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Originally posted by: YehRashiThi

this is is not acceptable in any world!!

@bold- ok let's consider it was a game..he couldn't wait for someone to finish their shower?? he has stooped so low like Priyanka jagga and swami om... if his action is justified then their action is justified as well...after all they did it for the game

Come on, Swami Om actually threw pee. That is no way comparable to Pratik.

Originally posted by: spicysagar

Pratik wanted to make this a big issue.

He went in wrong tangent making statement like -

- You want to make allegations on me.

- So what? what do you want to do?

- Yes my intentions were wrong. Do what you want to do.

- I don’t care who was inside.

- His take on his sister’s question.

Nobody is even making a big issue.

Pratik’s attitude was the big issue.

Pratik dragged this himself and made a big deal.

exactly nobody made an issue out of it pratik dragged it

Originally posted by: NamelessKing

Come on, Swami Om actually threw pee. That is no way comparable to Pratik.

But you simply stated Pratik did it for the sake of the game. Swami Om did it for the game as well....if there is a boundary between decency and gaming for swami om's action then why not in Pratik's case?

Originally posted by: YehRashiThi

But you simply stated Pratik did it for the sake of the game. Swami Om did it for the game as well....if there is a boundary between decency and gaming for swami om's action then why not in Pratik's case?

I guess you could say throwing pee is actually a sort of physical violence as well eg. Spitting for instance. I'm sure it will be treated as a criminal offence if it happens outside the house. Pratik's case is no where near clear cut. There is a lot of room for argument in his case.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

My personal opinion on Pratik trying to open the bathroom door when Vidhi was taking a shower is that....it was not really a big deal and people are making a mountain out of molehill of it.

People think it's cool to be a pseudofeminist or a white knight. But to everyone creating a hoopla over Pratik's actions, why are you all forgetting that Vidhi locked the door from inside? If the door is locked from inside, what the hell can Pratik do?

The white knight Karan Kundra is saying Pratik can't do this thing in the outside world. Well, newsflash for him...this is not the outside world! This is Bigg Boss house where if Pratik even had the intention to sexually harass Vidhi, guards would've straightaway stopped him.

Even Vidhi knew that Pratik didn't have any wrong intention and didn't make a big deal out of it. She told Pratik she didn't like it and he apologized. The matter should've closed then and there. But how can white knights like Karan Kundra and Vishal Kotiyan leave this opportunity to get footage and act woke?

Salman is saying in WKV that Vidhi could've ruined her image if she wanted to. Toh kya karein Pratik? Vidhi ki aarti utaare aur thankyou bolein for not putting a false allegation on him?

Pratik was asked why he didn't tell Vidhi (when she was taking shower) what he's exactly doing. Well why Vidhi didn't ask what Pratik and Nishant were doing? I don't know whether she did or not because I don't watch live feed but Vidhi had this idea that what Pratik is doing. Toh baat ka batangad kyun?

This faltu ki wokeness aur har jagah maa behen ko ghusana to appear woke is irritating. Glad that Pratik didn't fell for it and straightaway answered that his opinion won't change. Overactor Vishal was trying to twist his words to make Pratik look like a monster. Even Salman would use the same words.

Well what Pratik said was that if someone is in his shoes, and does something to her mom or sister what he did to Vidhi, then he won't have a problem. Not that he won't have a problem if someone breaks in the bathroom door where her sister is taking shower to molest her. Context is important!

Oh boy, let's go. Hi, I respect your opinion because I feel an opinion can never be right or wrong simply because its just a viewpoint and me telling you, that your opinion is wrong for viewing something differently from me, would make me wrong.

Having said that, I'd like to disagree with a few points you've raised here.

1. I believe that Prateek removing the latch of the washroom door isn't wrong, provided it doesn't count as destruction of BB's property. However if it does count as destroying the house's property then he is at fault for that, simply because he can't keep destroying stuff as per his whims and fancies when it is infact others who pay the price of his actions. He got 13 people nominated for breaking the glass pane before, albeit it was in anger and wasn't a thought out decision so I can give him the pass for not having intentionally done that but this time, he was in command of his emotions and did so purposefully. Had BB taken cognizance of this and made the others pay for his crimes, what would be his justification when he so claims that he was deeply sorry about getting everyone nominated?

