wolf because she clearly said she will continue to do the potboilers because tht is wht people want...
kareena said it was necessary for actresses to do those films..so the previous point u said abt anushka, katrina etc's 100 crore films being "belittled" by her dosent hold...
thts all im arguing...im not here to change wht u think of her as an actress, or her speaking abilities...



this would be the time to say that not all of those points were addressed to you. I was speaking out generally. I'm not saying you're trying to change my perception, at the end of the day mine and yours will stay intact.

What I wanted to convey is that Kareena is saying all of this AFTER the releases of her films. Even if she had not blatanly said she wasn't proud of her films, I feel there's definitely an undertone that she is disatisfied with them. I'm amazed at how she can even change her outlook in such a short time.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: PandorasBox



Frankly I don't see what Kareena has to be scared about either. Is she scared of getting flops? Why? She is the daughter of the Kapoors, she is (I'm assuming) extremely wealthy, connected, a top actress, why is she afraid? One of her female cousin runs a theatre and seems completely happy doing it. It took someone who is not connected to the film fraternity to make some changes in the industry. I don't see Vidya saying half the things Kareena would say had she reached the same position in terms of acclaim. I find it highly counter-productive of Kareena to say the things she said all the while hoping to ride on Vidya's tide of strong female character now that she saw there's an audience for it. All Kareena is doing is observing the trend and trying to cash in on it, when in theory she should be the one creating them. If she is going on doing what she wants changed, I think it automatically takes away her right to bitch about it.

I dont think she's bitching about anything. She's simply stating facts.
PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO.
Yes she's scared of getting flops.
When Kareean did do those kidna films, critically acclaimed roles, she got NOWHERE.
People dont remember Chameli, Dev, Yuva, Omkara.
It took a commercial film like JWM to get her where she is today. A HIT. A film with song and dance.
DOnt compare her to Vidya's rise. VIdya had nothing to lose. Vidya ddnt ahve the Khans coming ot her wiht big production houses, nor did she have a choice.
Vidya went purely on the basis of script.

Kareena's been through a phase when seh was called the box office jinx, the flop queen, so YES, she wants hits.
She's been through a phase when a Katrina Kaif came in, did absolutely nothing in the first few hit films and got hailed as queen bee alognside her.
What is hse supposed to think?
YES she wants fame. She's on top, and she wants to REMAIN on top.
Call her greedy, but she wants to be in the best position so producers keep coming to her.
Another good example:
2 years ago, it was Priyanka, Kareena and Katrina on top 3. Priyanka had Dostana, Fashion, and Kaminey. Suddenly, it was she vs, Kareena vs Kat.
A few flops later, Priyanka disappears. She does give hits with Agneepatp adn Don, but not as consistantly as Katrina, Kareena, and now Vidya.
HITS matter. Anyoen who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
ANd that is why she gives PROPS to VIDYA BALAN - Watch the video, she says it TWICE that Vidya's the braevest actress, and props to her, because I couldnt have done that.
She STILL says that she will sign a Salman starer if she's gonna take a risk. Just so she has somethign to fall back on. Becuase she says, though we are improveing, we're still not there yet. And that the audience mindset has to change.
And then the industry can change.
Edited by desigal90 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: PandorasBox

Of course she can be blamed by consumers. If actresses can be praised for their movie choices, they can also be blamed for it. No one forced her to sign that many movies at once. Quantity < Quality. As a grown woman (with 12 years in the industry + watching big sis on the set) she should know her own limits. If I were to hire someone to work for me, I don't care if they have 2 other jobs at the side, I expect 100% while working for me. That is their deliberate choice to have other jobs. Sure enough we the movie-going audience expect the same out of our actresses for the movies we watch. And I know Desigal has said many times that Kareena hasn't exactly hailed her movies from the beginning but try to see it from my perspective. I, needless to say am not a huge fan of Kareena (neither of any actress actually) I don't take what they say as the bible, paying attention to every technicality. The jist of what I got from Kareena's promoting her movies is that she is praising it one way or another. She never even hinted at any issues she had with it. She witheld it completely. That is fine, it's bad business sense to do so. However, how can she not think twice before admitting all the issues she has with her "flowerpot' roles? If she had said what she is saying now during time of promotions, I would have personally crowned her the gutsiest actress of all time. But no, she is saying these after the fact which really doesn't make a difference project her as a hypocrite. She stated she has no problems doing those roles again, let me say once again, that's not really helping anything.

