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Posted: 8 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: CaputDraconis


I am not. The poster above "Annihilation" is a Jen fan too.

There are many others like me who're fans of the actor but don't condone the character Maya's behavior. Just because you've had a torturous childhood doesn't give you the right to manipulate your way to acquire what you want.

I feel Saanjh is a very easy character to read, she's girl-next door kinda person, and I feel one of the major reasons why she gets the irrational hatred is because people who've signed up for this show want to see something out of the box and Saanjh doesn't fit that template.



Oh really? I didn't know that!
Well, tbf, I don't think most people condone Maya's behaviour - I know I don't, but it's what the show's supposed to be all about so keeping that in mind, I just wanna quietly watch on and see what happens next, where this obsessive love of hers leads her to. But I've always been a shipper person so seeing Maya and Arjun together gives me all the OTP feels hahahaha, though I do watch Beyhadh for the story, I like their chemistry too.

And you've said exactly what I think - The promos and all were very mysterious, Maya's attitude from the beginning (and now even) and Vandana and Arjun's strained relationship were all incomprehensible, which is what everyone were generally expecting. So Saanjh in a set up like this with her obvious love for Arjun has become annoying for some us, even Vandana now too, now that we know why her and Arjun's relationship was that way and it's fixed now. So that explains! Save
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: CaputDraconis


I am not. The poster above "Annihilation" is a Jen fan too.

There are many others like me who're fans of the actor but don't condone the character Maya's behavior. Just because you've had a torturous childhood doesn't give you the right to manipulate your way to acquire what you want.

I feel Saanjh is a very easy character to read, she's girl-next door kinda person, and I feel one of the major reasons why she gets the irrational hatred is because people who've signed up for this show want to see something out of the box and Saanjh doesn't fit that template.


And the reason why you like Saanjh is exactly the reason why I don't like her!
She is like every other girl, who gets let down by missed opportunities... she goes with the flow, and doesn't really try hard to get what she wants...
Maya is someone who believes in action ;) and that's what I love about her character, and also that she is different from all the other abla naris we have seen on television so far
Yea her actions may not be right, but I would consider it as everything's fair in love and war ;)
i wanted to see some strong female lead, and clearly i see that junoon in maya ;)
Edited by ishakumar - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ishakumar


And the reason why you like Saanjh is exactly the reason why I don't like her!
She is like every other girl, who gets let down by missed opportunities... she goes with the flow, and doesn't really try hard to get what she wants...
Maya is someone who believes in action ;) and that's what I love about her character, and also that she is different from all the other abla naris we have seen on television so far
Yea her actions may not be right, but I would consider it as everything's fair in love and war ;)

i wanted to see some strong female lead, and clearly i see that junoon in maya ;)


Strong doesn't equate to being mean and manipulative. This show isn't one on women empowerment. Truly liberated women don't behave like the way Maya does.

Saanjh is far from being an abla naari. She wanted to leave the city for good. She got coerced into not doing so by Arjun. She was minding her own business before Maya poked her nose and involved her in the huge set up to trap her father. So no, I'd not be harsh on a person who is basically very nice and doesn't have a mean bone in her body just because she's over-protective about the person she loves. I'd kill to have a loyal friend like Saanjh.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lovely post xx
Tbh it's true, Maya fans are not Jennifer fans 😆 I watched Jennifer show saraswatichandra and I can bravely say I was never fond of Jennifer back then, never really liked her personally 😆 😳

And I didn't start watching Beyhadh for her, I ended up watching it due to the promotion and I was bored one day so thought, why not just try it out and after Jennifer performance as Maya and me loving the character, I am now a 'Jennifer fan' and I love her

And like you said I was also a saanjh fan at first, beginning she would persuade arjun to forgive Maya, give her cake bla bla and now she is too insecure of Maya. She's not the same saanjh anymore.

Vandana... No comment !! I think I hate her more than ashwin 😆

And thankyou for sharing your personal story with us 😳 xx
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Posted: 8 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: xsumi

Lovely post xx
Tbh it's true, Maya fans are not Jennifer fans 😆 I watched Jennifer show saraswatichandra and I can bravely say I was never fond of Jennifer back then, never really liked her personally 😆 😳

And I didn't start watching Beyhadh for her, I ended up watching it due to the promotion and I was bored one day so thought, why not just try it out and after Jennifer performance as Maya and me loving the character, I am now a 'Jennifer fan' and I love her

And like you said I was also a saanjh fan at first, beginning she would persuade arjun to forgive Maya, give her cake bla bla and now she is too insecure of Maya. She's not the same saanjh anymore.

