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Posted: 8 years ago
why so much anger on my opinion, from where does this word double standards coming from...when saanjh felt wrong she did apologize to Maya., and don't make my comments as Maya vs saanjh..asking sorry doesn't mean one is falling on someoens knee...don't try to read between lines.,its my conversation with shruti and if you can't stay away try to be at least polite, don't tell me what I should talk to shruti now!!!
It wasn't anger at all, simply perplexing. When someone put hand in your own private space one "sorry" doesn't clean it at all.
It's your own conversation, I'm sorry for interfering
@shruthirave - I'm sorry. I didn't any intend to bring negative
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@sindu if you think about your fear, your fear manifests, because your actions are based on your thoughts. Even we do it.

Also it is not Maya's perceptions, it is about Maya or Perception that cloud everyone's decision making. It happens to us also. In many cases without analyzing we judge. Then our action is based on our judgement.
And analysis one of the thumb rule is be open. No pre conceived notions of good or bad. Only the data in front of you. Be open to unexpected findings. Dont run away from if they are not as per your expectation. Check why it is there. Everything has a reason. Some reason you know, some reason you dont know.
Perception happens because of our ego and our know all attitude. If you accept I know only a drop of the ocean of knowledge you will rise above perceptions. That humility is the key thing in cutting perceptions.
At this point Saanjh is the only character in which I have seen genuine humility. Her apology after email fiasco was genuine. So if this girl fails she will go back and check where she failed, how she failed and can come back and fight the battle of the life.

No other character at this point is open for failure for me. They cant take failure. They will do anything to win.

hmm,you are correct about perceptions and judgements.,that's true..we are judgemental without complete knowledge...thanks...Hope this show turns interesting and convincing ., because I am not convinced yet!!! For me saanjh,arjun vandana mata doesn't matter ,I want to know jhaanvi and Maya with ashwin..I felt it's early to kill ashwin, I'd Maya and jhaanvi didn't do anything to adjunct then why does Maya smiled and came out satisfactorily,what does that mean
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Laska

why so much anger on my opinion, from where does this word double standards coming from...when saanjh felt wrong she did apologize to Maya., and don't make my comments as Maya vs saanjh..asking sorry doesn't mean one is falling on someoens knee...don't try to read between lines.,its my conversation with shruti and if you can't stay away try to be at least polite, don't tell me what I should talk to shruti now!!!

It wasn't anger at all, simply perplexing. When someone put hand in your own private space one "sorry" doesn't clean it at all.
It's your own conversation, I'm sorry for interfering
@shruthirave - I'm sorry. I didn't any intend to bring negative
@laska I am sorry too.,I am fed up with these arguments and that's why reacted angrier !!!! Sorry about that laska...I always feel to start fresh we need to be honest, true and open about our mistake...I won't say saanjh is correct by interfering in may as space, that was not my argument..I was trying to tell if Maya really changed then it should start from an apology,because more than anyone she played with saanjhs emotions and her friendship with aarjun..that's what I was trying to tell...I I feel Maya didn't change and makers are trying to keep that under blanket so that we would be surprised at the end if maya turned to be the slaw old one because I felt it was Maya and her behadhness...changing for good is also another side of behadh pyaar..if that's the case I would prefer it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sindu it is just a thought process. It is based on the assumption Ashwin is dead. Maya asks how can a person be alive after death. Jhanvi is hallucinating.
Now the moot question is can a person be alive after the death. Answer is yes. He or she can be. Yes the physical body is destroyed, but not the thought process of that person. Because thoughts can be transplanted and goes on even after your physical body is gone.

That is what is currently happening. Someone killed Ashwin and thought that with his death whatever threat he possessed , whatever headache he created will be gone. But before the death Ashwin has managed to fill the poison in Vandana's head and now that is slowly spreading to Saanjh's head too. Ashwin's voice ring in Vandana and now Vandana's voice will ring in Saanjh's head.

