WTH kind of behavior was that?? - Page 6

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

I get where you're coming from. I didn't say I don't hold them accountable, I said I don't hold them 'entirely' accountable solely because of two reasons a)incalculable effects of intoxication substance b) Maya's involvement. Had Maya gotten drunk too and behaved the same with any other man, I wouldn't have held her entirely accountable either. Although, I do completely agree that their behaviour/entire sequence was highly inappropriate and distasteful.

@Bold - Exactly. Off late, the episodes, the characters, the narrative, everything is set up, build on, executed in such a manner so as to make look all of Maya's actions 'justified'. This is something I was intending to share in your other posts that the writing is going down the drain with each episode with the writers being utterly confused as to how to sell this groundbreaking idea of a show of theirs. The writing never truly was top-notch but ever since the wedding, it's been getting awful and particularly so since the last few episodes. It's honestly the writers fault that has caused so much of division between the audiences. This exactly where they should realise that when your audience is falling apart into a lot of sections, this means there's a fundamental and grave error in the writing.

Agreed to the 7 point summary.

And thank you so much, I'm relieved we could actually have some sane and level headed discussion.😃I almost feared putting my views down here because well, um, bad experiences.😆

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

Given the severity of Maya's past actions IMO what she did today was not exactly morally or ethically wrong. Just giving someone bhaang is not the crime of the century considering what Maya herself has done before. That's why I think today Maya's actions were forgivable to an extent given the even bigger mistakes committed by Arjun (in particular) and Saanjh in the last few days.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

What was that EVEN???

My heart went out to Maya today ...Her scene in front of God was heartbreaking to say the least 💔

I've always said that you only see her true self in front of God. The rest of the time she has a mask on. The vulnerable innocent Maya begging God to give her happiness and to not take away the one thing she wants just makes you want to reach out and hug her. Also, she confirmed that her efforts were genuine with Vandana initially so we can put that discussion to rest. And she mentioned how separating Ayan from Arjun was never her plan so I guess the confusion about her purposely trying to separate Ayaan can be laid to rest as well. Ayaan was just unintentional collateral damage.

Keeping everything she has done and may have done aside for the moment NO WOMAN deserves to be treated the way Arjun treated her today. The utter humiliation and pain that a woman would go through if she has to witness her husband ignore her for his female bff and almost sexually dance with her with absolutely no regard for his wife's feelings whatsoever is just so heart braking to think about. That's what Maya went through today and I loved the fact that the CVs chose to highlight how wrong Arj-Saanjh were in their behavior by showing the other guests comment about it and Suman apologise for it to Maya. The inappropriate bahviour needed to be called out and they did.

What the freaking heck has gotten into Arjun?? So apparently now he can't see anyone else when his "Dusky" is around? He does'nt even seek out Maya during the whole song sequence, like not even once did he even attempt to dance with Maya or to even look at her. What sort of behavior is this??? Are we supposed to feel bad for this guy in the future if Maya makes him pay for this?? I hope they show that he does'nt really love Maya and married her for money because if they are going to say that he does love Maya and this was just momentary lapse of judgement because he was drunk then I'll be like BS 🤢...No guy "In love" with his wife will ever behave the way he did. Nope not buying that excuse at all.

ANd Saanjh...can I give her one tight slap please??? What has gotten into this normally sensible girl lately?? She always had a moral compass, knew her boundaries, corrected Arjun when he crossed his...so then why has her moral conscious disappeared ? Why are her boundaries suddenly so blurry?? Why does she STILL FEEL that SHE has the right to be put the first holi colour on Arjun instead of HIS WIFE?? So she still thinks she holds a more important position in his life even though he now has a wife and is about to be a father??? 😕 Super unhealthy thought process that is...

And NO just like Maya's past cannot be used to justify all her wrong doings, alcohol CANNOT be used to justify Ar-Sa behavior the last 2 days...You don't become another person if you're drunk, you just lose your inhibitions and say and do things that you've always wanted to do and say anyway but cannot when you are fully in your senses.

Honestly I felt nothing wrong in Maya's behavior and actions TODAY...Ok she offered them more bhaang, it was their choice to accept and drink it or not and they did so then it absolves her of any responsibility for the way they behaved. Maya may not have had Saanjh's best interest at heart when she said those thinks to Suman but what she said was absolutely TRUE. If not her then someone else would have surely said the same thing. Suman's reaction and decision to take Saanjh away from there was absolutely bang on, that is exactly what a caring mother would do. She accepted her daughter's mistake and dragged her away from there instead of shouting at Arjun and blaming him for Saanjh's bhaviour (wish Vandana was here to learn a thing or two from Suman).

Now if Saanjh is going to hold THIS against Maya and blame HER for separating Ar-Sa then I don't know what to say. Of all of Maya's manipulations this is the one time I agree with her. Ar-Sa are responsible for whatever is going befall their "friendship".

I only hope the CVs show Sa-Ar realize how inappropriate their behavior and relation is and apologize to Maya and that they don't just sweep this under the rug as a "drunken mistake" and blame everything on Maya's "manipulation". Let's see how they chose to handle this.

PS: Had to rant after today's episode. 😛...

Originally posted by: ishakumar

But I feel the different opinions and clashes are very normal especially when a certain audience likes one character or their actions better than the other ones..
Don't worru husna I think we have gotten past that phase (of not understanding the other persons opinion) in the very beginning of the show 😆

Originally posted by: rendezvousvin

Agree to whatever you said.. Nothing more to add... It was very disgusting episode to watch... Not only today but from the past few days it's been very hard to watch another woman being lied and cheated upon and treated as she doesn't exist for anyone... Yes Maya is manipulative but that doesn't give anybody the treat her the way they all are treating her... Be it Vandana, Arjun or Saanjh.. They all seems to have forgotten that Maya exists... Vandana wants Arjun's child, her grandchild but fails to accept or even acknowledge that very child's mother... Saanjh wants Arjun to reconcile with his family without informing Maya, And what to say about Arjun.. He wants to celebrate his happiness of becoming a father with his best friend by lying and leaving the very source of happiness...