Vandana... No comment !! I think I hate her more than ashwin 😆

And thankyou for sharing your personal story with us 😳 xx



Thank you, thank you 😃 Tbh I liked SC at first but then it felt too draggy to me and so it got annoying to me 😆 Jennifer as Maya is LOVEEE! Honestly, keeping the storyline aside... Every expression, from sadness to fear to anger... Good God. And especially when she goes into ~that~ mode where she turns extra dangerous, like when she looked at her Mother and said "go." She does it all so well... Reminds me of Simeone as Saakshi Goenka. Complicated characters that you can't help but love 😆

And thank you again, the story was a long one but I can't believe you guys read through it all 😃😳Save
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suhamufc



Thank you, thank you 😃 Tbh I liked SC at first but then it felt too draggy to me and so it got annoying to me 😆 Jennifer as Maya is LOVEEE! Honestly, keeping the storyline aside... Every expression, from sadness to fear to anger... Good God. And especially when she goes into ~that~ mode where she turns extra dangerous, like when she looked at her Mother and said "go." She does it all so well... Reminds me of Simeone as Saakshi Goenka. Complicated characters that you can't help but love 😆

And thank you again, the story was a long one but I can't believe you guys read through it all 😃😳Save


I absolutely LOVED Sakshi Goenka and Simone Singh's portrayal of it. I liked only that character in EHT. They gave Sakshi's character REALLY GOOD reasons to behave the way she did.

But in Beyhadh, we have Maya who schemes and plots for the most absurdest of reasons. She's being vile towards people who're basically no match to her smarts so to speak. That's why I'm unable to relate to her. Jennifer's portrayal salvages the character for me.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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It is really great to see an unbiased post without any assumptions of the so-called gut feelings. Otherwise, there are people who start the threads to start the fan wars. They say we fight over the fictional things but they do the same.
You have just put that in right words. I did mention them in some of my posts. Maya's role is supposed to be like that. I don't think she is born with mental issues but she is a lovelorn person who really craves for it. Even in real life, people do undergo a rough phase in their childhood. Even the geniuses like Einstein had undergone this phase. People used to call him stupid but he has turned out to be a scientist. When that can happen in real life, why can't it happen in the fictional world?

Maya
She has been tortured by her dad for no rhyme or reason. We still don't know the reason behind it. Some assume that she must have killed her siblings which made Ashwin hate her but if that was the case, he only told Vandana that she made him a cripple at the age of 9. If at all we assume that she has killed her siblings out of her jealousy, any parent would send her to juvenile courts. In fact, any parent would keep other children away from her till the child accepts and adjusts with them whole-heartedly. That is the best way to avoid one child killing the other. If the couple has one child, that child will get full attention but if the other one is born, the attention gets divided. It happens in most of the cases. The place where I am staying is on the rental basis where the owner had given the birth to the second child but the first one was not happy and it took time for that child to accept. Whatever Maya is today, it is because of Ashwin and his tortures. Under no circumstances, a parent has got the right to torture a 9-year old child. His act of infidelity & child abuse is not acceptable. It was said that Maya is a grey chaacter which means she is not completely positive or negative. She will be good to those who are good to her & be the worst to people who are bad to her. Maya loves Jhanvi because she has been nice to her. Her intention is to protect her from people like Ashwin. The next person she loves is Arjun. Yes, maya deserves to be happy and I still stick to that. I personally don't want Maya to get the things by manipulating. But unfortunately, this is what she has learnt from life. She did not get any guidance as to how to get the things using fair means. Ashwin is neither a good husband nor a good father & Jhanvi would have put some sense into her if she had got time from her lafdas. Initially, everyone thought Maya would be bad but after watching the episodes, many began to show empathy towards her & they began to like her. Maya has done a lot of wrong things which are not acceptable. But true love can definitely heal her. But it needs a lot of patience. As far as her murder is concerned, we still don't know whether she has actually done that. I like the line you said, "Innocent till the guilt is proved." Yes, she tried to hit Vandana with her car as she felt that she will lose her happiness which she has been craving for long. Any person in that condition would do that. I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist but I can read other persons mind to an extent. I want Maya to have a happy ending with or without Arjun.