So Ashwin is living through them. His ideology Maya is mad, she is a threat is feeding into the mind of the people.
Now whatever Maya do, she cannot cut this poison because it is not physical, it is in someone's mind. The darkness is inside. Now someone has to validate that line Maya Pagal hai ya nahin hai with proof. So someone has to travel that path with an assumption Maya is normal to get to the bottom of the mess.
Maya pagal hai will make you connect to the incidents the way Ashwin wants to see it. If Maya says she is not pagal, that " not " doesnt register in human mind. I am not telling it. This has been proved in the Neuro Linguistic workshop I attended. Our brain doesnt take negative command. So if we dont want something, dont make the statement I dont want to see this person, because brain will take it as I want to see this person, instead put I want to see that person. Change the affirmations in your goals.

Your thoughts matter. Think about what you give out. Do you want to fill others with poison or amrit. Reason the past doesnt close is because the poison is passed on from generation to generation in the form of perceptions.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@sindu it is just a thought process. It is based on the assumption Ashwin is dead. Maya asks how can a person be alive after death. Jhanvi is hallucinating.

Now the moot question is can a person be alive after the death. Answer is yes. He or she can be. Yes the physical body is destroyed, but not the thought process of that person. Because thoughts can be transplanted and goes on even after your physical body is gone.

That is what is currently happening. Someone killed Ashwin and thought that with his death whatever threat he possessed , whatever headache he created will be gone. But before the death Ashwin has managed to fill the poison in Vandana's head and now that is slowly spreading to Saanjh's head too. Ashwin's voice ring in Vandana and now Vandana's voice will ring in Saanjh's head.

So Ashwin is living through them. His ideology Maya is mad, she is a threat is feeding into the mind of the people.
Now whatever Maya do, she cannot cut this poison because it is not physical, it is in someone's mind. The darkness is inside. Now someone has to validate that line Maya Pagal hai ya nahin hai with proof. So someone has to travel that path with an assumption Maya is normal to get to the bottom of the mess.
Maya pagal hai will make you connect to the incidents the way Ashwin wants to see it. If Maya says she is not pagal, that " not " doesnt register in human mind. I am not telling it. This has been proved in the Neuro Linguistic workshop I attended. Our brain doesnt take negative command. So if we dont want something, dont make the statement I dont want to see this person, because brain will take it as I want to see this person, instead put I want to see that person. Change the affirmations in your goals.

Your thoughts matter. Think about what you give out. Do you want to fill others with poison or amrit. Reason the past doesnt close is because the poison is passed on from generation to generation in the form of perceptions.

interesting...can you explain me a little more please
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sindu neuro linguistic programming treats a human brain as conscious, subconscious and unconscious. At a time only 7 things can be in your conscious, but your subconscious and unconscious part has lot of data. The data is processed based on the commands send through neurons.
On most occasions we make judgements based on the 7 known things. Voice of your subconscious is your instinct which you cannot validate immediately, but if you closely listen to it and goes in its direction you will get proof.
The data in your unconscious is processed when you make positive affirmative goals. When things happen suddenly you feel it is a miracle, but it is not, it is the result of the data processed by your unconscious. Since you dont know what exists there, you term it as miracle.
Just like programming a computer, we can program our thoughts for positive outcome if we are aware of it. The first step is being aware of our thoughts and then managing them. Once you manage them, you know which to take, which to discard. Clearly define what you want than some random things.
Same philosophy is mentioned in Gita as Arjun doing action and Krishna giving direction.
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Posted: 8 years ago
1/3/2017

Ok past got messier today. Arjun lured Jhanvi into writing a letter to Ashwin and I feel after seeing Arjun with Tantrik who is explaining the trick Jhanvi is going to tell Arjun or Maya are the killers.
Now problem is Jhanvi's letter is in the drawer no one knows that. And Arjun by not telling his plan to Saanjh or Maya has messed it up big time. Do we need any other reason to see Ashwin lives on after his death too. All are concerned with Ashwin.

