An unbiased post: The case

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I normally don't start posts, but in this one case, I really wanted to. I am making myself clear that I am nobody's fan, be it character or actor, so please, no bashing or name calling.
The case was always standing on two stones: Maya is innocent or Maya is not innocent. What I believe Saanjh did wrong was not study the entire situation, but rather focus on Maya herself. She did prove Maya mad, very true, but how would that help the case? The case was attempt to rape, even a mad woman has the right to decide what happens to her body, exactly what Maya said. Now Saanjh believing Ayaan is not wrong, if someone comes and accuses your neighbour, a friend, of a heinous crime like this, even you won't believe it and try and help prove that, so she isn't wrong there. The only wrong she did was assume everything, rather than check the facts.

I am annoyed at whoever wrote Saanjh's dialogues for these scenes, she does come off as a woman who cannot respect other woman, exactly what the judge said. But again, that is because they made her dialogues sound like it was OK to even physically, screw sexually, assault a "mad", "manipulative" woman. It can be devil re-incarnate herself, and yet it won't be right to tear her clothes for any reason, even an "innocent" one like getting keys.

The problem with the entire "Mehra" and "Sharma" family, including Maya, is that they assume stuff, and when stuff does not go the way they thought it will, it is always somebody else's fault. Saanjh would probably blame Samay for her loss and paint Maya as evil in front of them, not admitting that she assumed stuff and didn't investigate fully, even though she broke the law by asking an eye witness to vanish. Ayaan could have gone a million different ways in this scene, but it is Maya's fault if he fell into her trap, IF it was one. He could have asked his brother why he insulted Ma all those years ago also, he was a brother, had full right to question him, but no, it was bhai and Maya's fault. If Saanjh's mum was so convinced of Maya's evilness, why didn't she confront Arjun about slapping her daughter, or if was convinced Saanjh was wrong, why not ask her directly rather than assuming Maya's words, but no, it was again Maya's fault! Vandana assumed Maya was evil because of Ashwin, she didn't bother confronting Maya about everything, questioning her without calling her bad names, again Maya's fault! Arjun, as a 6 year old, right after his mum's death, believed people saying Vandana killed his mum, right soon after which she married his father, so hates her, and it's Arjun's fault for being a gullible naive kid, not Vandana's for never really asking him if he would like his favourite aunty to be his mum!

This is what Maya also plays with, and how is that wrong? If you were in her place, you will probably sit and explain to your husband, because maybe you don't have the manipulation streak, but if you know these people will never question each other and take everything on face value, would you not wanna get rid of the clingy friend or the mother who curses you and celebrates a glass cutting your foot? Am not on Maya's side, but just surprised how everything is everyone's fault in this serial, except their own! Even Maya, she knew Arjun loved the high life and was clingy to his best friend, and yet, when he did embarrass her by doing exactly that, it was Saanjh's fault and not hers to get married to such a guy, when she knew it!!

Ok I am done ranting! Sorry for the long post!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Superb post!
The fact is in this show all are hypocrites. And because of this Maya was pushed to get rid of Arjun's family. Maya had tried her level best to win Vm's heart and be accepted but no the haughty lady didn't budge instead she insulted Maya more. Another thing is that Arjun had taken a vow from Maya not to ever talk about the Sharmas, not to ever return in that family. But conveniently Arjun forgot everything.

Saanjh blaming Maya for the bhaang was right but Maya didn't control Saanjh's behaviour. It was Saanjh's real self that had come out after the bhaang. But then again Saanjh easily blamed Maya for the bhaang but not once she found her own actions wrong in any way. Saanjh clinging to Arjun and dancing closely was nothing wrong according to her. Her wanting to apply colour on Arjun first was also right for her. Not once she thought that since Arjun is married now that her dosti should be in limits and let Maya and Arjun enjoy their holi.

There are many many such instances where these characters don't ever see their own mistake rather blame it on others.

Maya's biggest mistake was that she allowed Arjun in her heart. She was better off before she had met Arjun.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Woww post...i agreed with each and every of urs.
A logical post
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Your post reeks of bias, despite the disclaimer at the start.

"But again, that is because they made her dialogues sound like it was OK to even physically, screw sexually, assault a "mad", "manipulative" woman."

Yes, it is okay to assault anyone if it is absolutely necessary. If my brother was abducted, and his kidnapper was in front of me, then they wouldn't be left with a ripped sleeve, but with a couple of broken bones. If that went to court, and I was able to prove that I did it in order to rescue my brother (who was drugged and tied up against his will), then I am sure I would be let off. The problem in Ayan's case is that his brother is a liar who has a very short attention span.