2. The issue here isn't whether removing the lock is right or wrong. It is also not if his intentions were pure or impure. It is simply his TIMING. Doing what he did, when a person is taking a shower, is WRONG. It doesn't matter if the bathroom was locked from the inside, it doesn't matter how many locks were on the inside securing it, what matters is the stress and fear the person inside faced when they heard the locks being tampered with. Vidhi was inside, in a state of total nakedness, probably petrified envisioning all the scenarios wherein something goes wrong with the door and everything goes south. It is this fear that Prateek needs to apologise for. Nothing he says can absolve him from apologising for making her feel unsafe as a result of his actions. Vidhi isn't wrong in expecting an apology from him and not leaving the matter be. Intentions matter but not every action can be judged soley based on intentions. Somethings are plain wrong and this is one of those things.

3. I don't think people are creating a ruckus over Prateek simply removing the lock. The whole issue boiled over because Prateek refuses to accept his unfortunate timing and apologise for the surge of anxiety he put Vidhi through. To add to that, he was trying to pull a fast one and even tried to paint himself as the victim in this whole scenario. This is precisely why people are mad at him, he never seems to think he's at fault, for anything. No person can be right all the time and accepting that doesn't make you any less of a person.

4. No one was trying to malign his character, not even Vidhi who made it clear on numerous occasions that she didn't doubt his intentions for having done what he did neither did she once paint him in the wrong light or make him out to be a pervert. She was very clear in wanting an apology for having removed the lock whilst she was showering. It was Prateek himself, who said Vidhi was questioning his character and brought that whole angle into the conversation. Not one soul in the house is accusing him of having been motivated by impure thoughts while removing the latch. It is as clear as day what he was trying to do by dragging that topic in, he was trying to gain the audience's sympathies because he knows that people always root for the underdog and his best bet now is to paint himself as being ganged up on.

5. Like Salman said, had Vidhi wanted, she could have dragged his name through the mud and ruined him for all he's got but she didn't. She didn't bring up the issue of him doing what he did while she was showering when he was telling the others about it at first, all she said was it was destruction of BB's property. She waited to have a conversation with him first. She could have spinned the story in a slightly different way and Prateek would have been in serious trouble. I don't believe he should worship he for that but he certainly should be grateful that she didn't do anything that maligns his name, out of spite. People have done far more for far less in this house.

6. Vidhi allegedly saw Prateek and Nishant mess with the lock before she entered the loo to shower. Even if this is true, I don't believe you can fault her for thinking he would stop once she's inside the room, using it. Because no person in their right mind would do what he did while another is using the loo. Simply because she saw them messing with the locks prior to her entering the bathroom doesn't exonerate Prateek and Nishant. Also, people respond to trauma differently. No two people's response to the same traumatic situation, need be the same. Just because you and I would have raised our voices asking the other person to back down doesn't mean Vidhi is in the wrong for not responding in a certain way. We cannot judge her for how she deals with stressful situations.

7. This whole issue blew out of proportion because Prateek couldn't apologise for his ill timing. No one was asking for an apology for his actions, only his timing. Prateek needs to realise that what he did isn't wrong, what's wrong is when he did it. A simple "I'm sorry for having made you feel unsafe Vidhi but I stand by my decision of having removed the latch" would have sufficed. Prateek's exaggeration of victimhood and his diffusion of responsibility is what landed him in trouble. He got himself here, no one else did. His initial apology to Vidhi was nothing short of mockery and I refuse to see it otherwise, his body language and words clearly indicated his stance on this whole debacle when he was initially confronted by Vidhi. An apology needs to be genuine, and his was far from it and that is exactly why this issue has stretched out. He can't fault anyone else but him for it.

8. Prateek saying he'd be okay with this happening to his mom or sister because he knows the other person's intentions would be pure like his is exactly what is wrong with his attitude. This shows that he can't see the trauma that is caused to Vidhi because of his actions, he simply sees it as nothing wrong happening to Vidhi and the door staying intact. What about the psychological effects of this incident? Everytime from now, when using the loo she'll carry this fear with her. That is what Vishal was trying to make him understand but like always, when it comes to Prateek, there's only his way of thinking, classic egocentric behaviour. I don't know why the man thinks that he can do no wrong and that the whole house is against him and he's being cornered. When 13 people are telling you that you were in the wrong for something, the least you can do is do some self introspection and see if there's any truth to it or not.

