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sunithi

@sunithi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#311

Thanks Shruti di..very good explanation..now as per Kushal IV words,Arya will be a baby boy,then history taking them to Arjun the 6year old boy ..how nicely history got weaved in present..looking forward to see true love wins or not and history changes r not.Arjun said,their Love will save Maya..

It's so tiring to see the repeated action of Maya and Arjun being duffer. .they really need to screw up the things fast and take the story forward...

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#312

@sunithi I want to see how CVs show poori koshish to save. The crux of the story is there. The definition of poori koshish and definition of selflessness.

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K.AJAY MANIKANTA

@ajay227

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Posted: 8 years ago

#313

Saanjh has always admitted she loves Arjun...She can to go any extent for her Dufferu is proved time&again...but the problem is she till date didn't accept that Maya won Arjun nd he never loved her...so let's say she is a gone case with respect to Arjun...But not in one instance she tried to create any MUs between ArYa, she always tried to show mirror to Arjun of Maya for what she is, She is Bad&Mad and that's a truth...but what she wanted to prove was she is mad & bad only she never tried to find out why Is Maya bad & mad!!!So she always fails... Now coming to Maya, I always had sympathy for her for whatever she has gone thru..In season 1 nd some part of season2 all her actions r justified...I support her killing Ashwin also...But right after entry of Samay she is disgusting to core...The one fact she always says is she has done everything for Arjun she loves him she is loyal.to him blah blah...So what does this loyalty mean??Allowing another person (in this ur ex-lover) to bite u to just prove somebody raped her bd get Arjun 's sympathy...And yesterday Throwing flying kisses at him or in a way I will say seducing him so that he doesn't fall off the hook and will do whatever she wants...Even if it means killing n number of people...Oh GOD her love for Arjun is for Lokakalyan that people have to sacrifice their lives!!!After all It's a Jodi of Millineium...She tried to tell that she is mad before marrying Arjun but for once she didn't try to tell Arjun Abt Samay?Why???Is this called Loyality??? Shruthi u say Samay always speaks unspoken words of Saanjh then what is Maya???Isn't she a hypocrite???And yesterday when she has thrown that flying kiss she seemed to be a very low class woman!! Whatever it may be she has gone complete black nd there is no redemption for her...And if Jhanvi is the worst mother,Maya will be no less...If she feels that poor child is getting more love & attention from Arjun she won't think twice before killing the child nd will plan a way to put the blame on Saanjh/Vandana for the fools they are...I don't think Jhanvi has tried to kill Maya anytime but if GOD forbids Maya will try at least once to kill her child...

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#314

@ajay first try to understand that I place Maya bad and mad. She can go beyhadh, a mad and bad person go beyhadh. It is expected. Where I have told Maya is right.

I am only telling Saanjh to look at both aspects and rise above Maya or perception. That's all. I just want difference from her. Samay is showing the mirror of Saanjh. If you see mirror, if you see your reflection not correct what will you do, you will try to correct yourself, your path. For that you have to not just see the reflection but understand shadow also. Now Saanjh sees Maya only, she needs to understand what Samay tells.

Samay's actions support Maya, but his dialogues support Saanjh. Saanjh only has to take the inner meaning of those dialogues and cut a path to break perceptions, break Maya.

Beauty of Samay the metaphor is, it shows everyone his or her reflection. With Maya he shows how bad and mad she is to get what she wants. To Saanjh he shows the disconnect between her dialogues and actions, making her ask the right questions to herself and find the answers. If Saanjh doesnt love Samay why is she marrying him. See that silence of Saanjh is a question mark on her, what does she want. The silence kind of substantiates Maya's claim that Saanjh loves Arjun still and does not want to marry.

And to Arjun, to Arjun he shows the position of Arjun with respect to two women. He needs both.

If you look baby is that of Maya, but to protect the baby, Saanjh has to rise over not only Maya the girl, but over the perception for that she has to understand time. If she understands time, Arjun can defeat the power of time, which was shown yesterday with Arjun defeating Samay, while Prem succumbed to Samay.

The truth lies what happened 15 years back and only Saanjh can open it. I want to see it, I am waiting for it.

And I had expected this from Maya. A bad and mad Maya I had expected because her past is that. If someone has to stop her, someone has to rise above Maya or perceptions.

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K.AJAY MANIKANTA

@ajay227

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Posted: 8 years ago

#315

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@ajay first try to understand that I place Maya bad and mad. She can go beyhadh, a mad and bad person go beyhadh. It is expected. Where I have told Maya is right.
I am only telling Saanjh to look at both aspects and rise above Maya or perception. That's all. I just want difference from her. Samay is showing the mirror of Saanjh. If you see mirror, if you see your reflection not correct what will you do, you will try to correct yourself, your path. For that you have to not just see the reflection but understand shadow also. Now Saanjh sees Maya only, she needs to understand what Samay tells.
Samay's actions support Maya, but his dialogues support Saanjh. Saanjh only has to take the inner meaning of those dialogues and cut a path to break perceptions, break Maya.

