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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi I had told in the first line itself I also feel she deliberately caused the accident. But was that unexpected. In season 2 itself there were multiple hints, if it is between Arjun and baby Maya might chose Arjun. I had put that in the analysis also that Maya is risk to her child. She herself told, Arjun save the child from me. If you remember I had put also Arjun cannot save, only Maya can save her baby.

And it is proven right. Arjun couldnt save the baby. Her trust on Arjun to protect the child from her madness failed. Her madness took the baby. Her madness won. Arjun's love lost. In a way yesterday episode love was lost.

There were many points in the sequence where one action from any of the characters could have protected the child/baby.

See actually in the yesterday episode though VM will be blamed the most, I keep her least responsible of everyone for what happened. As a mother to great extend her emotions were right, unlike her coming and taking Arjun from mandap. Only thing she could have done was show some empathy to the baby thinking it is Arjun's baby.

But the major culprits is Arjun's decision to go with Saanjh, Maya's madness and then Saanjh screaming over the phone Aunty Maya tried to kill Ayan.


Yeah Maya needs to protect her baby, Arjun from herself. Arjun said that he can just love her, she has to be protected from herself. I think Arjun is not capable of protecting Maya as he doesn't love Maya anymore. Now what he will have for maya will be sympathy. That she lost her baby for the second time.

Hmm.. VM didn't cause the accident TBH. But like Arjun said Saanjh should not have told anything to VM. She should have let arjun handle the things. She's dumb. But I don't feel she does these things intentionally.

Heard Maya will commit suicide after this. Really don't know what are the CVs trying to show.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Why didn't Arjun take Vandana along with him to hospital when he heard the news of Ayaan's accident from Saanjh? Vandana is the mother of the victim & a direct relative even closer than Arjun! Is Arjun ready to admit that leaving Vadana with Maya as the root cause of the entire problem?

When Saanjh phoned up Vandana & caused her to get tensed-up with the bad news, Arjun could have later tried to get her on phone & managed to pacify Vandana! He could have asked Vandana to stay put at home & not to worry about anything as he & Saanjh are taking care of Ayaan! He could have dismissed Saanjh's theory and assured Vandana to stay calm! Why did his brains fail him to act responsibly?

Anyway Jhanvi is at home to take care of Maya & Maya does not really need anyone, she can go anywhere, anytime if she decides to do so!
So, why to keep Vm at home instead of hospital? The Cvs know the reason, why!

Then again why didn't Maya allow Vm to go to hospital, first time -that is prior to her seeing Maya cleaning the blood stains!? There is no explanation again ! Except Cvs created an artificial situation so that an argument can follow later between them!