Originally posted by: CobraKai1972

Oh boy, let's go. Hi, I respect your opinion because I feel an opinion can never be right or wrong simply because its just a viewpoint and me telling you, that your opinion is wrong for viewing something differently from me, would make me wrong.

Having said that, I'd like to disagree with a few points you've raised here.

1. I believe that Prateek removing the latch of the washroom door isn't wrong, provided it doesn't count as destruction of BB's property. However if it does count as destroying the house's property then he is at fault for that, simply because he can't keep destroying stuff as per his whims and fancies when it is infact others who pay the price of his actions. He got 13 people nominated for breaking the glass pane before, albeit it was in anger and wasn't a thought out decision so I can give him the pass for not having intentionally done that but this time, he was in command of his emotions and did so purposefully. Had BB taken cognizance of this and made the others pay for his crimes, what would be his justification when he so claims that he was deeply sorry about getting everyone nominated?

2. The issue here isn't whether removing the lock is right or wrong. It is also not if his intentions were pure or impure. It is simply his TIMING. Doing what he did, when a person is taking a shower, is WRONG. It doesn't matter if the bathroom was locked from the inside, it doesn't matter how many locks were on the inside securing it, what matters is the stress and fear the person inside faced when they heard the locks being tampered with. Vidhi was inside, in a state of total nakedness, probably petrified envisioning all the scenarios wherein something goes wrong with the door and everything goes south. It is this fear that Prateek needs to apologise for. Nothing he says can absolve him from apologising for making her feel unsafe as a result of his actions. Vidhi isn't wrong in expecting an apology from him and not leaving the matter be. Intentions matter but not every action can be judged soley based on intentions. Somethings are plain wrong and this is one of those things.

3. I don't think people are creating a ruckus over Prateek simply removing the lock. The whole issue boiled over because Prateek refuses to accept his unfortunate timing and apologise for the surge of anxiety he put Vidhi through. To add to that, he was trying to pull a fast one and even tried to paint himself as the victim in this whole scenario. This is precisely why people are mad at him, he never seems to think he's at fault, for anything. No person can be right all the time and accepting that doesn't make you any less of a person.

4. No one was trying to malign his character, not even Vidhi who made it clear on numerous occasions that she didn't doubt his intentions for having done what he did neither did she once paint him in the wrong light or make him out to be a pervert. She was very clear in wanting an apology for having removed the lock whilst she was showering. It was Prateek himself, who said Vidhi was questioning his character and brought that whole angle into the conversation. Not one soul in the house is accusing him of having been motivated by impure thoughts while removing the latch. It is as clear as day what he waw trying to do by dragging that topic in, he was trying to gain the audience's sympathies because he knows that people always root for the underdog and his best bet now is to paint himself as being ganged up on.

5. Like Salman said, had Vidhi wanted, she could have dragged his name through the mud and ruined him for all he's got but she didn't. She didn't bring up the issue of him doing what he did while she was showering when he was telling the others about it at first, all she said was it was destruction of BB's property. She waited to have a conversation with him first. She could have spinned the story in a slightly different way and Prateek would have been in serious trouble. I don't believe he should worship he for that but he suddenly should be grateful that she didn't do anything that maligns his name, out of spite. People have done far more for far less in this house.

6. Vidhi allegedly saw Prateek and Nishant mess with the lock before she entered the loo to shower. Even if this is true, I don't believe you can fault her for thinking he would stop once she's inside the room, using it. Because no person in their right mind would do what he did while another is using the loo. Simply because she saw them messing with the locks prior to her entering the bathroom doesn't exonerate Prateek and Nishant. Also, people respond to trauma differently. No two people's response to the same traumatic situation, need be the same. Just because you and I would have raised our voices asking the other person to back down doesn't mean Vidhi is in the wrong for not responding in a certain way. We cannot judge her for how she deals with stressful situations.

7. This whole issue blew out of proportion because Prateek couldn't apologise for his ill timing. No one was asking for an apology for his actions, only his timing. Prateek needs to realise that what he did isn't wrong, what's wrong is when he did it. A simple "I'm sorry for having made you feel unsafe Vidhi but I stand by my decision of having removed the latch" would have sufficed. Prateek's exaggeration of victimhood and his diffusion of responsibility is what landed him in trouble. He got himself here, no one else did. His initial apology to Vidhi was nothing short of mockery and I refuse to see it otherwise, his body language and words clearly indicated his stance on this whole debacle when he was initially confronted by Vidhi. An apology needs to be genuine, and his was far from it and that is exactly why this issue has stretched out. He can't fault anyone else but him for it.