Saanjh

I liked Saanjh at initial stages but when the episodes passed by, she became clingy and she behaved like a posessive girlfriend. She is chasing Arjun all the time. She was caling him for every 5 minutes. When Arjun does not pick the call, she was leaving all the work and come to his office. She is not supposed to come like that during the working hours. She is not as selfless as anyone thinks. She is selfish in her own ways. She told that she does not care whether Maya lives or dies. Being a lawyer, she is not supposed to say that. Saanjh has been good to Arjun and has always stood by him. Arjun has never loved her more than a friend. He only loves her as a best friend. When it comes to his personal life, she has to stay within her limits. Her threat to Maya saying if she finds her lost things, it will not be returned next time means Arjun. When it came to going her to Singapore, she stayed back because Arjun told her to do so. It means that she has chosen Arjun over Prem. Next is her eavesdropping and checking her purse is not at all acceptable nor it can be justified, no matter what. Setting or no setting. I didn't even like her detectivegiri. She has misused her position to get the information about Maya from the insurance company. Even that is one way of manipulation. She applied haldi on the mirror and mehendi on her palm with Arjun's name. Above all, she thought Arjun is not happy in his wedding without her whereas that is not the case. when she saw Arjun was happily dancing, she went to her room & threw her bangles on the mirror. Even that is the sign of obsession.

Arjun didn't even look at Saanjh before he went to the bachelor's party.

I appreciate your courage in sharing your personal life with us. But glad that yo found happiness in your friend's happiness and have moved on in your life. It is better to live & die as a single rather than being with the person who will take your love for granted. That is nothing but a doormat behavior.

About Vandana, I completely agree with @ishakumar.

Sorry for the long post.
Edited by katrinasalman - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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A very good post. I do not have much to add. If possible visit my game of dice thread once .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice post & I agree with whatever you said . Nothing to add more cuz u said it all. Only thing is if Arjun is indeed marrying Maya for her money then I think him getting trapped in Maya's mayajaal will be the best lesson for him.

Strange enough your story reminds me so much of my friend ...its actually so similar. We were in school then & my friend had a tremendous crush on a boy who was six years senior to us ...actually they were very close family friends also. Now this boy used to be topper in his class & a very pleasing personality .. no nothing like Arjun ... he was very intelligent 😆 Though my friend was quiet junior to him but very mature for her age & he used to share absolutely everything with her . The 6 yrs age gap never mattered & my friend from crush it actually turned to love . i still remember the day when she found out he actually is totes crazy about someone else & even asked her to help him get that girl She was completely shattered ! ... & do u know who that girl is ? I don't know whether u know her or not but its Tridha Choudhury from the show Dahleez 😆 Tridha used to be in our school M P Birla & she was a year senior than this boy also .. so 7 yrs senior to us . Tridha was quiet a player in her school times ..idk if ''player ' is the right word used for women 😆 I mean almost all boys used to go gaga over her. . Its not that she was the prettiest in school ,,, she was one among them though, but she was a charmer . She knew how to make boys go crazy unlike the other pretty girls. 😆 & just like u said even Tridha use to make the boys do everything for her .
So now coming to my friends story ... my poor friend had to do so much for him.. like she even had to go to Tridha & tell her about his feelings & what not ...But not even once I saw her complaining .. it was always me who would react that y r u doing all this for him & go tell him about your feelings . But she just told me he knows... so i was like how will he ? u nvr told him ! but she wouldnt say anything more. I nvr got her .
Actually the boys Tridha dated always flunked 😆cuz having an affair with her meant u have to be prepared to be insecure & constant threats coming from your rivals ... so much drama went on in school for this Tridha . Her parents were called regularly . Same thing happened to this guy also . His results dropped .. since he was a topper in cls he didnt flunk but his scores became pretty average . And then my friend had to go through the trouble of listening how Tridha is still flirting with other guys in front of him.. how he cant concentrate on his studies .. how her ex bf is threatening him over the ph ...how Tridha always avoids talking about commitment ... like she's there with him but will not commit . For my friend i think it was a nightmare just cuz she loved this guy. Well as both of us knew would happen Tridha dumped him for another guy .. i mean she never committed but they dated & this dating thing too stopped .
He went bonkers after getting dumped & then started telling her that he knew she loved him but she was too young so he didnt think it that way with her . This is when my friend lost it & told him to F off .. since all these days he was ok with taking her advice sharing his problems making her to do things for him without thinking her to be a kid & now suddenly he gets dumped & comes to her saying we can give this a try since he knew she was in love with him all this time. .. Since he was aware of all this then how could u make her do all this !
But my friend had self respect enough to say that it was too late .. & now u got dumped & cum to me ! They r still friends but not close any more. She has drawn that line ..no more calling her whenever he needs her. Like she has stopped being available to her whenever he needed her .. no calling her at odd hours. She has got a new guy in her life also .. hes our age . Atleast to me it seems shes quiet happy with him.
What i am trying to tell is this guy ..he just had taken my friend for granted .. like shes the most available thing whenever he needed her. He was nothing like Arjun in this show. He was quiet mature .. very polite had a very pleasing personality . But he took her for granted & she showed him his place in her life when she could take all this no more.