Now Vandana. She said somethings. She has seen the world. She knows people. She knows drama. Phew. I was like have you done the drama. Why do you think Maya is faking, unless you have faked yourself. Then another pataka God never supports bad people. Agreed. Who decide that. You or God. Just because you think someone is bad that person doesnt become bad. God's criteria of judging good and bad is different from yours.
Another thing. With me Arjun cannot fail. Arjun has become blind in your love. Really Vandana, has Arjun's Papa became blind in your love that he wanted his sick wife to die so that immediately he can marry you and have a child.

Each of your accusation on Maya makes me feel, Maya plays in front of you what you did with Arjun's dad. What the society told the child was true. It was not his perception. What was your past Vandana. I feel you would not have got dignity in society if not for a respectable man like Arjun's father.
And dear Vandana Mata you are invoking Maya mehrotra again and again that too in front of Goddess today. You will start seeing her. Her patience is waning thin. Signs are visible.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

1/3/2017


Ok past got messier today. Arjun lured Jhanvi into writing a letter to Ashwin and I feel after seeing Arjun with Tantrik who is explaining the trick Jhanvi is going to tell Arjun or Maya are the killers.
Now problem is Jhanvi's letter is in the drawer no one knows that. And Arjun by not telling his plan to Saanjh or Maya has messed it up big time. Do we need any other reason to see Ashwin lives on after his death too. All are concerned with Ashwin.

Now Vandana. She said somethings. She has seen the world. She knows people. She knows drama. Phew. I was like have you done the drama. Why do you think Maya is faking, unless you have faked yourself. Then another pataka God never supports bad people. Agreed. Who decide that. You or God. Just because you think someone is bad that person doesnt become bad. God's criteria of judging good and bad is different from yours.
Another thing. With me Arjun cannot fail. Arjun has become blind in your love. Really Vandana, has Arjun's Papa became blind in your love that he wanted his sick wife to die so that immediately he can marry you and have a child.

Each of your accusation on Maya makes me feel, Maya plays in front of you what you did with Arjun's dad. What the society told the child was true. It was not his perception. What was your past Vandana. I feel you would not have got dignity in society if not for a respectable man like Arjun's father.
And dear Vandana Mata you are invoking Maya mehrotra again and again that too in front of Goddess today. You will start seeing her. Her patience is waning thin. Signs are visible.


@Bold..exactly same feelings..I was like, what d heck did Maya did to u that u r calling her bad!!!Is Maya is a bad person, then Vandana tho bahut gayi gujri hai..better not to go there nd u summed it up very well..I am feeling strongly now that there is smthg more to Vandana Mata-Arjun Dad's past rather than d sobbing story that woman told...Maya plays the same Vandana she mi8 have played with Arjun's dad...
What a mad family Maya got into!!I feel bad for her really..Naa Maykaa sahi,naa sasuraal...Everyone extreme for her..pagal mom, psycho dad(jho mar kar bhi jinda hai), stupid,senseless husband(who thinks he knows everything nd wants d world to go on his signs..who d heck he is to decide that Jhanvi really killed Ashwin???Its his perception or rather imagination that he is feeding to Saanjh...even Saanjh told it mi8 be his assumption but no, he is adamant to d extent that he made Jhanvi write a letter!!now what if the letter is misplaced, chances r high especially its a daily show, even if u can destroy it easily it will be a one cardboard hard to break that it goes on&on from one person another person!!!What kind of stupidity is that to bring tantrik nd all...He is more than a duffer...I wonder what Maya has seen that she gave her prized possession Fashion & the city to this stupid)...
If not for Saanjh nd Ayaan Maya is into another hell!!!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

1/3/2017


Ok past got messier today. Arjun lured Jhanvi into writing a letter to Ashwin and I feel after seeing Arjun with Tantrik who is explaining the trick Jhanvi is going to tell Arjun or Maya are the killers.
Now problem is Jhanvi's letter is in the drawer no one knows that. And Arjun by not telling his plan to Saanjh or Maya has messed it up big time. Do we need any other reason to see Ashwin lives on after his death too. All are concerned with Ashwin.