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

I get where you're coming from. I didn't say I don't hold them accountable, I said I don't hold them 'entirely' accountable solely because of two reasons a) incalculable effects of intoxication substance b) Maya's involvement. Had Maya gotten drunk too and behaved the same with any other man, I wouldn't have held her entirely accountable either. Although, I do completely agree that their behaviour/entire sequence was highly inappropriate and distasteful.

So I guess we both hold them accountable just to varying degrees. Just different perspectives 😃

@Bold - Exactly. Off late, the episodes, the characters, the narrative, everything is set up, build on, executed in such a manner so as to make look all of Maya's actions 'justified'. This is something I was intending to share in your other posts that the writing is going down the drain with each episode with the writers being utterly confused as to how to sell this groundbreaking idea of a show of theirs. The writing never truly was top-notch but ever since the wedding, it's been getting awful and particularly so since the last few episodes. It's honestly the writers fault that has caused so much of division between the audiences. This exactly where they should realise that when your audience is falling apart into a lot of sections, this means there's a fundamental and grave error in the writing.

Agreed ..The writers seem to be running around like headless chickens not knowing how to take the story forward and how to shape up their characters. It's like they have a some grand plan in mind but then they don't have the nitty-gritties ironed out, so are just scampering around to pull things together so that they can ultimately reach the point they want to reach in the next phase.

I guess they wanted to end phase 1 with Maya-Arjun's marriage. They lazed around with the story for long and then suddenly realized they were approaching the deadline for phase 1 and had a lot more story to cover, so they went into overdrive cramming the "love", proposal, marriage everything into the remaining time left. In the process they rushed the whole thing leaving everyone confused.

Now they are doing the same thing again. They wasted so much time on the Ashwin murder mystery, and Maya-Vandana BS that now when they are approaching the phase 2 deadline they probably realized that the characters are not where they need to be. So now they again went into full gear changing characters overnight so that they can conclude phase 2 the way the need to. Really inefficient writing 😛

Agreed to the 7 point summary.

And thank you so much, I'm relieved we could actually have some sane and level headed discussion. 😃 I almost feared putting my views down here because well, um, bad experiences. 😆

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

I didn't see you edited and added this. I beg to differ here. Her crime wasn't to give them bhaang. I'm not even sure if the word 'crime' here can be used because you know there's always a conflict when it comes to one's own sense of moral and ethics/ right and wrong when pitched with the sense of right and wrong of others. From where I see it, she intended to break Arjun and Saanjh's friendship apart treacherously and iniquitously and executed her plan in accordance to her intention which is exactly where she lost me. And that's not forgivable (until and unless she repents and redeems herself, of course) when you put all that she's been doing and this case together. That's just entirely my opinion. 😃

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Yesterday we were discussing this.. the justification of Maya's actions.. she will stoop low, go immoral but there will always be a justification.. the opening scene like you mentioned.. peek into Maya's conscience.. she has one.. and it feels guilty for the wrongs she does.. for hurting people she doesn't intend to hurt ( Ayaan ) and even for hurting people she has to.. The dialogue that really moved me was when she said ''All I ever wanted was Arjun''.. It really set the stage for what followed.. so much so that viewers would have forgiven her for a bigger crime next day.. what she did was anything but crime or even scheming for that matter.. Saanjh couldn't bear Arjun's proximity to Maya when he was nothing more than a friend when she hadn't even professed her love.. and here we are expecting a wife to see her husband literally grind with another woman and not react? This has been building up for a while now.. their secret meetings, naming the unborn child WITHOUT even consulting the mother, Arjun's concern for Saanjh while completely ignoring his pregnant wife who burnt her hand saving his friend, their never lasting long embraces ..even Suman was feeling uncomfortable yesterday.. what do we expect Maya to do in this situation? Arjun has completely taken her for granted.. the guy even forgot to put color on his wife on their first holi.. yet she forgives him and the joy she had in her eyes when he obliges her... my heart went out to her today.. I remember Jennifer saying in one of her interviews before the show started.. Maya is not the sweet, innocent girl.. she will get her hands dirty to get what she wants yet viewers will feel for her.. they will love/sympathize with her.. no wonder she has the majority of the audience rooting for her despite of her actions.. however, the precap makes me feel she has faked pregnancy and will stage the miscarriage to poison Arjun's mind against Saanjh.. the real test for Arjun's love will be if he actually distances from Saanjh after this.. In case of Vandy, he just needed an excuse .. but Saanjh? he needs her for his own selfish reasons.. we'l see...

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@poornima watch the episode, duppatta taking happens before bhang. After they put color to jhanvi. Suman is clearly embarassed. That's why I told without bhang itself Maya could have nudged Suman. She need not have to make it so embarassing for everyone concerned. Also as someone pointed out Arjun has taken alchohol so alchohol shouldnt make him do what he did, even if I say Saanjh is not used to alchohol.

@isha difference of opinion mostly happens because Maya is put dark, Saanjh is white. Like shruti analyzed ( I loved your analysis shruthi you put the summary of actions very beautifully) if we can say right and wrong in both then the meeting point will be there.

If people can only see thandai and not what led to it, then it is a problem, especially ignoring the fact Maya burned her hands to protect Saanjh and then was left high and dry by the so called friends.

I hope Maya pregnancy is fake as it will keep both of them grey. But if it is real, then I dont know what to feel.