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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

I'm extremely happy that you do. Thank you.

It wasn't my intention to do so. My sincere apologies.

Happens to the best of us, no problem.

Thanks for clarifying. And sorry for the assumptuous front I put up.

Do read the book, I insist you to. Better than 80% of the thrillers out there.


That's alright. Yeah, surely some time.

Thank you so much for your concern. I'm at a much much much better place right now. I'm really overwhelmed by gratitude. We need more people like you. What makes me even more happier is that you exist and you'd never let people around you suffer. Might sound a bit overboard, but thanks for existing.

Thank you! The least I try to do is show as much respect and kindness I can. Be good, you!


My replies in bold.

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Since some people were pissed that I used a real life case study, I'd be putting up some fictional examples soon too.


If you mean Khushi here, then I'd like to clear that she wasn't pissed. She was only confused and probably just as much as I was because I couldn't understand the correlation either. Sure, you can if you'd like to but chances are I wouldn't be able to discuss them like I could for Maya's case because I haven't watched majority of the tv shows/movies where psychopaths have been portrayed.

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Oh and Husna,

Your analysis describes Maya more of a macho type psychopath, not a charismatic one. Just what I felt after reading that but it slipped out of my mind at that time.


It does. That's the reason why I put that particular part right at the end purely based on the video reference explains and Maya seemed to match that particular sub type.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.


If you mean Khushi here, then I'd like to clear that she wasn't pissed. She was only confused and probably just as much as I was because I couldn't understand the correlation either.
Sure, you can if you'd like to but chances are I wouldn't be able to discuss them like I could for Maya's case because I haven't watched majority of the tv shows/movies where psychopaths have been portrayed.


No, not her in particular. I put up Voldy's PCLR scores up in my post, I'd have linked it but meh, you can go there and see it. Lemme know what you think of it for sure!
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  • An Empirical Classification of Psychopathic Personality by R. BlackBurn (Brit. J. of Psychiatry)
  • Snakes in Suits by Paul Babiak and Robert Hare]

Psychopaths can be put into sub-types based on score on each of interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and anti-social domain.

Psychopathy sub-type:

1. Classic style: Who score high on all four domains

These are violent criminals, sex offenders, con artists, serial killers. They will probably end up in prison. Much of the fear associated with psychopathy is because of them and macho type.


2. Manipulative style: Who score high on interpersonal and affective domain and somewhat low in lifestyle and anti-social domain.

Some Violent psychopaths along with top CEOs, lawyers, surgeons, salespersons, media persons, journalists, police officers, clergy persons, chefs score in this pattern. We can call them sub-criminal psychopaths.

3. Macho style: Scores high in all four except interpersonal domain.

These are cold blooded offenders who invariably use violent means, they lack the charm, confidence, and manipulative ability of classical type, so resort into violence.

When psychopaths are examined under Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI), a tool to study adult personality, four type of psychopaths emerge

Type 1: Scores highly on extroversion, impulsivity, aggression, suspicion, and psychopathic deviate scales; low on tension, autistic thinking, shyness and depression scales. This group is therefore undersocialized, impulsive, aggressive, extrapunitive, and relatively lacking in anxiety or other subjective disturbance.


Type 2: Scores high on all scales except extroversion and lying. The high level of anxiety, depression, social avoidance and other subjective disturbance suggests that this group is guilt prone and hence would not comply with the traditional concept of the psychopath. However, the members of this group are somewhat more hostile, aggressive, impulsive, and undersocialized than those in Type 1.

Difference between type 1 and 2 is type 1 is highly extraverted but not neurotic, type 2 is highly neurotic but not extraverted. Dangerous criminals are under type 1 classification.

Type 3: Scores at a uniformly low level on all scales except extroversion and lying. This pattern suggests defensive denial of psychological problem and high degree of control need.

Type 4: Characterized by mainly social shyness, introversion and depression with moderate hostility but lacks notable aggression or impulsivity.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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@HadhSeJyada - Thanks for sharing the info! *seems interesting* You see, my basis of the analysis was to only explain the possibility of Maya being a psychopath which in my opinion is quite high. The sub type reference was only made because I came across it and I thought, might as well another little detail. That's about it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.

You see, my basis of the analysis was to only explain the possibility of Maya being a psychopath which in my opinion is quite high. The sub type reference was only made because I came across it and I thought, might as well another little detail. That's about it.