It is again baffling how a scared VM suddenly decided to take on maya, knowing fully what she did to ayaan now & to herself in S2! This is again another illogical set-up for the accident to take place!
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Posted: 8 years ago
@aditi Maya has to go I guess I had put that somewhere. Time and Illusion has to go. Samay died, so now it is Maya. I dont think she will die. She cannot just like Ayan. They both are needed for season 3 😆😆. We need to check what CVs are showing once Maya or perception goes or atleast the illusion of Maya going is given. Aditi in data analysis we follow a golden rule. 1 incident it is an accident, 2nd similar incident maybe coincidence, 3rd similar incident go and trace the trail, we are missing something seriously there. Saanjh number of actions in the most inappropriate situations has gone past the threshold of being a coincidence long back.
@Fernandes Arjun confuses me. He is sad bandar died. Yes taking Vandana with him to hospital was an option. All he heard was Ayan had an accident. Or he could have asked Saanjh to stay at hospital and come back home to take Vandana and took her to hospital.
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Posted: 8 years ago
shruthi yesterday i didn't feel any sympathy towards arjun...for me he is the root cause for everything i still didn't understand why did he bring back maya from mental asylum??? even maya was not ready to get discharged then why did he take risk of bringing her outside..for me the baby would have been survived if he had allowed her to stay in asylum till the birth of baby...kk atleast after bringing her from hospital he should have taken proper care of her right...as u said mental asylum doesn't cure people completely it requires lot of support , care , love from family members..arjun was not new to maya madness he had experienced her madness for 3 yrs...then how did he act so ignorant towards maya's condition..he also knows what makes maya feel so insecure...after knowing all this things also the way he behaved with maya it was horrible..even normal pregnant women requires more of husband love and care in this phase and here it is maya ...doesn't he know how maya is ..i'm not saying he should have genuinely loved maya after knowing her crimes...what i wan't to say is he could have atleast pretend to love her till the birth of baby..i was really confused after his scene with saanjh now all his dialogues are making sense...he himself said he can leave anyone but not saanjh there he chose saanjh above everyone which also included his bandar for him more than his bandar his madness for saanjh become more important...and that saanjh i really don't know what to say about her because even normal person doesn't act this much dumb...and here she is criminal lawyer should i believe she is completely innocent and dumb here..for me she is not...she is just acting innocent her actions and words doesn't match...because any normal person would have advised arjun to stay back with his wife knowing his wife condition... i'm not blaming maya here because she is completely mad here how can we expect her to behave normally when she is provoked even her madness is not in her control...so called normal people doesn't behave normal in this show then how can we expect maya to behave normal here...for me seeing yesterday episode there is 50-50 chances whether maya deliberately fall or it was just accidental...only future episodes can reveal this ...for me what ayan did was also not correct for me he is not complete innocent..in that attempt to rape case also he was not completely innocent maya only took the opportunity and framed him in wrong category...here also how can he manhandle a pregnant lady like that..how can he forget that his brother's child was associated with her..why did he provoked her like that...
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Posted: 8 years ago
For once I cannot agree with you there Shruthi! Sorry but my views would differ on this matter. Why does everyone still blame Saanjh and Vandana for everything? How come they are the selfish and evil ones here? Maya has been manipulative from the word GO. She never did nor risked anything where she knew she wouldn't be saved or sided with.
Vandana let go of the fact that Maya had accused her son falsely of rape and warmly welcomed her back into her life. But what did Maya do? Did Vandana want the death of her own grandchild? NO. She never wanted that though she believed someone evil as Maya is not capable of giving life. All she knows is taking life and this woman is the same woman who tried to drown her helpless mother just to gain Arjun's sympathy. A woman who can't love her own mother and who can take her life for no good reason is in no way fit to be a mother. Ayaan is on deathbed and Vandana realises Maya was never cured and worst part cruelly crushed him with her car. How can such a woman be in a sane state? Vandana panicked and wanted to rush to her child and warn Arjun about his wife's madness and that was wrong? 😕 Really? Vandana was also right when she pointed out that her child was a pawn to Maya. Should she forgive Maya just coz she is pregnant with Arjun's child and forget what she did with Ayaan? Even a woman with a big heart cant do that and Vandana is no exception.

Saanjh is the most annoying character in the show but how is she selfish or being clingy? She has known Arjun all her life, known him like no one else. Been with him in all his highs and lows. OK she made a mistake of assuming Arjun to be her soulmate. But a soulmate isn necessarily your romantic better half. A soulmate can be ur sibling or even a friend and maybe Arjun was that soulmate for her. She cried when her heart broke. Wouldn't we do that ourselves? She blamed God for snatching her love. From a practical POV she is being silly for Arjun never saw her anything more than a friend but when ur heart breaks u tend to blame the world around you. When you grow up together as friends, ur friend's family becomes ur family and how is Saanjh wrong in worrying about them? And why on earth should everyone protect Maya? Bcoz she is pregnant and allow her to commit as many murders as she wants? Saanjh always reacts on impulse and that is her biggest flaw. She may not have any valid proof against Maya but deep down she knows Maya is creepy. Is she feeling this just coz Arjun chose Maya over her? Like for real? 😵 Had Arjun chosen any other normal sane girl Saanjh would have surely berated over it but she wouldn't have assumed that person to be responsible for every wrong thing that happened in Arjun's life. She felt Maya was creepy even before Arjun proposed to her and she felt it deep in her bones and why should this have anything to do with her feelings towards Arjun? How can she bring herself to believe Maya has changed? This woman took away every single ray of hope and happiness in her life. When she had decided to move on and embrace a new love she finds out her partner is another pawn of Maya's and worse her father is dead coz of Maya. How much more should Saanjh lose coz of Maya? Well I wont be surprised if ppl end up blaming Saanjh here bcoz this forum seems to be a hate brigand for Saanjh. I find Saanjh to be illogical and tactless but she is no way being clingy and for once I wish people would see beyond the scarred chapter of Maya's childhood which was painted by Maya herself and as we all know there had been another aspect to it as well.