Now Vandana. She said somethings. She has seen the world. She knows people. She knows drama. Phew. I was like have you done the drama. Why do you think Maya is faking, unless you have faked yourself. Then another pataka God never supports bad people. Agreed. Who decide that. You or God. Just because you think someone is bad that person doesnt become bad. God's criteria of judging good and bad is different from yours.
Another thing. With me Arjun cannot fail. Arjun has become blind in your love. Really Vandana, has Arjun's Papa became blind in your love that he wanted his sick wife to die so that immediately he can marry you and have a child.

Each of your accusation on Maya makes me feel, Maya plays in front of you what you did with Arjun's dad. What the society told the child was true. It was not his perception. What was your past Vandana. I feel you would not have got dignity in society if not for a respectable man like Arjun's father.
And dear Vandana Mata you are invoking Maya mehrotra again and again that too in front of Goddess today. You will start seeing her. Her patience is waning thin. Signs are visible.

It's all about perception. Each of the characters look through the prism of himself
Arjun think Jhanvi killed Ashwin. He wanted to kill Ashwin. He said this at the wedding - "I would not hit in the leg, but hit in the stomach"
Vandana says that Maya caught Arjun in a trap, because she is caught in a trap Arjun's father. She says that Maya's love is game, and her is not. So either her love for Arjuna lie, either to his Arjun's father. And she could kill Arjun's mother - a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's about her.
Dusky absolute confidence in her moral principles - she will not protect the killer. Either she will be forced to protect the murderer (which already indirectly makes Arjun), or she will do so voluntarily, or third option - she will not be aware that she protects the killer.
Jhanvi sees that Arjun has hired an exorcist, and decides that Arjun killed Ashwin. What he wants to blame in it her. She calls Maya. She suspects Arjuna. Jhanvi not tell Maya that Arjun killer, because she believes that Maya didn't believe and will defend Arjun. Because Jhanvi always defended and forgave Ashwin, despite all the horrors that he had done to her daughter. She decides that Arjun can play with Maya (second time!) - because Ashwin whole life playing with her, he used her. And Jhanvi believes that Arjun can use Maya, and Maya because of love doesn't see anything, as Jhanvi didn't see.
Only Maya doesn't look through her prism. She knows that people don't accept her.
Therefore, all her so-called mind games, manipulation have success - it is not manipulation, that expectation.
She knew Dusky headed not only care about friend, but also love, so she will not look inside, and grab something on the surface, and will protect Arjun. Read motive you will know offender - Dusky fully meet the Maya's expectations.
Vandana - Maya attempts, she kneels down and asks "one time tell me that everything will be alright." Her eyes in the finals of this scene - she knew that this will not happen. Know what Vandana not show her a drop of compassion. And then Maya knows where all this will lead, she sees the growing hatred, and she just doesn't do anything - "wait and see, they all do it themselves"
In the temple she just breaks down. This is the second time - "Kill me!". She knows that Vandana driven by blind hatred. This single tear on the shoulder of Dusky - tear don't sad, don't despair, her expectations were met again.
No one wants to surprise Maya, seriously. She sees people and sees their motives, and they are moving exactly in the scenario that Maya even didn't write - "wait and see"
P.S. But seriously, they need to finish Vandana-drama - watch show becomes torture
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ajay exactly Vandana Mata uses sob story too often. So sob story is faking, that's why she feels Maya's sob story is also fake. If you have done something genuinely you will see the other person also as genuine.
@Laska you are right. Maya is not doing anything. Everyone does it themselves. And you are right, it is their experience that makes people see the action through certain perspective. They are not willing to change the glasses and see.

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