8. Prateek saying he'd be okay with this happening to his mom or sister because he knows the other person's intentions would be pure like his is exactly what is wrong with his attitude. This shows that he can't see the trauma that is caused to Vidhi because of his actions, he simply sees it as nothing wrong happening to Vidhi and the door staying intact. What about the psychological effects of this incident? Everytime from now, when using the loo she'll carry this fear with her. That is what Vishal was trying to make him understand but like always, when it comes to Prateek, there's only his way of thinking, classic egocentric behaviour. I don't know why the man thinks that he can do no wrong and that the whole house is against him and he's being cornered. When 13 people are telling you that you were in the wrong for something, the least you can do is do some self introspection and see if there's any truth to it or not.

I really couldn't have formulated a better response! Well said - going to add my two cents.

The reason there is so much discourse and people even siding with this person is because the person is Pratik. A lot of people have seen him on different platforms and know that he had no ill intentions but Vidhi knows that too. In fact everyone in the house knows that!

It is a scary feeling, entering a house with stranger and then having the lock tampered with while you are so vulnerable. Pratik is lucky that his intentions were never questioned. Had it been any other person, who the public is not familiar with the story would have been different.

Yet Vidhi's point is absolutely right. Pratik can't hide behind good intentions when his actions are so problematic. He needs to understand what he did was wrong instead of showing attitude. Had he understood the gravity of the situation when Vidhi approached him calmly it might have not escalated.

What Pratik did was wrong and it is sad to see so many women defending him and his actions. When we come to things like this I believe opinions can be wrong. The most I can ask of people is to sit back and think of yourself in such a position. If someone came to your house and broke the lock of your door while you were naked inside. It is scary.

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Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

My personal opinion on Pratik trying to open the bathroom door when Vidhi was taking a shower is that....it was not really a big deal and people are making a mountain out of molehill of it.

"Trying to open the bathroom door when Vidhi was taking a shower" ... "was not really a big deal"

I know you get into your argument later, but general tip - the phrase taken exactly like that IS A BIG DEAL.

People think it's cool to be a pseudofeminist or a white knight. But to everyone creating a hoopla over Pratik's actions, why are you all forgetting that Vidhi locked the door from inside? If the door is locked from inside, what the hell can Pratik do?

Good f*cking lord. What difference does it make if Vidhi locked the door from the inside or didn't even lock the door at all. This was an invasion of privacy. She was taking a shower and Pratik chose this time to attempt breaking the outer bathroom lock. It doesn't matter if she could shoot lasers from her eyes and destroy Pratik if he managed to open the door.

The white knight Karan Kundra is saying Pratik can't do this thing in the outside world. Well, newsflash for him...this is not the outside world! This is Bigg Boss house where if Pratik even had the intention to sexually harass Vidhi, guards would've straightaway stopped him.

I'm not a BB watcher, but I believe some guy sexually assaulted a girl at night while in the Bigg Boss house a few seasons back. Also, have Bigg Boss guards entered the show before?

Even Vidhi knew that Pratik didn't have any wrong intention and didn't make a big deal out of it. She told Pratik she didn't like it and he apologized. The matter should've closed then and there. But how can white knights like Karan Kundra and Vishal Kotiyan leave this opportunity to get footage and act woke?
Yep. Apologizes like a smug a$$hole and people actually take that to be an apology. Have you ever apologized to someone or had someone genuinely apologize to you? There's a huge difference between a genuine apology and Pratik's apology.

Salman is saying in WKV that Vidhi could've ruined her image if she wanted to. Toh kya karein Pratik? Vidhi ki aarti utaare aur thankyou bolein for not putting a false allegation on him?
Hasn't happened yet. It's only a promo. Let's wait until the actual episode instead of alleging Sallu said something in the context you are inferring.

Pratik was asked why he didn't tell Vidhi (when she was taking shower) what he's exactly doing. Well why Vidhi didn't ask what Pratik and Nishant were doing? I don't know whether she did or not because I don't watch live feed but Vidhi had this idea that what Pratik is doing. Toh baat ka batangad kyun?

🤣🤣🤣 Chal next time someone tries to open my bathroom door, I will casually be like "excuse me saar or behnji. May I please ask what is the reason for you trying to open my bathroom door?"

Lodu logic yaar.