I am well aware of this fact :)
And I'm glad you made an effort to understand it all so genuinely! Hope it was worth it.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@annihilation
Read your post in @HadhSeJyada's thread. What a wonderful analysis, sply the way you have explained everything. Hats off to your research!! 👏

Read your second post as well comparing Maya with Amy and Viraj Dobriyal. I think Maya is kind of an amalgamation of both these characters. Amy was most probably psychopathic whereas Viraj was suffering from OCPD. That's why she is showing a lot of signs of OCPD as well as few signs of being a psychopath.

Actually I feel Maya's character has many shades like Viraj. Sply the part of isolating their spouses from everyone and having them fully for themselves. And controlling their spouse by deciding what they should eat, drink etc , putting CCTV cameras due to insecurity reasons.
Both had a similar childhood. Seen a toxic relationship of their parents which made them form twisted definitions of love, right, wrong.
Both feel whatever they are doing is right. Their crimes are not to have some sadistic pleasure, but to punish those who don't follow their rules.
Also they are very loyal towards their spouses.
Both believed in Pati being Parmeshwar but use it to this extent that their spouses get suffocated.
Just to name a few. ...


Actually I am quite confused in how to view Maya. Makers give us scenes like Maya asking Samay to bite her, then the next day give scenes like Maya expressing her guilt to Jhanvi. So she has a weak conscience associated with her. Anyway waiting for the actual revelation.


Once again very beautiful post !
Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am a relatively new member of this forum and have been watching this show with a possible story in my mind. I do not study psychology but have beginner's knowledge in medicine field.
Since the TM and the person who wrote it originally have done a lot of research, I am curious to know their opinions. I have not included references but just googled information about psychopaths. Those are in bold sentences.
My understanding of the story of Beyhadh is something like this:It's a long post so bear with me😊