"Saanjh would probably blame Samay for her loss and paint Maya as evil in front of them, not admitting that she assumed stuff and didn't investigate fully,"

Instead of hand-waving, why not elaborate on what she wrongly assumed?

"If Saanjh's mum was so convinced of Maya's evilness, why didn't she confront Arjun about slapping her daughter, or if was convinced Saanjh was wrong, why not ask her directly rather than assuming Maya's words, but no, it was again Maya's fault! "

If someone slapped your daughter, why would you go asking for detailed clarification? Clutching at straws here.

"right soon after which she married his father, so hates her, and it's Arjun's fault for being a gullible naive kid, not Vandana's for never really asking him if he would like his favourite aunty to be his mum! "

You want her to ask a 6 year old if he should marry his father? You are overestimating the intelligence of 6 year olds.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Great post!

I think the problem with the show is that everybody has their own less-than-honorable agendas. Be it Sharmas, Mehrotras or the Maathurs. To get what they want, they can go to any lengths. Nobody respects anybody. Each and every character is mental and a control freak. Maya is simply insane, wants to control everybody. Arjun wanted to control his destiny and career, but he lost control of his life to Maya and that bus him big-time. Vandana wanted to control her son's life. Saanj was a clingy non-girlfriend to Arjun. Now, she is trying to control Samay (I mean asking him not to attend court!) Except, Samay wants to be in control of Maya willingly. So, I guess he is a reverse-control-freak?! Ayan wanted to control the situation with Maya and Arjun, instead he lost all his control and we still don't know what he is or isn't guilty of.

Long story short, everyone is mad in the show. I blame it on the writers. They leave things so ambiguous. We can't condemn anyone nor can we defend anyone with certainty. Too many plot-holes. Its like they don't even know what is going on.

Also, I agree that the characters assume a lot. They make themselves blind to the realities and only see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: PlainJane

Great post!

I think the problem with the show is that everybody has their own less-than-honorable agendas. Be it Sharmas, Mehrotras or the Maathurs. To get what they want, they can go to any lengths. Nobody respects nobody. Each and every character is mental and a control freak. Maya is simply insane, wants to control everybody. Arjun wanted to control his destiny and career, but he lost control of his life to Maya and that bus him big-time. Vandana wanted to control her son's life. Saanj was a clingy non-girlfriend to Arjun. Now, she is trying to control Samay (I mean asking him not to attend court!) Except, Samay wants to be in control of Maya willingly. So, I guess he is a reverse-control-freak?! Ayan wanted to control the situation with Maya and Arjun, instead he lost all his control and we still don't know what he is or isn't guilty of.

Long story short, everyone is mad in the show. I blame it on the writers. They leave things so ambiguous. We can't condemn anyone nor can we defend anyone with certainty. Too many plot-holes. Its like they don't even know what is going on.

Also, I agree that the characters assume a lot. They make themselves blind to the realities and only see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.


Wanting to control your destiny and your career makes you a control freak?

Vandana wanted to save his son's life from destruction. Unfortunately, she wasn't able to do that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: HippoSucks


Wanting to control your destiny and your career makes you a control freak?

Vandana wanted to save his son's life from destruction. Unfortunately, she wasn't able to do that.


I am just saying Arjun is very ambitious. Please don't put words in my mouth. Maybe he is not a control freak, but he did want to control his destiny. I remember the first episode when he is describing how he wants to be at the top of the world. Its fine to be ambitious. But, in his quest to control his destiny, he played right into Maya's hands and lost control of his life. Yes, he didn't know what kind of a manipulative person she is, but it doesn't matter. He assumed his life with the rich Maya Mehrotra would be bed of roses. So, he went into it with all his high and mighty assumptions. He didn't even know her enough to love her. Now he is paying for it.

Vandana didn't even know Maya when she immediately took a dislike to her. All she cared about was the fact that Arjun didn't marry Saanj. Arjun is an adult, he can choose whoever he wants to spend his life with. Vandana tried her level best to impose her likes on him. Neither Vandana nor Maya has the right to control Arjun.

They all assume they are doing what is best for Arjun. They should all stop assuming.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: PlainJane


I am just saying Arjun is very ambitious. Please don't put words in my mouth. Maybe he is not a control freak, but he did want to control his destiny. I remember the first episode when he is describing how he wants to be at the top of the world. Its fine to be ambitious. But, in his quest to control his destiny, he played right into Maya's hands and lost control of his life. Yes, he didn't know what kind of a manipulative person she is, but it doesn't matter. He assumed his life with the rich Maya Mehrotra would be bed of roses. Now he is paying for it.