This is why i don't like Saanjh character . Arjun uses her for his selfish needs &s he lets him do it. He fulfills none of her expectations but she still will kiss the ground he walks on. My friends love was not selfish .. she loved him & expected nothing in return. They would have remained close friends still had not he after getting dumped come to her & say about t to take the next step & all. . There is a limit to how much one can take .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suhamufc

Okay, this is going to be another long post, so bear with me again please. 😊
Hi again! I hope you all are doing well. I've been reading some posts about Saanjh and Maya comparisons and I'd like to point out some things that just seem, well, weird to me.

Hey there! I hope you don't mind me commenting in between your post 😊

First off, I'd like to say that most people I know irl (my friends aren't into Hindi serials so it's usually me discussing these with my Mum's friends 😆 Long story, but I'm really close to them so yeah) all like Maya over Saanjh (If we're comparing). Now these people are 40-41 year olds (Mum and I have a very low age difference sooo yeah lmao) who are in no way Jennifer fans, I doubt if they've even seen any of her earlier works let alone be a fan - And they simply love Maya. So, the whole idea of "Jennifer fans are Maya fans" is pointless. People love Maya because she simply is t h e Maya Mehrotra.

Maya's character was written and moulded in such a way that no matter what, she won't be hate-able. From the very beginning she has been portrayed as a grey character, not the usual perfect ideal protagonist and her character is, regardless, adored by millions. Her presence, her charisma and overall, just her, she keeps the audience hooked.

As for her characteristics - I've said it before, but I'll say it again; it's because Maya knows no other way. She has taken control of her life after whatever incident happened years ago, and has, since then, been this harsh and controlling woman who has gotten everything she has being this way. She is emotionally scarred and believes she is incapable of loving - And when Arjun actually loved her back, she's clinging on to it however she can - and that however being this way that she has always been. You see where I'm going at?

Absolutely, Maya was someone who didn't even know of love and when she has finally attained it, she won't let go of it, this is a very obvious and rational act.

As for her being a "murderer," there's a phrase called "innocent until proven guilty," so yes. Yes, yes, yes!! Thanks for bringing that to notice. This is something that should have been put across long back. People in the forum label Maya as a murdered all the time, be it for having killed Ashwin, the Mauritius priest or even her Nana Ji (rolling my eyes at this one). She is not a criminal unless it's clearly proved in the show, until then these are just assumptions/speculations/rumours. If she's proven to be a murderer, that's when we start seeing her as one. 👏 For now, she is just mentally disturbed, and she was abused as a child, no matter what the cause - so all that has has an effect on however she is today. She is the easy suspect, but I'd expect a show like Beyhadh to build up more suspense than just reveal her as the murderer. And about the tattoo part - A little incident I'd like to mention - My best friend got a tattoo machine as a present and without absolutely any prior experience or knowledge, she tattooed a rose on her leg and it's still there - without any problems or infections or life threatening diseases lol. Arjun never refused to get the tattoo and he surely was enjoying the bittersweet pain of getting his love's name tattooed on his chest, which is what led to that sensuous scene. Agreed, Maya didn't force Arjun to get the tattoo, and sure he was enjoying it.
And most importantly - Whatever Maya does, as a character, not as a human being or whatever - It's because she is supposed to be this way. It's what the show is all about. If anyone's expecting Maya to act all normal and mahaan then what's the point of the whole show... How do you expect to enjoy a show literally called "Beyhadh" if you constantly keep calling out the main lead's "Beyhadh-ness"?! 🤣 Where have you been all this while? People constantly complain about the extremity of Maya's actions but honestly, what would the show be without that?

