Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131 - Page 44

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Posted: 8 years ago
Guys noticed one interesting thing. Not sure how much symbolic. In Samay and Saanjh scene Saanjh is wearing yellow and it is Suman who puts the hand cuffs on them. So is that Saanjh treats Samay a friend, but then her parents believe he is her bf.
When Saanjh comes to meet Arjun she is in red or you can say bright orange. And Maya comes in between. So is it Saanjh's perception that Maya has come between Arjun and her love. I will call it only perception as before Arya confessed Arjun had no clue of Saanjh love and there was no indication from his side that he loved her.

Between the red heart and yellow flowers Samay bought Maya choose yellow flowers. That's the truth. Maya can take red flowers only from Arjun, if any other man comes what she can offer is friendship only.

Saanjh if her real feeling to her so called bf is friendship and her real feeling to her so called friend is love at this point she is not ethical because Arjun is another woman's husband
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Posted: 8 years ago
@shruti I kind of have my doubts regarding what you said, about Saanjh's credibility towards her actions.

It is just a theory but if you go in depth and realise Saanjh's view on psychological issues, when she gets to know that Maya is a patient of depression, she behaves as if Maya is a criminal. Then again in court, rather than stating Maya has psychological or mental illness she states "pagal aurat". Why would she do that?
Answer: Mindset, upbringing, thought process

Suman and Prem are great parents yet one cannot vouch for their understanding of psychiatrical aspects of humans. What if Saanjh had a childhood incident or a problem which was neglected, something they thought was either not of much importance or they thought they dealt with it but they actually didn't.

It is just a theory with no base, but I find it strange, Saanjh losing all her rationality, respect, logic and ethics when around Arjun seems odd to me. It is almost like Maya's just on a smaller scale.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@aditi - I agree with everything you said except I can't find Saanjh mahaan or good at all. I can't even compare her with other actual and real mahaan female leads. I have liked Geet, Jodha, and few others, so it's not like I can't like Mahaan or actual white characters. Even if those real mahaan characters were too good to be real, they were rarely hypocrites and wrong. Even those few times of their hypocrisy were not to the extreme levels like Saanjh's where at least one episode doesn't pass without her hypocrisy and wrongs. Those characters were never evil. They never tried to wreck a couple's house or said let the girl die and let her heart break just because that girl liked that same guy you liked and dared to propose him. And no, she didn't just say in anger. She meant it because when later suman also says he should've let her die, she again didn't say anything at all to stop her meaning she didn't care and meant when she had said the same earlier. That's why I didn't feel bad for her to have a heartbreak because she wished this exact thing on Maya saying let her heart break in love.

Sometimes I think if the writers spent all time or most of their to focus writing Maya's character that they forgot to write other characters well because Jenny keep saying how they were worried if audience will accept Maya's character and how then writers had to spent a lot of time on Mayas character. So it's either the writers were busy focusing on Maya's character because they knew it was complex, so they had to spend time to make sure it gets accepted by audience especially since it's female lead character as grey. While for others they thought they will be so called good and will be accepted anyway by the audience, so they didn't think they needed time to spend on other characters. Either this is the reason OR they made saanjh and Vandana's characters poor on purpose and made their characters having extreme wrongs or evils under the fake mahaanta just so Maya looks better in comparison and/or Maya is seen justified in her actions. Even Arjun's character is no better except that he doesn't pretend mahaanta at least. He too is flirticious, has extremely inappropriate physical closeness with saanhj under the disguise of friendship, etc all which again makes Maya's justified in her actions as a wife.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Darling when aditi talked about mahan characters she didnt mean the real mahan characters, she meant the many hypocrite mahan characters only 😆😆. That was sarcastic comment from her.Classic example for me is Sandhya Rathi of Diya Aur Batti hum.
For me a protoganist has to be justified in a good script. That was what they did with Sakshi and Durga where they maintained the thin line of good and bad. There is more to Saanjh than what meets the eye

@manya I have my theories about Saanjh, because as you rightly said her certain vibes are not at all positive for me. Maya is manipulative, but still I can feel for her. I cant feel for Saanjh. Yesterday Samay said the truth in Saanjh eyes and I was like " where " let me see. Either it doesnt exist or Aneri as an actress is failing me 😆😆
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Darling_

@aditi - I agree with everything you said except I can't find Saanjh mahaan or good at all. I can't even compare her with other actual and real mahaan female leads. I have liked Geet, Jodha, and few others, so it's not like I can't like Mahaan or actual white characters. Even if those real mahaan characters were too good to be real, they were rarely hypocrites and wrong. Even those few times of their hypocrisy were not to the extreme levels like Saanjh's where at least one episode doesn't pass without her hypocrisy and wrongs. Those characters were never evil. They never tried to wreck a couple's house or said let the girl die and let her heart break just because that girl liked that same guy you liked and dared to propose him. And no, she didn't just say in anger. She meant it because when later suman also says he should've let her die, she again didn't say anything at all to stop her meaning she didn't care and meant when she had said the same earlier. That's why I didn't feel bad for her to have a heartbreak because she wished this exact thing on Maya saying let her heart break in love.

Sometimes I think if the writers spent all time or most of their to focus writing Maya's character that they forgot to write other characters well because Jenny keep saying how they were worried if audience will accept Maya's character and how then writers had to spent a lot of time on Mayas character. So it's either the writers were busy focusing on Maya's character because they knew it was complex, so they had to spend time to make sure it gets accepted by audience especially since it's female lead character as grey. While for others they thought they will be so called good and will be accepted anyway by the audience, so they didn't think they needed time to spend on other characters. Either this is the reason OR they made saanjh and Vandana's characters poor on purpose and made their characters having extreme wrongs or evils under the fake mahaanta just so Maya looks better in comparison and/or Maya is seen justified in her actions. Even Arjun's character is no better except that he doesn't pretend mahaanta at least. He too is flirticious, has extremely inappropriate physical closeness with saanhj under the disguise of friendship, etc all which again makes Maya's justified in her actions as a wife.