Beauty of Samay the metaphor is, it shows everyone his or her reflection. With Maya he shows how bad and mad she is to get what she wants. To Saanjh he shows the disconnect between her dialogues and actions, making her ask the right questions to herself and find the answers. If Saanjh doesnt love Samay why is she marrying him. See that silence of Saanjh is a question mark on her, what does she want. The silence kind of substantiates Maya's claim that Saanjh loves Arjun still and does not want to marry.

And to Arjun, to Arjun he shows the position of Arjun with respect to two women. He needs both.

If you look baby is that of Maya, but to protect the baby, Saanjh has to rise over not only Maya the girl, but over the perception for that she has to understand time. If she understands time, Arjun can defeat the power of time, which was shown yesterday with Arjun defeating Samay, while Prem succumbed to Samay.

The truth lies what happened 15 years back and only Saanjh can open it. I want to see it, I am waiting for it.

And I had expected this from Maya. A bad and mad Maya I had expected because her past is that. If someone has to stop her, someone has to rise above Maya or perceptions.

But what if Saanjh is lost in this circle...Becoz losing her father is nthg less than a tragedy for her...Now When she knows that Samay is the culprit nd SaMaya together played the game why would she want to dig Maya's past..she will straight away claim Arjun nd will send Maya to jail...I don't see anyone helping Maya if once her truths r out becoz any sane person cannot tolerate her...Even Jhanvi goes against Maya...let's see if Saanjh has that potential to be a knight in shining armor for Maya...for all Saanjh has done till now she never seemed to be an exceptional case...Her life goes round nd round Abt Arjun nd she even lost her father due to this...If she learn the lesson, we can surely say she will rise above nd.fight Maya...But with Samay nd Maya together it's really tough for her!!

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DeadShot

@DeadShot

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Posted: 8 years ago

#316

@shruthiravi ...waiting for your analysis of today's episode😃

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#317

@ajay she is Arjun's friend right. Maya is a risk to the baby. Yesterday it was shown clearly. If Saanjh blindly sends Maya to jail and claims Arjun, to show her vengeance Maya wont hesitate to kill the child, thus leaving Arjun and Saanjh guilty for ever, or atleast Arjun which can even make him mad.

The baby has to be the focus. Saanjh has to rise above perceptions as a friend for Arjun to protect the innocent child. She has to do it because she is Prem's legacy

The child cannot pay for the mess of everyone. The child's innocence has to be protected, and that demands something from Saanjh.

@factfictionmyth will post. Give me sometime.

Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago

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riddhiseth

@riddhiseth

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Posted: 8 years ago

#318

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@ajay she is Arjun's friend right. Maya is a risk to the baby. Yesterday it was shown clearly. If Saanjh blindly sends Maya to jail and claims Arjun, to show her vengeance Maya wont hesitate to kill the child, thus leaving Arjun and Saanjh guilty for ever, or atleast Arjun which can even make him mad.
The baby has to be the focus. Saanjh has to rise above perceptions as a friend for Arjun to protect the innocent child. She has to do it because she is Prem's legacy

The child cannot pay for the mess of everyone. The child's innocence has to be protected, and that demands something from Saanjh.

@factfictionmyth will post. Give me sometime.

Shruti di I've seen ppl saying that it's samay's baby what do you have to say about it and yesterday samay said Arjun ka pyaar tumhare dil main rahega aur mere nishaan tumhare shareer par what does that mean will you pls explain this

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Fernandes43

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Posted: 8 years ago

#319

Originally posted by: riddhiseth

Shruti di I've seen ppl saying that it's samay's baby what do you have to say about it and yesterday samay said Arjun ka pyaar tumhare dil main rahega aur mere nishaan tumhare shareer par what does that mean will you pls explain this
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It is 'monkey business' as the parents are choosing to call 'bandar' a pet name for unborn child!

Edited by Fernandes43 - 8 years ago

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#320

1/6/2017

Time wants to dance with illusion and illusion wants time to go. Illusion tells time to remain in its limits and time tells I show everyone their limits and I dont stay in limits. Uff that scene with Maya and Samay in the room was superb, well scripted and well enacted by Jenny and Piyush.This is what I wanted. Time sending chills in the spine of illusion. Time making illusion afraid. Before I come to the details of that part, let me analyze other parts of the episode.