Now, coming to Saanjh. I said this before too - I used to like her at the beginning not because she was the sweet and kind girl-next-door, but because she seemed sensible. Initially, I too liked Saanjh. She was Duffer's smarter halfe, the smarter, sensible half. Sensibility, something that Arjun clearly lacked in the beginning. But slowly they took that away step-by-step, and Saanjh just became someone Arjun could walk all over and be as rude to as he wants to, and still expect her to be standing right there the next morning. I'll add a little story here too - I once really reaaalllyyy liked a best friend of mine. He used to tell me all about his day and I'd stay up until 5-6 AM sometimes, Skyping him (He moved to another country). We weren't best friends for years or since childhood or something, I just knew him from my school days and he was a senior too - and after we both left that school, we somehow became friends on Facebook and so on. One day, he told me he liked this model (an actual model from our country, one of the top ones too) and the way he kept going on about her... I realised he'd never seen me how he sees her, no matter how friendly he was to me or how much he cared for me. So I actually sat there and helped him be with her, even though I had heard that the girl usually makes her boyfriends do a lot of stuff for her; Not even making this up man, she was an actual pain in the a** but since he liked her so much, I sat quietly and let him be because if he had to learn a lesson, he'd have to learn it on its own as he was just like Arjun, stubborn and unaware of his surroundings. They got together and it killed me so much to watch his relationship status change, but it was what he wanted and I had to comply because or else I'd lose the friendship I had. They broke up, and I was the one he called and cried to and he even ended up telling me that he'd marry me someday if he never found anyone else lol 😆 But I knew that he still always saw me as a friend and the love he had for her, he'd never feel it for me because I was always just that girl he could vent to. Sorry about the long story 😆 He found someone else btw 😆

Thanks for the story-time, could you please inculcate some sense into Saanjh? She needs to understand that if Arjun has to learn a lesson, the only way is through a bad experience.

But basically, I'm not saying Saanjh has to be like me, but the least she can do is be supportive? And let Arjun go? Because even after all this, she is still doing all that dancing in her bedroom and acting all weird, for her own (and her family's, who do SO much for her) betterment she has to let go. It won't be easy but the least she can do is try? Putting on toothpaste(?!) as haldi when Arjun is getting married to someone else is not normal behaviour, sorry - And Saanjh is supposed to be normal, no? Maya isn't normal and we know that, but Saanjh is supposed to be, from the looks of it? Arjun has treated her like crap and expected her to be back there because she always has - I know their friendship is ages old but there's a limit to all this; especially since their arguments didn't happen before. The things he spits out sometimes, I know I'd never talk to him if he said any of that to me lol. She can easily find someone better - Jeetu was such a great guy but she completely overlooked his feelings and went on and on about Arjun. She has to think about the whole situation and not just about Arjun and her love for him, and not be Ayaan from ADHM because that clearly didn't end well.

And Vandana, oh God. I loved her so much, her love for Arjun was so nice and pure but now it's just getting annoying. Superstitions are well believed all over the world but secretly hoping for a wedding to be broken off on the day of it and even going to Saanjh and asking her to end it isn't nice, is it? I know she's afraid and all but come on, Maya being controlling is no new thing but Arjun is mad for her right now, if she does succeed in calling off the wedding (which she won't apparently, but still saying), what makes her think Arjun will so easily accept it? Being a protective mother is okay, but reacting this harshly due to some predictions really seems irrational for someone like Vandana.

I didn't hate Vandana in the beginning of the show, and even after people had started hating on her, I tried to put myself in her place and understand where she came from, but now it's all too ridiculous. Since she believes so much in pandits, why did she completely overlook the time the pandit told her that Arjun must fight all his battles on his own? Why did she ask Saanjh to stop the wedding? Why did she hold on the the only negative point the pandit said about Arjun and Maya's wedding although he said they would make a great couple?

These are just my views and people don't necessarily have to agree with them, but I've been reading things and just felt the need to say it out loud. That's all for now, sorry again for the long post! Hope y'all have a good day xx

This post is literally my mushed up catastrophic thoughts put into words, thanks for that! You have a good day too 😃

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