Hehe I didn't use mahaan as a good quality here. 😆
The FLs u are talking about are few of the best written FLs...
As u said Jodha was mahaan/great in real sense, hence I call her righteous.
Geet was righteous

Saanjh is self righteous. As in Sanctimonious. Or hypocritical white not fully white character.
Many shows have such characters as the main lead. Nd it's very painful to watch such shows or connect to such characters. 😆 though I have seen many ppl liking such characters as well 😊
But on the same time as I said , she's not a home wrecker, atleast for me. Saanjh had crossed her line only during Holi eps n now court case. Otherwise she's ok for me. She did try genuinely to stay away from.ArYa after their marriage. So yes she tries, but due to her subconscious addiction or temptation towards Arjun she ends up standing btw ArYa. In s1 I thought her intension is not to go btw ArYa. but somehow ends up in inducing the very obvious insecurities in Maya.

Also she's one who will let arjun away with all his faults. Like when Arjun came close to her to kiss her in the bar, if it wasn't Arjun she would have slapped the man, but since it's Arjun she lets him do so... But then she realizes n backs off.. in short a very weak character. Also I don't think her love for Arjun is true love. It's more sort of blind worship that too for a wrong guy.

But in S2 sply in court case I could see her love lurk looks, so yes she wants Arjun to separate from Maya intensionally, hence she lost even after being on right side. So maybe now she'll be using manipulations n lose her innocence, which the Pandit said.


Bold- This even I feel ...

Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@aditi in season 1 I had not felt her to be an intentional home wrecker. But season 2 she is giving me strange vibes, especially after court case. Innocence losing is there, remember the brinjal Maya burned in the stove when she called Saanjh for dinner. That's what perception does to you.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Arjun has to see the truth of Maya. Can we move away from this please Saanjh. Ayan needs justice. Are you aware he is punished in wrong category. Proof has to be taken to prove him guilty of physical assault and intimidation only, if not if you want to prove him innocent, proof has to be for that. But what to do. Arjun ki Moh Maya is on your head.So Vandana and Saanjh played it well. See how my sympathy was misplaced. Falling at Arjun's feet was all plan. But is Saanjh and Vandana idiots not to know Maya has CCTV cameras, why in the world she made call to Vandana.

I felt sorry for Suman. She was telling what a son should be what a DIL should be without even realizing their daughter is playing with them. Their daughter is not behaving like their daughter. She is lying to them. Because Prem and Suman are not aware of the risk that is looming over them. Suman told if Arjun comes here Maya will come and if Maya come unhappiness. Their daughter thinks she has only put Vandana in risk, no her whole family is in risk and by the time Suman realizes the truth it is going to be far too late in the game.

Coming to Maya, she knows at least she guesses what Vandana is upto. She is an intelligent lady and is not going to believe Vandana as such and Saanjh too leaving Vandana's hand as such. Jhanvi and Vandana face to face scene was good. two mothers, who should have nurtured, the one who gave birth to Maya failed in answering her questions as Maya says all questions get only one answer. Instead of that buzzer I would say Maya would have only heard Ashwin. And Vandana she spoke, she spoke so much bad words including curses that only aggravated Maya's condition and beliefs in her way of doing things.

I loved the scene where Samay calls Maya. Maya cuts the call and then says she will meet Dr and come. She gives ample time of Arjun's power to play game with him. To tell him take Maa home and then he will know how good bahu Maya is, how bad his Maa is. She is not understanding Arjun knows all that. He doesnt want anyone else to be in trouble and keep him in problem. But no Dusky doesnt understand that.

See Maya doesnt take the call of her power. She calls the power. Her power is time, her power is Ganesha and only she will evoke him. She has not given him right to interfere. But in a way he is interfering, making her call back. Because this game is heavily loaded against Maya. If she has to come through this, even if she doesnt want to answer his call, atleast she will be forced to call back to know what he wants. That's about the metaphor time.

And Maya's power Samay the man is hidden from everyone. No one knows that connection. Saanjh is creating the perception of giving time only to Samay. Samay the man dances with Maya the girl, Samay the metaphor dances with the perception created by Saanjh. Yes it is a dance, the dance of the man and girl will bring light through the darkness created by the dance of metaphor and perception.
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Posted: 8 years ago
So do you think Samay the man will be positive?
How do you think will he bring light to her life?Will he make her understand she is stronger and happier alone?

was samay in the place of arjun earlier?
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Posted: 8 years ago
@poppins I feel Samay the man will bring darkness, but the metaphor Samay will bring her out from darkness. Ideally one more character has to be there. Because medium is missing. Maya today said she will meet doctor. yes time is her doctor, he will treat her and Arjun is her medicine. But how that medicine needs to be taken Samay will prescribe. Overdose or underdose of medicine can kill you
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Posted: 8 years ago
See the game is simple. If you have defeat someone you have to hit at their Achilles heel or in other words you have to know opposite party's defense or power.
Jhanvi and Arjun are Maya's Achillees heel and defense too. But these two are exposed. Samay at this point is her Achilles heel. But none knows their connection, and if Maya has to win the war that connection can be known only when Samay becomes her strength, he becomes her defense, he becomes her power. That's the illusion lifting moment. That's where the dance of illusion and time breaks. And if Maya is going to be the ultimate winner of the war when this happens Saanjh will be in direct line of fire of Maya. Her power would be gone once and for all.

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