Vandana didn't even know Maya when she immediately took a dislike to her. All she cared about was the fact that Arjun didn't marry Saanj. Arjun is an adult, he can choose whoever he wants to spend his life with. Vandana tried her level best to impose her likes on him. Neither Vandana nor Maya has the right to control Arjun.

They all assume they are doing what is best for Arjun. They should all stop assuming.


You are the one who said

"Each and every character is mental and a control freak."

I don't think he married her because he wanted to live a lavish lifestyle and become wealthy. He was genuinely in love with her and wasn't aware that she was manipulative and a criminal.

When Vandana initially met Maya, she didn't have a problem with her (except that she was obviously a little upset since she knew how Sanjh felt for Arjun). It was after learning more about Maya that she disliked her.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: HippoSucks


You are the one who said

"Each and every character is mental and a control freak."

I don't think he married her because he wanted to live a lavish lifestyle and become wealthy. He was genuinely in love with her and wasn't aware that she was manipulative and a criminal.

When Vandana initially met Maya, she didn't have a problem with her (except that she was obviously a little upset since she knew how Sanjh felt for Arjun). It was after learning more about Maya that she disliked her.


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On that score, we will have to agree to disagree. I am entitled to my own opinion and I am not romantic enough to assume that he married her because he suddenly decided that he couldn't live without her. He liked the fact that she was crazy about him. It also helps that she is rich and beautiful. Now he can't deal with her craziness.

As for Vandana, she didn't try enough. She was always very obvious about how she wanted Saanj as her daughter-in-law and not Maya.

I am not justifying Maya's actions and never will. I just like to watch how calculative and manipulative she is. I enjoy her the most because every other character (apart from Samay) irks me. Hate me all you want and I will love whatever I want. To each their own, right! Peace.

Edited by PlainJane - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: HippoSucks

Your post reeks of bias, despite the disclaimer at the start.


"But again, that is because they made her dialogues sound like it was OK to even physically, screw sexually, assault a "mad", "manipulative" woman."

Yes, it is okay to assault anyone if it is absolutely necessary. If my brother was abducted, and his kidnapper was in front of me, then they wouldn't be left with a ripped sleeve, but with a couple of broken bones. If that went to court, and I was able to prove that I did it in order to rescue my brother (who was drugged and tied up against his will), then I am sure I would be let off. The problem in Ayan's case is that his brother is a liar who has a very short attention span.

"Saanjh would probably blame Samay for her loss and paint Maya as evil in front of them, not admitting that she assumed stuff and didn't investigate fully,"

Instead of hand-waving, why not elaborate on what she wrongly assumed?

"If Saanjh's mum was so convinced of Maya's evilness, why didn't she confront Arjun about slapping her daughter, or if was convinced Saanjh was wrong, why not ask her directly rather than assuming Maya's words, but no, it was again Maya's fault! "

If someone slapped your daughter, why would you go asking for detailed clarification? Clutching at straws here.

"right soon after which she married his father, so hates her, and it's Arjun's fault for being a gullible naive kid, not Vandana's for never really asking him if he would like his favourite aunty to be his mum! "

You want her to ask a 6 year old if he should marry his father? You are overestimating the intelligence of 6 year olds.


I wasn't biased, but still clarifying:
The broken bones comment, agreed, but can you even imagine the number of guys who will come up with similar "reasons" just to justify their assaults? And forget that, if you did that, you will admit in court and say it was self defence, not continue screaming you did nothing and everything is a lie, despite your lawyer admitting that you did it to get the keys. Ayaan didn't even once agree it was for his brother's defence.

As for case, Saanjh assumed that Maya won't get the medical. She assumed that the other lawyer won't remember the key eye-witness and asked Samay to leave. If she was as pure as she believes she is, she would have twisted it around later that it was the created scene that he saw, the way she did with what really happened, Ayaan falling due to a kick.

If someone slapped me, I see my mother asking me what happened, not just saying it was my friend's fault, because that would be biased, and no judgement can be given on that. But maybe that's more personal with my mum.

And as for the kid, you except someone who has hated you for 6 years to learn to love you just because you let him be a spoiled child? That's no way of bringing up a kid. Have you ever been angry at your mum when you were little? Over chocolates or toys? I remember being so and I remember her seating me down and explaining our circumstances, expanding my intelligence at that age. This wasn't overestimation of his intelligence, but rather open relationship which won't have made him feel like he was forced into something!

Sorry if I offended you in any way, but I don't like being called a hypocrite.

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