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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz


That's fine, but problem is when somebody (not you) tries to justify brutal inhumanity with the excuse of Maya's bad past.

Vandana and Saanjh have wronged her in the past, but that does not justify what Maya did today. No sane mind can justify brutal and inhumane torture, no matter the factors behind it.

Giving justifications such as "Vandana shouldn't have snooped into Maya's room", "Vandana tortured Maya in the past" are just insane. If someone tries to break into your room, you crush their bones and make them bleed while smiling like a sadist? Seriously? 😲

Just WHAT kind of excuse is that?

My shock (alternately, fascination) is directed at the kind of rationale that is being offered to justify Maya and forcibly paint her as a victim to whitewash her sick and deranged actions.

Like Maya said to VM while hurting her wounds, "App kyun mujhse yeh sab karwate hai?"

As in, "Oh poor Maya baby is so innocent, bad people force the poor innocent angelic baby into becoming a monster". That's just messed up.


that's their pov...For them they r not messing it up..Y u ve to worry??
It's jux v see the character diffrently,it's not a mistake right??Every1 opinion can't be same..It's upto the people to decide whether they r correct or not...Enforcing our views or telling them wrong on top of that asking others not to believe some1 words is jux not correct atleast according to me..Its upto individual likings and beliefs.

It's better to appreciate if v like and otherwise don't interfere jux let it go...Every1 pay for their mistake..I ve a heart to support Maya now and I am very much ready to cry when she is going to recieve punishment...I will cry along with Maya,it's jux simple right...Every1 will receive their price for mistake.. but in my wish list,punishment shouldn't end with Maya..every1 of them should be shown mirror...Let's see how it goes
Edited by sunithi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Laska, so answer my question in practical terms.
What will you do if somebody opens your refrigerator? Break their bones? Kill them? Make them scream with pain and bleed them slowly, like Maya did?

I'm sure you won't. At the most, you'll be rude, mean, abusive or you might even slap the person.

But Maya tortured Vandana in a sick, evil and twisted manner. No amount of 'past trauma' or 'Vandana's past mistakes' can justify the bloody inhumanity we saw yesterday.


If a thief breaks into my house, I can slap him and hand him over to the Police, but if I torture him, make him bleed just for fun, then I'm a psychopathic criminal.

Tell me something:

Does sympathizing with Maya's past trauma mean that we have to blindly justify all the disgusting stuff she does? You're even saying that "Maya did not have a choice" but to torture Vandana in that manner. 😕


Edited by krystal_watz - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Laska I ve a feeling duffer may not back stab maya instead he will get lost.once he sees Maya with samay,he might be immediately want his Maya toy back,he will whine lot more..If duffer allies with Saanj,how come VM curses will play out in future..Duffer will get lost in this mess as he already lost his sanity..I am not sure how it will happen but it should happen atleast for So called VM curses.
Edited by sunithi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sunithi

that's their pov...For them they r not messing it up..Y u ve to worry??

It's jux v see the character diffrently,it's not a mistake right??Every1 opinion can't be same..It's upto the people to decide whether they r correct or not...Enforcing our views or telling them wrong on top of that asking others not to believe some1 words is jux not correct atleast according to me..Its upto individual likings and beliefs.

It's better to appreciate if v like and otherwise don't interfere jux let it go...Every1 pay for their mistake..I ve a heart to support Maya now and I am very much ready to cry when she is going to recieve punishment...I will cry along with Maya,it's jux simple right...Every1 will receive their price for mistake.. but in my wish list,punishment shouldn't end with Maya..every1 of them should be shown mirror...Let's see how it goes


Certain things are not subjective.

Torture and inhumanity cannot be justifiable under any circumstance.

If I support rape or pedophilia, terrorism or murder and say, "It's my view that these are not wrong", then people would rightly call me mentally challenged.

Crimes are crimes. You cannot justify crimes in the name of 'different opinion'.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Krystal..It's not sympathizing with Maya. Maya doesn't know any other way to handle people when they break her rules..
She does said that to Arjun,I can't give punishment to you like others instead I will close all the path which r making you to break my rules..

Maya is like this becox of her past..She need abosulte ctrl by crook or hook..Sameway something happened in Arjun past,that's y he is like this,he does know how to ctrl Maya but doesn't know to correct her..

Mostly I feel most of the Maya fans connect with 9yr old maya, who was helpless and has chosen this path..Most of them wants her to correct her mistakes and lead a normal life...

Being Arya fan,I want to know Arjun past also and want him to change for better but not sure it will happen on time or like always he will be too late..
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sunithi

Krystal..It's not sympathizing with Maya. Maya doesn't know any other way to handle people when they break her rules..

She does said that to Arjun,I can't give punishment to you like others instead I will close all the path which r making you to break my rules..

Maya is like this becox of her past..She need abosulte ctrl by crook or hook..Sameway something happened in Arjun past,that's y he is like this,he does know how to ctrl Maya but doesn't know to correct her..

