The curious case of Maya Mehrotra : PSYCHOPATH or not?? - Page 2

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I need time to read this😳
M bming this thread for now😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: dhrishti_

@.annihilation. : *bows down to you* HOLY MOLY, did I just read what seems like a 3000+ word analysis based on a fictional character that is mostly confined to the existence of one mere year? I think it was much needed to clarify the concept of psychopathy, considering a huge part of the show is based on it. This isn't an analysis, this is a thesis, like the ones you need to do a PhD, yeah, that kind of thesis. I wasn't convinced that Maya is a psychopath, truly, I didn't want to admit it, but now I think it's pretty darn clear. I sincerely hope the show focuses on Maya's condition and further explains her behaviour, actions and personality instead of just terming her as 'ill' or suffering from a 'mental disorder', that'd be quite a disappointment, but at least now we have this post to hold onto. Oh yes, thanks for this post, I'm positive I'll come back and refer to it a lot in the 5(ish) months the show has left.


@---Khushi--- : Thanks for having shared this gem here, if not for you, I probably wouldn't have ever come across this dissection of psychopathy.


Goodness gracious, that's quite a lot of generous feedback. 😳 Thank you so much! 🤗 I'm elated that my efforts paid off and more than anything else, the fact that it makes sense to people is my biggest reward for this work. Yes, I'm aware it transcended the boundaries of an analysis 🤣 but I'm glad that it did because even though this was a lot of work, I enjoyed doing it. 😳 Just a word of caution though, I'd like if anyone who reads this takes it as solely an analysis/character thesis than a professional diagnosis.


I honestly don't expect that much from the show, something tells me they'll probably take the easier way out and not officially address or acknowledge her conditions/disorders in the show.


Originally posted by: Darciny

Brilliantly analyzed post!! I don't have anything else to add since your post exhaustively covers all points.

But I fear that, in the end, the cvs might take up an easy route, and may just term her as mentally ill instead of explaining what exactly Maya suffers from. Similar thing happened in Gone Girl, but there it didn't really matter, cause it was just a 2 hour movie which you could watch and get over it quickly. But in Beyhadh's case, we are devoting so much of our time and energy into it, that we would feel cheated if there weren't any proper explanations for Maya's character. Especially if they are planning to redeem her in the end. I really hope that the cvs realize that their show is being watched by a matured audience and that those viewers do deserve a proper explanation.


Thanks, Darciny! 😳 Yes, that's exactly what I feel as well. It was much easier to watch Gone Girl because like you said, its a movie, you watch and then you forget. But having to put up with show of n number of episodes and watch it not do any justice is indeed disappointing to say the least.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Husna...mere post par bhi chaar shabd tapka de, please...😭
Tere jitni nahi, par maine bhi mehnat ki Hai...😉😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Husna...mere post par bhi chaar shabd tapka de, please...😭

Tere jitni nahi, par maine bhi mehnat ki Hai...😉😆


I was just going through it. Mehnat mehnat hoti hai and I value hardwork. ❤️ Let me read it completely and then I'll thoko my 4 shabd. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

If we assume that Maya is indeed a psychopath, here are certain facts about psychopaths...

1) We all have often wondered how Maya manages to manipulate people & make them do what she wants them to...well, here's an insight into what could be the reason for that...

"There are two kinds of empathy," says James Falpsychopathlon, a neuroscientist at the University of California and author of The Psychopath Inside: A Neuroscientist's Personal Journey into the Dark Side of the Brain. "Cognitive empathy is the ability to know what other people are feeling, and emotional empathy is the kind where you feel what they're feeling."

Autistic people can be very empathetic - they feel other people's pain - but are less able to recognise the cues we read easily, the smiles and frowns that tell us what someone is thinking. Psychopaths are often the opposite: they know what you're feeling, but don't feel it themselves. "This all gives certain psychopaths a great advantage, because they can understand what you're thinking, it's just that they don't care, so they can use you against yourself." (Chillingly, psychopaths are particularly adept at detecting vulnerability. A 2008 study that asked participants to remember virtual characters found that those who scored highly for psychopathy had a near perfect recognition for sad, unsuccessful females, but impaired memory for other characters.)


2) We have often wondered why she hasn't been treated as yet...here's the probable reason...

"Psychopathy is probably the most pleasant-feeling of all the mental disorders," says the journalist Jon Ronson, whose book, The Psychopath Test, explored the concept of psychopathy and the mental health industry in general. "All of the things that keep you good, morally good, are painful things: guilt, remorse, empathy." Fallon agrees: "Psychopaths can work very quickly, and can have an apparent IQ higher than it really is, because they're not inhibited by moral concerns."

