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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ sumz_d
That's what I did. Not assume anything.
Neither did I assume maya's smile meant she's a criminal. Nor did I assume the key theory. I just asked the very basic non assumed question, do you think ayaan broke the cameras? If yes, when? How? If no, why did maya break them given that other than them no one had anything to do with the cameras.?
This is the most basic question leaving behind any assumption at all. Because if you can point out a single moment when Ayaan could've done that, I would keep shut understanding that yes there's a possibility of everything being not framed up at all.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Saanjh lost the case because she wasn't prepared to counter the factual evidences that went against Ayan in this case- cctv, medical report and eyewitness. When she narrated the whole incident she had no proof. If she thought or knew that Maye broke cameras she should have brought up the point right then. Second big mistake she did was assuming about med examination that too with so much confidence ( still remember that smirk). She knew Maya was assaulted by Ayaan, not raped unless Ayaan told her a complete false story..Then why would Maya not go for med exam? Her mistake was to try and base the entire case on one point- Maya is capable of lying and manipulating because she is a psycho. If she had fought the case to counter Maya's claim/ misunderstanding that Ayan tried to rape her and instead limited her arguements to make this a case of physical assault and intimidation only then Ayaan would have got less severe punishment.. Because what Ayaan did was wrong and punishable and evidences were against him.. Now Saanjh's arguments seem to suggest just the opposite..that Ayaan is completely innocent ( which he's not) and Maya staged everything ( again not true in my opinion ). Again eyewitness.. she had said Maya tripped Ayaan n made him fall so then why did she refrain Samay to appear in court? Big mistake..Afterall he only saw Ayaan on top of Maya which could have been explained. By influencing the only eyewitness, she lost credibility and hence the case.
Edited by MistyDawn - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: Penfolk

@ sumz_d

That's what I did. Not assume anything.
Neither did I assume maya's smile meant she's a criminal. Nor did I assume the key theory. I just asked the very basic non assumed question, do you think ayaan broke the cameras? If yes, when? How? If no, why did maya break them given that other than them no one had anything to do with the cameras.?
This is the most basic question leaving behind any assumption at all. Because if you can point out a single moment when Ayaan could've done that, I would keep shut understanding that yes there's a possibility of everything being not framed up at all.



Precisely! Thats what I am saying. They didn't show anything about the cctv cameras. They didn't show who broke it either.

But I see people are already assuming that Maya broke it. That's why as I said we must wait and watch before concluding anything.

And now I rest my case.

Edited by sumz_d - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#64
@sumz
You are talking abt cameras like thing which may considered as doubt.

But when these people assume things like maya murdered pundit in Mauritius, maya murdered ashwin, maya did this, that.. etc they assume everything & blame maya for it.
And even if she smiled that becomes crime according to this people 😆
The nonsense assumptions they put on maya is never ending.

Sanjh was simply for personal revenge with maya in court but bcz of her ayan had to go through the punishment nw.



Edited by Nithunavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Saanjh fought the case poorly because she was emotionally overwhelmed. All those pent up emotions came out in the wrong place. She was unable to present evidence or counter the prosecution's points effectively.
I do not think she committed a crime by requesting Samay to stay away. Had she issued threats or locked him up somewhere, it would have been different, but all she did was request him. Would have been better to be a bit crafty and present him as her witness. He did end up saying that Ayan was not forcing himself upon Maya. This could have been used to argue a case for assault as against rape.
Edited by DriftInfinitely - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: S.Stephy

If Saanjh had tied up Samay or something and prevented him from coming, then it can be called a crime. But here she just told him not to come. The ultimate choice was with Samay and more importantly, on the prosecution's side because they can always send a summon, which Samay will not be able to refuse. What Saanjh did can be called a mistake or even her foolishness.

Ultimately, with or without Samay, Saanjh's case was already weak only because the case itself was very tricky. On one hand, it is an attempt to rape case and the other hand, Ayaan had a tussle with Maya for the keys. All this makes the whole thing ambiguous. The only thing that could have proved Ayaan innocent would be a clear indication that Maya was framing Ayaan falsely. And there was no concrete proof for this.


It is a crime to ask a witness to stay away. It comes under obstruction of justice and legal action can be taken against her for this. If she did that then that also means she wasn't completely right morally and has disrespected her profession.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Saanjh is moral queen. She asked the key eye witness to stay away and I completely agree to Astha it comes under the obstruction of justice and legal action. After asking Samay to stay away she comes and proclaims where I am there is truth. Really. If she was so sure of the truth, she shouldnt have made Samay stay away. If she had done that atleast have the courtesy not to claim moral high ground.
If she has to call Maya giri hui aurat, she should have put Samay on the witness stand. Her arguments dont hold water after asking the key eye witness to stay away. It is not about what Samay saw. It is about " he saw".

Yes Saanjh's ethical crime is more than that of Maya. Maya is a layman, Saanjh is a lawyer. If you have power, if you have knowledge and if you misuse the knowledge to obstruse the justice then you are more a criminal than a layman and your punishment will be more than that of a layman. Because if you use your power to do such things many Maya's will be born.

Maya itself have a FB where she is beaten up for going to police station. It is the denial of justice that creates many criminals. So if you are with the law enforcing agencies any part of it police, lawyer, judge you have to play by the book.

If Saanjh had played by the book and lost I would have had more respect for her. But then she fought unethically and lost. If you are a protoganist no matter what first attack it has to be by the book. You can fail there and then use tedha methods, but first attack is always by book, which Saanjh failed terribly.

One more thing for all the crimes of Maya ( the ones she has done and ones that is assumed) I have seen her trying to take the direct path first. Whether with Vandana and then with Saanjh. But in reply what she get is tedha method and she uses tedha method.

Whereas in court case Saanjh used tedha method just like that and claimed where I am truth is there.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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^^ oh really? What was the direct method Maya used to keep Arjun away from Ayaan? Can u elaborate? What was the direct method Maya used to keep Arjun tied to her? Oh yeah, she literally tied him 😆


Edited by lumos_31 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: lumos_31

^^ oh really? What was the direct method Maya used to keep Arjun away from Ayaan? Can u elaborate? What was the direct method Maya used to keep Arjun tied to her? Oh yeah, she literally tied him 😆




Ouch how can u say that, Maya is a layman😆 so she can kill, threaten, tie up anyone, fake rape and do n number of crimes but still she is a mentally ill Devi who can't be blamed. Layman can do anything, even kill but lawyers should be always ethically & morally right. They can never do wrong
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Yes if a lawyer claims truth is where I am then that lawyer has to be ethically 100% correct. No tedha method is expected from such a lawyer. Else just fight the case for what it is. I only told Saanjh cannot claim morality after asking the eye witness not to come. In cases like that of Maya usually the protoganist plays the game straight and fails, then start using tedha methods. Here at first go itself she asked Samay not to come thus losing the moral high ground.

You cant expect straight Maya in season 2. But she was in season 1 when she tried to adapt to Arjun family and VM insulted her and Saanjh broke her trust. Yes she goes tedha when her direct methods are not approved.

I dont know whether you have watched Ek Hasina Thi by the same PH. Male protoganist was Dev Goenka. Many forum members were telling why he is not using tedha methods. At that time I had told he is a protoganist, he has to play straight, fail and then only use tedha. That is the difference of protagonist and antagonist.

Protoganist always plays straight first and even while using tedha methods the thin line of dharma-adharma needs to be maintained for protagonist to differentiate him/ her from antagonist . That is what a good script is.
Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago

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