This faltu ki wokeness aur har jagah maa behen ko ghusana to appear woke is irritating. Glad that Pratik didn't fell for it and straightaway answered that his opinion won't change. Overactor Vishal was trying to twist his words to make Pratik look like a monster. Even Salman would use the same words.

Vishal's logic was stupid - straight up. But still - treat others the same way you treat your family. If you don't hesitate to break a lock while your mother or sister is showering, that's pretty farked up.

Well what Pratik said was that if someone is in his shoes, and does something to her mom or sister what he did to Vidhi, then he won't have a problem. Not that he won't have a problem if someone breaks in the bathroom door where her sister is taking shower to molest her. Context is important!

There are two usual cases where people try to break into bathrooms. (1) Emergency - they are trying to help the person inside the bathroom. That's okay. (2) Sexual assault - that's not okay.

Also, this is Pratik. He has a short temper, he can't tolerate anyone talking shit to his mom. You're telling me that you believe him? LMAO.

There is only one scenario where Pratik would not react - that's if he was in on someone breaking the lock on the bathroom while his mother or sister were showering. I don't think Pratik is the type of person to go along with that, even if it was a prank. That just sounds like a boundary line for him.

The other scenarios would be where Pratik is the third person observing the situation. He would see a person approaching the bathroom where mom/sister is showing and trying to break the lock. You're telling me that you believe Pratik wouldn't have a problem with that because there is NO WAY he would be able to guess the intention of the person.

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Originally posted by: NamelessKing

I guess you could say throwing pee is actually a sort of physical violence as well eg. Spitting for instance. I'm sure it will be treated as a criminal offence if it happens outside the house. Pratik's case is no where near clear cut. There is a lot of room for argument in his case.

You're contradicting your own statement. First, you stated why people are comparing his actions to the outside world, given that it differs from bb. Now you're claiming that if Swami Om did this outside, it would be treated as a criminal offence! if Pratik did this outside, people would beat him up black and blue. Both of them crossed their line in the name of game...

Originally posted by: lovereading14

I really couldn't have formulated a better response! Well said - going to add my two cents.

The reason there is so much discourse and people even siding with this person is because the person is Pratik. A lot of people have seen him on different platforms and know that he had no ill intentions but Vidhi knows that too. In fact everyone in the house knows that!

It is a scary feeling, entering a house with stranger and then having the lock tampered with while you are so vulnerable. Pratik is lucky that his intentions were never questioned. Had it been any other person, who the public is not familiar with the story would have been different.

Yet Vidhi's point is absolutely right. Pratik can't hide behind good intentions when his actions are so problematic. He needs to understand what he did was wrong instead of showing attitude. Had he understood the gravity of the situation when Vidhi approached him calmly it might have not escalated.

What Pratik did was wrong and it is sad to see so many women defending him and his actions. When we come to things like this I believe opinions can be wrong. The most I can ask of people is to sit back and think of yourself in such a position. If someone came to your house and broke the lock of your door while you were naked inside. It is scary.

Thank you for your solidarity, it is always a pleasure to see a like minded soul.

I also have a bone to pick with fandoms, comprising of people who think that their idol can do no wrong and think that it's their moral responsibility to defend that person, no matter how grave their actions are. I believe this fan culture is precisely the reason why we're having this conversation.

Like you've said, Pratik should thank his lucky stars that Vidhi and the rest of the contestants never raised a question as regards to his intention being malicious. Had they done that, it would have resulted in so much negativity for him in the house and in outside world. He is fortunate enough to have a following as a result of having done a couple of reality shows but he is still new to a major chunk of Bigg Boss viewers and allegations of this sort can dent your image in the eyes of the general public.

I admire the way Vidhi handled this whole ordeal. She didn't cry or make a fuss. She was strong, calm ane respectful. She beautifully called Pratik out on always hiding behing the shield of claiming his intentions weren't impure. You can't use your intentions as a cloak to hide the fact that what you did was wrong.

Had Pratik just apologised genuinely, it would have ended everything. Just three simple words said with sincerity could have waned the tempers down. He could have even won the people's love for having a heart big enough to realise his wrongs and right them by apologising. He plunged all these opportunities down the toilet.

People, I believe, feel the need to defend him because of fan culture and this is one of those situations which precisely details why fan culture can be dangerous. One shouldn't blindly idolise someone to such an extent where even their wrongs seem right to them.