From the few initial episodes of the show, I had a feeling that Maya was a psychopath. Psychopaths are born with probably defective wiring in their brain and cannot process emotional information the same way as normal people do. They lie, manipulate, have zero empathy and use people as objects to get their work done.They are basically empty shells. Their symptoms show in early childhood because they are ruthless, derive sadistic pleasure from harming other kids and cannot fit into a school environment. The makers showed that Maya had trouble in school. Ashwin, like most other fathers, thought she was 'bad' and punished her. Positive reinforcement in early childhood could have helped her to be a little more empathetic because young brains are plastic, but that didn't happen in Maya's case probably because of ignorance or lack of time from her parents.
Pyschopaths need constant thrill and control gives them the thrill. They choose victims with empathy since that's something they don't have. Maya grew up and she hated her father for punishing her but Jhanvi, as a mother, showed her sympathy. Maya's first victim was Jhanvi. Just like they showed us with Arjun, she must have separated her from everyone, Ashwin and her grandfather. Maya used to tell her mother "You are no one's wife, daughter, etc. you are just my mom". Pyschopaths show the world they are very confident, but in reality they are very insecure of themselves. They know they are different from the world and constantly fear that their 'secret' will be out. They need 'hosts' to latch onto for their own existence. I am assuming the beatings by Ashwin could have happened when she was manipulating and lying to separate Jhanvi from Ashwin. She did say that "I will not come in between you and mom"OR it could be to create fear in her after she stabbed him so that she will not harm him further OR it could be just hallucinations since pyschopaths do have hallucinations. The crime that Ashwin said Maya committed which would land her in jail for a long time could be killing her grandfather (this is strictly a guess) to separate Jhanvi from him and to snatch the company. Maya succeeded in making Jhanvi her victim. Whenever Jhanvi wanted to go to Ashwin, she used the same technique of suicide that she uses with Arjun. Her victims are sort of her property. She can do anything to them. She will protect them from every harm, use them and discard them when they are not needed. She can jump in the river to save Jhanvi and at the same time leave her to die.(I strongly believe Maya was the one who Jhanvi was talking to in the godown when she fell).
Maya found thrill in controlling her company and her employees. Then she met Arjun, a fun-loving, extremely ambitious guy with loads of empathy. Arjun protected her from Ashwin who always made her fear that he will let her 'secret' out. Maya decided to make Arjun her next victim. The moment she swallowed a pill with "A" written on it, I knew he was doomed. She lacks empathy, Arjun has loads of it. She wanted him as her 'medicine'. Latching on to him will make her get through in life. Maya knew very well that Saanjh loves Arjun and Arjun loves Saanjh too if given a chance to realize. She went after Arjun like a trophy, grabbing every chance she can to be with him and manipulating him. She showed him money and power which was his weakness and finally got him to fall for her. The 'love bombing" or idealization phase where the psychopath showers the victim with immense attention and "love" was shown nicely.
Arjun is her victim now and Ashwin tried to kill him. She killed Ashwin as he was a threat to Arjun (this has not been shown explicitly but plenty of hints and clues given). After her marriage with Arjun, she can no longer control Jhanvi and she is not needed anymore. So Maya started giving her pills to make her mentally unstable and cause hallucinations where Jhanvi saw Ashwin's 'bhoot". Jhanvi probably found some evidence against Maya and decided to confront her in the godown. Jhanvi said "you killed my Ashwin. You tried to show the world that I am paagal. I thought everything will be ok after marriage. I will tell the world who is the real pagaal". All these dialogues can only be directed towards Maya. Jhanvi tried to ask for help from Saanjh, so she couldn't be the one. Arjun is not the type of person who can murder mercilessly and he can be safely excluded given that Maya said "sorry" to Jhanvi in the hospital in her lying evil way.
Coming to her new life, Maya needed complete control of Arjun and she didn't want to be 'bad' in his eyes. So, she decided to be good, extremely good. She knew after Vandana had taken away Arjun from the mandaap that Vandana will never accept her. She showed Arjun that she was the most ideal wife and Vandana was a bad step-mom. Once Arjun left his family, her work was done. She never cared to have family ties again with Vandana and Ayaan. Vandana is not an inherently evil person. There is no 'on-off' switch in a person that says "I will be good today, bad from tomorrow". Maya had plenty of time (3years) to prove Vandana was wrong and she can make her son Arjun happy. But she failed because her intention was always to alienate Arjun from his family. Maya also separated Saanjh from Arjun's life with the fake pregnancy and miscarriage drama.
Now, Arjun was only hers. Pyschopaths use 'gas lighting' (that's the term I think) to play with victim's mind. They make them go so low(separation from family) and then so high(riding on money and power) as in Arjun's case that the victim questions his/her own ability to think and believes what the pyschopath says blindly. After Arjun was hers completely and believed what she said blindly, she brainwashed him into believing that if he leaves her, she will die or be devastated. Maya knows very well that she cannot be cured. No pill can instill empathy in a person. Pyschopaths cannot be cured. She is also devaluating Arjun by saying things like "tum kisi ke dawa nahin ban sakte" and making him look like a wife-beater in public. A forum member posted about Arjun having Stockholm syndrome and victims of pyschopath show exactly the symptoms of that syndrome.
Regarding further plot, I think Saanjh will get to know about Maya's past through Samay and last blow will be Jhanvi who will probably bring out her 'sach' that she is a pyschopath. My guess at the ending of the show is that since Maya can no longer control Arjun, she will try to kill him but will be saved by Saanjh (7th vow) and Maya will die.

According to me, Maya has wronged a lot of people in her life, Arjun and Jhanvi of course but also Ayaan, Vandana (may be she will top the list in a few episodes), most definately Saanjh, Ashwin , her grandfather (guess). To me, this story shows the devastation caused by a pyschopath to her victims and family.

I loved Arjun's dialogue in the first episode when he and Saanjh see Maya at the temple. He said "kuch log saare duniya ko rulake yahan aake aansoon bahatein hain" or something like that.😊

Sorry about the long post. Do share opinions/criticism.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: aditi97

@annihilation

Read your post in @HadhSeJyada's thread. What a wonderful analysis, sply the way you have explained everything. Hats off to your research!!👏

Read your second post as well comparing Maya with Amy and Viraj Dobriyal. I think Maya is kind of an amalgamation of both these characters. Amy was most probably psychopathic whereas Viraj was suffering from OCPD. That's why she is showing a lot of signs of OCPD as well as few signs of being a psychopath.

Actually I feel Maya's character has many shades like Viraj. Sply the part of isolating their spouses from everyone and having them fully for themselves. And controlling their spouse by deciding what they should eat, drink etc , putting CCTV cameras due to insecurity reasons.
Both had a similar childhood. Seen a toxic relationship of their parents which made them form twisted definitions of love, right, wrong.
Both feel whatever they are doing is right. Their crimes are not to have some sadistic pleasure, but to punish those who don't follow their rules.
Also they are very loyal towards their spouses.
Both believed in Pati being Parmeshwar but use it to this extent that their spouses get suffocated.
Just to name a few. ...