First and the foremost Maya is a risk to the baby. She cannot see the attention going more to the baby than her. She doesnt realize when you become pregnant some of your habits has to changed, for the sake of baby as in your physical and mental health the baby thrives.

Arjun also has to be careful, when he says bandar is fine right. He needs to understand that if bandar has to be right, Maya also has to be right. It has to be always bandar and bandar ki maa right. You cannot keep a relation for the sake of the child. Because if the parents dont connect with each other, dont trust each other or understand each other then the child will be a bandar, jumping from one tree to another without proper direction.

Most interesting part was Ayan. First person to cast suspicion on Samay.Because he has to connect. Samay was the key witness in his case, Samay was present in Prem's death. Samay is everywhere, where Maya's footprints are found. Maya is bad and mad. Samay is a good boy. Break the perception Ayan. Samay is not a good boy. He is not. I loved this part. Ayan keeps the direction of Samay may not be what he seems. VM connects that line with Saanjh says, that she saw Maya giving flying kiss to Samay. But she is not sure as she sees illusions everywhere. What I liked the most about this part was, so far Vandana's judgement about Samay was good boy to the extend she was going to give the right to light the pyre of Prem to Samay. It's her son who first cast the aspersion to that belief, followed by Saanjh. I like the omen here. It is very much in line with my analysis. There are many perceptions of VM that needs to break and Ayan and Saanjh will be the medium for the same. To make her realize, the price of her one sided judgements. They will walk through fire to correct the equation.

Another thing that I liked about Ayan was he accepted his punishment. He took his punishment for trusting his brother, going to protect him. He doesnt want anyone to do anything more. He doesnt want anyone to bring him out. He said he will take two year sentence, come out and then deal with things. He doesnt want revenge, but Ayan justice has to come. You cant run away from justice. But you have a very positive outlook, accept what you have got, then move on. It is tough Ayan. Society wont allow you. They will check with you the eye of an attempted rapist only if you dont fight for justice. That's your hardest battle, to redeem yourself in the eyes of society without Maya or without facade.

Now I will come to the line of Samay told Maya. The love for Arjun remains in your heart, but in your body my marks are there. It send shrills through me. Not because the child Maya carrying maybe Samay's child, but because was she molested/raped as a child. Did Ashwin raped her, attempt to rape her, is that what that had happened on her 9th birthday. Because Maya's body is impure. Yes it is. But in Maya's heart there is only Arjun .

See there are 2 aspects of Maya that were completely disconnected. One was she making Samay bite her, slap her etc..See if you want an extra marital affair you can always run one. Why would a woman allow another man to torture her and she is able to withstand that torture. Second what she showed in court was fake, but what she spoke how can a person who has not once felt what it is to be raped/ attempted to be raped talk with so much feeling about an unwanted touch.

Jhanvi keeps on telling Maya is a good girl in season 1. Maya has aversion to touch. A society that does not recognize the trauma of child rape victims and might even ostractize them, terming them impure, is it the secret that Maya is guarding. Is it that anger where justice was denied comes out to her in various forms especially against men. Convict Ayan, Control Arjun and manage Samay. A man over powered her and she wants to over power a man. And time telling her whatever she do a man's imprints are on her body which is not that of her husband, doesnt matter she just holds her husband in her heart, her body belongs to more than a man as someone has touched it, used it before Arjun.

If by any chance my theory is true. Maya has been molested/raped or attempt of rape happened on her as a 9 year old I will have no pity if Maya murders Jhanvi. Because if that's the case Jhanvi is more the culprit than Ashwin himself. How can she allow such a torture of her daughter and still continue to go for the man who tortured her.

So the above is thesis no:1, second is thesis no:2, where Samay is talking about either the bite, slaps he did to Maya or it can also be of the affair they had 8 years back. It could have been a physical affair where they might have had pre marital relation also. Dont know whether a baby was there and Maya left it in orphanage or so. But the fact that they had a pre marital relation can break Maya's marriage.

Third thesis 3- If Maya doesnt come with Samay, he will take her forcefully and rape her

Now coming to child is Samay's or not. See a baby doesnt happen if the time is not correct at the time of union of hus-wife. A baby happens when a man unite with a woman at the right time. So when hus-wife unites, when hus touches a wife physically, time the metaphor is making her body ready for conception. So time is there, marks of time are there in her body.

Now if it comes to whether the child is that of Samay the man, I feel chances are less though it is thriller nothing can be ruled out, but following points has to be noted. Arjun-Maya consummated the marriage again, then Samay tells Arjun is in her heart. Also Samay says in some episode back, Samay ne Samay ko palat diya. So the nishaan has to be of that past before marriage with Arjun. Maya's past is murky. Maybe more than a man had touched her.

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