Frankly I don't see what Kareena has to be scared about either. Is she scared of getting flops? Why? She is the daughter of the Kapoors, she is (I'm assuming) extremely wealthy, connected, a top actress, why is she afraid? One of her female cousin runs a theatre and seems completely happy doing it. It took someone who is not connected to the film fraternity to make some changes in the industry. I don't see Vidya saying half the things Kareena would say had she reached the same position in terms of acclaim. I find it highly counter-productive of Kareena to say the things she said all the while hoping to ride on Vidya's tide of strong female character now that she saw there's an audience for it. All Kareena is doing is observing the trend and trying to cash in on it, when in theory she should be the one creating them. If she is going on doing what she wants changed, I think it automatically takes away her right to bitch about it.

well, see even if actors WANT to say things like tht during the promotions, they are not allowed to do so by the producers...they sign a contract which tells them to say gr8 things abt the movie...so they have no option but to praise it to the skies...she cant really "promote" her film saying "I m just playing a flowerpot..i have nothing much to do...its not the best script but its people pleasing so plz go watch it" ...she can't hint at any issues shes had or else the production houses will sue her for tht...
even then, shes not saying she hates them or anything...shes just saying they are not the best films, but hey, if thts wht people want, then i dunt mind being part of it...
obviously we have different perspectives to things..so u keep ur views and i'll keep mine...i dunt think therz a point in stretching the argument further...i respect ur views..
Edited by smarie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
DISCLAIMER:
The quotes are summarized by ME. I run KareenaK.net.
Please dont hack them to pieces and take them one by one. They are neither in order nor word for word, but they are a summary of what she said to the best of my memory.
I have provided the link of the video where you can watch the discussion take place life and see how she answered those questions and in what context.
ANd here I thought I did a good job of summarizing her debate and poitns, but peopel are taking my summary too literally and missing the point of the bigger picture.
She didnt spontaneously say those things.
Some reporter woudl ask her something, and that would start a discussion. THESE ARE QUOTES from that discussion.
Its not like she got up on stage and literlaly just gave a speech about how she hates her films. 😆
Edited by desigal90 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
Totally random, who was the dumbass male reporter who asked her when she's gonna retire coz "young peopel like him" wanna see "fresh faces"? 🤢
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Posted: 13 years ago
Kareena forced her way into Ra.1 basically. SRK did not go to her. She came to him...and pretty much told him she's doing the film, she won't do action scenes, but she's doing the film.
There is an interview about this. I remember smarie and I joking about how the conversation between SRK and her must have gone.
So now that she says something like "I'm tired of hiding behind Salman and SRK" it sounds hypocritical. Nobody forced her to do those films. SHE chose them. SHE wanted them. Even if she did not outrightly say it like Abhay Deol did with Aisha, there IS a hint of dissatisfaction with those movies..perhaps because she never expected the kind of criticism she got for them.
The difference between BG and Ra1 though is that..Kareena did not make false pretences about her role in Ra1. It was glaringly obvious from her interviews that she has nothing to do..while she did praise her role in BG to the skies. The irony here is that her role in Ra1 actually had more shades than the one in BG...and was stronger than the one in BG.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Oh poor Kareena! Her struggles are truly heart-breaking. 🤪 Sorry Desigal, like I've mentioned before, it's hard for me to emphasize with any actress who pull out such gimmick. All actresses (and actors) have had their fair share of struggles. As an observer I would say Kareena had fewer obstacles that most (I could be wrong, but I don't keep a track of her life) The difference is we don't have an advocate for each and every actresses on IF. Those that overcome those obstacles constantly are to be admired. Comparatively I can say Kareena could do so much better given the oppurtunities she has and been a fearless (gutsy) leader in the movement for changes she wants in this world. Anyways, as Smarie needlessly said, we will all intepret things within out own perception.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Ok for one moment, lets think:

Pre Vidya Balan: A tiem period where your only as good as your last hit. Katrina Kaif gives hits after hits, and shes put on the same pedestal as you. She cant act half as well, but everyoen loves her. Who cares about acting, to hell with it, I want some of them hits as well.
Enter the 3 Khans, fresh from teh biggest success of their careers. Lets get real, if only begging the KHans got you films, well...haha, I"m sure other actresses can beg as well. Keep in midn Kareena was already flying at the top when Shahrukh came to her. They are family friends, so ofcourse things just worked out.
She thinks, these three films are guaranteed hits, and will ensure I remain on top. The game is about who can give the most hits, then ok, let me ensure three right here, and on th eside I"ll do Saif's film Agent Vinod, Imrans' film Ek Main Aur Ekk Tu, and Golmaal 3.
Fast Forward to post Ra.One Bodyguard release:
She gets flak for not utilizing her talent and why she's just doing these commercial potboilers that arent even teh best films. SHe gets defensive and says, "how come no one questions other actresses for doing the same?" and then hit with obvious answer, coz people expect more.
So what is WRONG with an artiste retrospecting about their decisions and thinking, maybe that wasnt the best film, and really, what did I get out of it? Maybe this year, I should do something more substantial.
Honestly, I respect her MORE for being critical of her desisions rather than living in a bubble of I did the right thing.
Like I said, everyone will have their own interpretation.
You're more than welcome to keep your own.
Edited by desigal90 - 13 years ago

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