Mostly I feel most of the Maya fans connect with 9yr old maya, who was helpless and has chosen this path..Most of them wants her to correct her mistakes and lead a normal life...

Being Arya fan,I want to know Arjun past also and want him to change for better but not sure it will happen on time or like always he will be too late..


Bold: Wanting this is perfectly fine. But is it necessary to justify her disgusting acts for that? One can sympathize with Maya for her past and want her cured, while condemning her wrong actions.

Justifying her actions and trying to paint them as 'normal' is what I have a problem with.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz


Certain things are not subjective.

Torture and inhumanity cannot be justifiable under any circumstance.

If I support rape or pedophilia, terrorism or murder and say, "It's my view that these are not wrong", then people would rightly call me mentally challenged.

Crimes are crimes. You cannot justify crimes in the name of 'different opinion'.

v can voice out our option but not asking others to believe what v believe..
I am not supporting Maya action and I am very well aware she deserves punishment for what she did but I cannot support or sympathize with VM becox of her past doing and her intentions.according to me VM deserves this and Maya deserve punishment for this.VM did tried killing Maya,jux that Arjun stopped her,if not ????There is always an if with other characters..When it comes to Maya,there is no if and but she jux does...That's what I told,let the story unravel let's see how far other characters goes and I am very much aware how far and extend Maya will go..Maya can't surprise me at all,I can connect with her pain all the time..Let's end yaar...

V ve to wait for 3rd phase,then v might know how far other characters ve gone wrong also..Let's end here..
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Posted: 8 years ago
When did VM try to kill Maya? I cannot recall.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

When did VM try to kill Maya? I cannot recall.

she did came with the knife tried attacking Maya and Arjun stopped her .Then she suffered heart attack..
In this story every one of them is grey,this phase Maya action might look grey and next phase some1 else..I believe Cvcs will justify every one of them showing they all received proper punishment for their doings not only Maya..
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Laska

@tanvismile, stop manipulating

You justify the VM, Dusky, Ayan, Arjun. They committed crimes, but for some reason you don't want them to be punished
But you long for Maya's punishment

What punishment? Aren't they already serving punishment.
Yes, this is not an accidental trauma, but, sorry, VM didn't accidentally come in Maya's room
In society there are elementary laws, you have no right to violate them. And all these people, who are allegedly sane, constantly violate the elementary laws of society
In a strange house their own laws work, and you have no right to violate them. Punishment follows the violation. Punishment that is considered right and fair in the place where the violation was committed.. Not in someone else's head, not in someone else's charter
This is your charter, it works in your home. Maybe at home you go to shoes everywhere. But if you come to someone else's house and it's accepted to take off shoes in this house, please be kind to take off your shoes

Nobody breaks hands for snoping around. Only mad people will do it. You talking like maya. You are justifying her mental behaviour. You are defending the in human behaviour of maya. Maya cannot understand but at least u can understand right.

@sunithi, exactly. That is the problem. I expect this from Maya. If the rest of the people are sane, then they must follow the elementary rules and laws. They should be better than Maya. But I don't see this
The further this show continues, the more they show one simple truth. In this world everyone is mad. Each. Everyone can find an excuse for himself. Everyone can wrap up their terrible actions in a beautiful wrapper of noble intentions
But the intentions that lead to a bad result are bad.
Yes, now the forum is full of sympathy for the VM, but it wasn't full of sympathy when Maya was on her knees in front of the VM. It wasn't full when Dusky tried to kiss Duffer. Wasn't when Dusky pushed Maya off the ladder
All are equal, but someone is more equal. With Maya, you can do whatever you want, because someone does not like her, or she is bad&mad
This not normal
As for Duffer. There came a wild idea of how his punishment might be. I don't know if it's possible. His constant late must be punished by Maya's death. He asked for Maya's life until her last breath. He must take responsibility for this. His constant inactivity and brainlessness must be punished by the fact that when he wants to fight more than anything in the world, he will be taken away from this opportunity. He will be forced to do nothing. From him must be taken time and opportunity

@Fernandes43, yes. I like your approach. It's equal. All must be punished for their actions. Everyone had a choice. Duffer needs to add manhandling and drive to suicide. Maya should also be punished. I don't deny this. She also has what to learn and what to fix

@shruthiravi, exactly. This screaming VM "This is my home, not house of mad Maya" literally stood yesterday the whole episode. VM came to the house of a bad&mad Maya baby. She had to be ready for this
Another remarkable point - Maya asked the VM to go out. Several times she asked VM to admit her mistake. But the VM was hiding. If the VM came out, if she admitted it would not have followed. But, but, but... Nobody wants to admit their mistakes
Oh, Jenny, I'd better keep quiet, otherwise I'll write too many letters again😆 She is gorgeous! Just too gorgeous!
Maya must lose. Maya baby should be punished. But in fact at this point lies the main paradox. Maya must receive punishment so that her eternal punishment is over. In this punishment lies the key to the cell in which Maya is locked



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