Actually I am quite confused in how to view Maya. Makers give us scenes like Maya asking Samay to bite her, then the next day give scenes like Maya expressing her guilt to Jhanvi. So she has a weak conscience associated with her. Anyway waiting for the actual revelation.


Once again very beautiful post !


exacrky even i got remindedod viraj dobriyal from saubhagyathi bhava!!!!he was cometely dark male character intv"sb
history!!!!tgen comes shautya goebnka of ek hasina this.anyways
since here female lead is is a complete different from otherslike gopu!!!y Its hard for indian audiences to adjuat or accept the situationa
evemthough i am bifg fan of maay"f I LIKE ALL THETHREE leADS BUT SAMAY ALSO[ he always outshines arjun
may be its m natural versatalityiuBR]PS.I AN a neutal fan ioff beyhadh.everyone is wrelcome but please.saajun or arya 'or samaya fans don't ceeate a war jone here!!!!
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@husna,khushi abduction hadse zyada Completeky afgreen with u!!!
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Originally posted by: Shivani115

I am a relatively new member of this forum and have been watching this show with a possible story in my mind. I do not study psychology but have beginner's knowledge in medicine field.

Since the TM and the person who wrote it originally have done a lot of research, I am curious to know their opinions. I have not included references but just googled information about psychopaths. Those are in bold sentences.
My understanding of the story of Beyhadh is something like this:It's a long post so bear with me😊

From the few initial episodes of the show, I had a feeling that Maya was a psychopath. Psychopaths are born with probably defective wiring in their brain and cannot process emotional information the same way as normal people do. They lie, manipulate, have zero empathy and use people as objects to get their work done.They are basically empty shells. Their symptoms show in early childhood because they are ruthless, derive sadistic pleasure from harming other kids and cannot fit into a school environment. The makers showed that Maya had trouble in school. Ashwin, like most other fathers, thought she was 'bad' and punished her. Positive reinforcement in early childhood could have helped her to be a little more empathetic because young brains are plastic, but that didn't happen in Maya's case probably because of ignorance or lack of time from her parents.
Pyschopaths need constant thrill and control gives them the thrill. They choose victims with empathy since that's something they don't have. Maya grew up and she hated her father for punishing her but Jhanvi, as a mother, showed her sympathy. Maya's first victim was Jhanvi. Just like they showed us with Arjun, she must have separated her from everyone, Ashwin and her grandfather. Maya used to tell her mother "You are no one's wife, daughter, etc. you are just my mom". Pyschopaths show the world they are very confident, but in reality they are very insecure of themselves. They know they are different from the world and constantly fear that their 'secret' will be out. They need 'hosts' to latch onto for their own existence. I am assuming the beatings by Ashwin could have happened when she was manipulating and lying to separate Jhanvi from Ashwin. She did say that "I will not come in between you and mom"OR it could be to create fear in her after she stabbed him so that she will not harm him further OR it could be just hallucinations since pyschopaths do have hallucinations. The crime that Ashwin said Maya committed which would land her in jail for a long time could be killing her grandfather (this is strictly a guess) to separate Jhanvi from him and to snatch the company. Maya succeeded in making Jhanvi her victim. Whenever Jhanvi wanted to go to Ashwin, she used the same technique of suicide that she uses with Arjun. Her victims are sort of her property. She can do anything to them. She will protect them from every harm, use them and discard them when they are not needed. She can jump in the river to save Jhanvi and at the same time leave her to die.(I strongly believe Maya was the one who Jhanvi was talking to in the godown when she fell).
Maya found thrill in controlling her company and her employees. Then she met Arjun, a fun-loving, extremely ambitious guy with loads of empathy. Arjun protected her from Ashwin who always made her fear that he will let her 'secret' out. Maya decided to make Arjun her next victim. The moment she swallowed a pill with "A" written on it, I knew he was doomed. She lacks empathy, Arjun has loads of it. She wanted him as her 'medicine'. Latching on to him will make her get through in life. Maya knew very well that Saanjh loves Arjun and Arjun loves Saanjh too if given a chance to realize. She went after Arjun like a trophy, grabbing every chance she can to be with him and manipulating him. She showed him money and power which was his weakness and finally got him to fall for her. The 'love bombing" or idealization phase where the psychopath showers the victim with immense attention and "love" was shown nicely.
Arjun is her victim now and Ashwin tried to kill him. She killed Ashwin as he was a threat to Arjun (this has not been shown explicitly but plenty of hints and clues given). After her marriage with Arjun, she can no longer control Jhanvi and she is not needed anymore. So Maya started giving her pills to make her mentally unstable and cause hallucinations where Jhanvi saw Ashwin's 'bhoot". Jhanvi probably found some evidence against Maya and decided to confront her in the godown. Jhanvi said "you killed my Ashwin. You tried to show the world that I am paagal. I thought everything will be ok after marriage. I will tell the world who is the real pagaal". All these dialogues can only be directed towards Maya. Jhanvi tried to ask for help from Saanjh, so she couldn't be the one. Arjun is not the type of person who can murder mercilessly and he can be safely excluded given that Maya said "sorry" to Jhanvi in the hospital in her lying evil way.
Coming to her new life, Maya needed complete control of Arjun and she didn't want to be 'bad' in his eyes. So, she decided to be good, extremely good. She knew after Vandana had taken away Arjun from the mandaap that Vandana will never accept her. She showed Arjun that she was the most ideal wife and Vandana was a bad step-mom. Once Arjun left his family, her work was done. She never cared to have family ties again with Vandana and Ayaan. Vandana is not an inherently evil person. There is no 'on-off' switch in a person that says "I will be good today, bad from tomorrow". Maya had plenty of time (3years) to prove Vandana was wrong and she can make her son Arjun happy. But she failed because her intention was always to alienate Arjun from his family. Maya also separated Saanjh from Arjun's life with the fake pregnancy and miscarriage drama.
Now, Arjun was only hers. Pyschopaths use 'gas lighting' (that's the term I think) to play with victim's mind. They make them go so low(separation from family) and then so high(riding on money and power) as in Arjun's case that the victim questions his/her own ability to think and believes what the pyschopath says blindly. After Arjun was hers completely and believed what she said blindly, she brainwashed him into believing that if he leaves her, she will die or be devastated. Maya knows very well that she cannot be cured. No pill can instill empathy in a person. Pyschopaths cannot be cured. She is also devaluating Arjun by saying things like "tum kisi ke dawa nahin ban sakte" and making him look like a wife-beater in public. A forum member posted about Arjun having Stockholm syndrome and victims of pyschopath show exactly the symptoms of that syndrome.
Regarding further plot, I think Saanjh will get to know about Maya's past through Samay and last blow will be Jhanvi who will probably bring out her 'sach' that she is a pyschopath. My guess at the ending of the show is that since Maya can no longer control Arjun, she will try to kill him but will be saved by Saanjh (7th vow) and Maya will die.