As for Arjun he blindly believes what Maya shows him despite knowing what a psychopath his wife is I have no words for him.

Vandana and Saanjh could have acted with more caution but the two women were never known for their analytical prowess. They freak out over everything and thats their major flaw. But honestly that kid deserved better and it was only a mercy it did not come into this world to suffer from his/her mother's madness and be used as a pawn.

P. S - Sorry if I offended you but just stated my views.
Edited by BeyondHorizon - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Exactly Siri. Maya was better off in mental aslyum till the birth of the baby. Atleast there her biggest insecurity didnt go to cause a risk to the unborn child. Arjun choose his madness, Maya too chose her madness. End result is there to see.
Vandana didnt push Maya in the second instance, that I am sure of. The fall happens after Arjun calls her, that's why I felt it to be deliberate as that was the only way Maya could salvage herself in front of Arjun.

See between Maya and Ayan, balance tilts in favour of Ayan. Between Ayan and baby, balance tilts in favour of baby. The most innocent of the lot lost life today.

Coming to Saanjh, her actions doesnt look dumb any more. Yes any normal woman would have told Arjun to be with his wife.


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Posted: 8 years ago
@Beyondhorizon I only looked if anyone could have protected that child. Could any action would have reversed the death of the child. It is not blame. It is only asking Maya is bad and mad, why cant someone be different and behave a bit sane. Only that much. In the chain of events, there were many points the child would have been protected. A crime survives, a criminal goes scott free when under moral conflict you too behave like criminal. Hence an Ashwin wins, hence a Ashwin in Maya wins. Most importantly Love or Prem loses to Maya or perception.
Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ria pregnant Maya needed Arjun the most. His child needed Arjun the most. Arjun took the hand of dusky and choose her as his priority. When Arjun took his madness hand, Maya's madness killed the baby.

Couldn't have been worded better, Shruti... fabulously put in words ... this Saanjh is such an irritating character *uff* and followed by Arjun ... who in his sane mind would choose a friend over his pregnant wife ? * facepalm *
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Navya I had wondered why CVs made Arjun say Saanjh is his madness. Yesterday episode showed why that dialogue was told.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Beyondhorizon I only looked if anyone could have protected that child. Could any action would have reversed the death of the child. It is not blame. It is only asking Maya is bad and mad, why cant someone be different and behave a bit sane. Only that much. In the chain of events, there were many points the child would have been protected. A crime survives, a criminal goes scott free when under moral conflict you too behave like criminal. Hence an Ashwin wins, hence a Ashwin in Maya wins. Most importantly Love or Prem loses to Maya or perception.


About the child, yes it was innocent indeed and maybe destiny did it a kindness by not letting him/her to be born. The responsibility of a parent doesn't end by giving birth to a child but the real responsibility is to raise that child to be a responsible citizen and a good human being. With Maya for a mother and a careless father the child would have turned out to be like Maya or even worse. How was it possible for Vandana to react in any other manner? Her child is on deathbed coz of Maya but she is selfish for wanting to expose Maya? How? Just because she is pregnant should Vandana have stayed put? Did Vandana let go of Maya that caused her fall? About Saanjh the only reason why she mentioned her suspicions to Vandana was to save her from Maya who was alone in the house with her. OK one might argue that Maya being pregnant wouldn't have harmed Vandana but the same pregnant Maya had brutally run a car over Ayaan. Was it wrong for Saanjh to be scared for Vandana? She acted in haste true and Saanjh was never the brightest among the lot. The only person who could have protected the child was Maya herself. Rather than defend Maya blaming Vandana/Saanjh or Arjun why cant Maya be accountable for her own actions? She could have chosen to face the truth, rather she chose to sacrifice others be it her mother or even her child to her benefit. When the mother herself is so unstable how can the child growing inside her be safe?

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