So psychopaths often welcome their condition, and "treating" them becomes complicated. "How many psychopaths go to a psychiatrist for mental distress, unless they're in prison? It doesn't happen," says Hare. The ones in prison, of course, are often required to go to "talk therapy, empathy training, or talk to the family of the victims" - but since psychopaths don't have any empathy, it doesn't work. "What you want to do is say, Look, it's in your own self-interest to change your behaviour, otherwise you'll stay in prison for quite a while.'"




THIS IS GOOD STUFF! Thanks for point out these two clauses as they're like a second part to my thesis. We covered what her conditions/disorders could be and what's the next stage? The ones your post covers.


Maya does seem to have the ability to see, realise and acknowledge others pain; cognitive empathy. However, she doesn't feel for them as it doesn't personally affect her or evoke any emotions in her.; emotional empathy.


Yes, this could be one solid reason as to why she hasn't been 'cured' or cannot possible be 'cured'. She prizes her brains and takes a pride in the way it functions. Like, one of her dialogues recently put that in perspective, 'maine pyaar mein dil khoya hai, akkal ab bhi wahi hai', or something along the same lines (I don't remember the exact words) So, she doesn't realise that there's something about her brain that doesn't function right. She seems aware of her sach, of her condition, of her beyhadhness but the key aspect is, self awareness is different from self acceptance. When a person doesn't see that something's broken, there's absolutely no way they'll see that it needs to be fixed.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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WOW HUSNA AND KHUSHI😳
This post is GOLD😳
Jus bang on points there both of u👏

Husna - I always love ur posts such clear cut analysis..kudos to ur hardwork..so many references And can't agree more..after reading all the references u have made its quite clear that Maya shows tendencies of psychopath...but as few mentioned above we won't be able to see this in the show as most probably they wil go the easier way only...

Khushi - thanks for posting 🤗

I SO LOVE READING BOTH OF YOUR POSTS☺️
Keep them coming 😳


P.S - coming to this forum after a long tym 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh and just a head's up. The reason I cited references along with my analysis was because I'd like anyone who reads it to go through the references as well so that you don't have to consider my word without a reading or some research on your own. If you have gone through the reference 3 ,you'll know that the Hare's PCL-R isn't just a yes/no checklist. A professional/qualified clinician/examiners/experts are the ones who score the subjects/patients on the list. And thus, I merely checked off the parameters on the list based on whether they qualify in Maya's case or not. I didn't personally score it a 0, 1, or 2 because I don't think I'm qualified enough to do that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.

Oh and just a head's up. The reason I cited references along with my analysis was because I'd like anyone who reads it to go through the references as well so that you don't have to consider my word without a reading or some research on your own. If you have gone through the reference 3 ,you'll know that the Hare's PCL-R isn't just a yes/no checklist. A professional/qualified clinician/examiners/experts are the ones who score the subjects/patients on the list. And thus, I merely checked off the parameters on the list based on whether they qualify in Maya's case or not. I didn't personally score it a 0, 1, or 2 because I don't think I'm qualified enough to do that.


Add this in the original post so as to avoid confusion.




And
Despite not being in the field, you've done a tremendously amazing job at this and we need more people like you to create awareness and debunk the common myths related to it.
I'm deeply gratified by your willingness to put efforts and your thirst for knowledge.
The discussion I had with you was the most healthy and peaceful one here till date.
Glad that happened.
Thank you!


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada


Add this in the original post so as to avoid confusion.

And
Despite not being in the field, you've done a tremendously amazing job at this and we need more people like you to create awareness and debunk the common myths related to it.
I'm deeply gratified by your willingness to put efforts and your thirst for knowledge.
The discussion I had with you was the most healthy and peaceful one here till date.
Glad that happened.
Thank you!



I'll ask the TM of this topic to add that part whenever she comes on. I'm equally glad that there are efforts being made by everyone to try and understand mental health issues better. Whatever Maya may be, she's at the end of the day, a fictional character. But then, a fictional character is causing us all to read, know and understand better. Something good is coming out of this show, at least. 😆 So, thank you as well! 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow this is bloody brilliant. Well done Husna, and thank you Khushi for posting this!

Husna, you've clearly put a lot of work in this and honestly, it's a brilliant piece of writing. Especially for a viewer like me who started watching the show mid-day and recently. You've essentially summed up Maya's behaviour and psyche categorically in the context of psychopathy. Anyways as someone who finds Maya's character fascinating, this was very interesting to read so thank you for putting in the effort to produce this writing.

P.S. Not even joking bro, I picture you as someone who gets A+ in all your uni/college/HS assignments and essays 😆

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