According to me, Maya has wronged a lot of people in her life, Arjun and Jhanvi of course but also Ayaan, Vandana (may be she will top the list in a few episodes), most definately Saanjh, Ashwin , her grandfather (guess). To me, this story shows the devastation caused by a pyschopath to her victims and family.

I loved Arjun's dialogue in the first episode when he and Saanjh see Maya at the temple. He said "kuch log saare duniya ko rulake yahan aake aansoon bahatein hain" or something like that.😊

Sorry about the long post. Do share opinions/criticism.



Hi Shivani...lovely post😃

Agree with most of your points, except one...I think Ashwin was indeed abusive with Maya...all others could be her victims, except Ashwin...

I have read online that though psychopaths have genetic predisposition, childhood abuse can turn them into dangerous criminals/murderers...not all psychopaths are criminals...
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


Hi Shivani...lovely post😃

Agree with most of your points, except one...I think Ashwin was indeed abusive with Maya...all others could be her victims, except Ashwin...

I have read online that though psychopaths have genetic predisposition, childhood abuse can turn them into dangerous criminals/murderers...not all psychopaths are criminals...

Thank you for liking my post, Khushi. Regarding Ashwin, not much has been shown about Maya's past that anything can be firmly concluded. Only Maya's version, which can be very well twisted and a false one to gain sympathy of Arjun. Childhood abuse can go either way. Parents think their kids are 'bad' and punish them which can be called 'abuse' because the parents don't know about the problem or there can be actual 'abuse' as well. Ashwin seemed to be more after the company than anything else. I feel like Maya falsely snatched the company from her grandfather and Ashwin wanted half of it back. Thinking logically, if it's Jhanvi's father's company, Ashwin being Jhanvi's husband, should be entitled to half of it. Jhanvi doesn't seem to be completely stupid and it was shown that she wanted to go back to Ashwin. So, I think there is more than what meets the eye😉

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