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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Picasso9

The way I see it is that Jagya lashed out at HIS family. He felt satisfied that he had his familiy's unwavering support when it came to him fulfilling his responsibility towards Ganga and Mannu. He had no inkling of the inner dynamics (politics) that was taking place daily in his house. Most men don't get embroiled in such things. He trusted his family to at least stop Ganga. What upset him was that no one stopped her. He looked specifically at his mother and Dadisa for this assurance and in turn found his mother petulant and was able to deduce something was not kosher. Of ourse he knows what his family has gone through but he knows that they have each other as support. The need of the hour was finding Ganga. Sure it's their choice, then why to live in a joint family. Then Everyone should just be Independant and not answerable to each other. No man is an island!



The problem with joint family, and any other kind family is --when sacrifices are expected from others, often from women. He trusted his family to stop Ganga, but didn't he trust Ganga also to leave smack in the middle of the night, and do something more rational? People can be under extreme emotional pressures---and Ganga's act of leaving at night, and they not stopping---was ALL done in emotionally high situation. He didn't realize the pressure his own mother felt before...infact for some reason it's almost taken for granted that Sumitra should be ok with everything her family decides--or everything that is good for community--even if she voices out...it's not imprtant...because her personal fears aren't as important.
As far as why live in a joint family...I don't know. Lot of people lived in those for financial and other practical reasons. However, from my understanding, the reason of breaking up of joint families is...people dictating morals to other people. These serials aren't building up morals in our society...just making us demand morals from others.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I should be a witness to this. I believed no one hated Jagya more than anyone cause I am very biased towards A's character.

But today I can totally say that , Jagya's character is once again.. on the road of complete repentance and has almost reached its destination, which I believe will be achieved once he marries Ganga and closure to Gauri chapter.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123



The problem with joint family, and any other kind family is --when sacrifices are expected from others, often from women. He trusted his family to stop Ganga, but didn't he trust Ganga also to leave smack in the middle of the night, and do something more rational? People can be under extreme emotional pressures---and Ganga's act of leaving at night, and they not stopping---was ALL done in emotionally high situation. He didn't realize the pressure his own mother felt before...infact for some reason it's almost taken for granted that Sumitra should be ok with everything her family decides--or everything that is good for community--even if she voices out...it's not imprtant...because her personal fears aren't as important.
As far as why live in a joint family...I don't know. Lot of people lived in those for financial and other practical reasons. However, from my understanding, the reason of breaking up of joint families is...people dictating morals to other people. These serials aren't building up morals in our society...just making us demand morals from others.


Hima,

Sumi has every right to have her own morals. She is also responsible for how others treat her. She set a precedent by being meek and mild for many years. Also if she really was so staunchly against the idea of Ganga being in her home, she should have used proper methods. No one can read her mind. Her tactics of first bullying Ganga in private moments away from the family and then Venturing into public domain (godh badaai). She is quite an elderly woman, she should have sat her family down and strongly put forth her predicament. She should have told them not only that she fears Rattan Singh because of Ganga's presence but also that she personally doesn't want Ganga living in the house now that Jagya is engaged and for propriety's sake. They still don't know that she also has a problem with Ganga's and Jagya's growing closeness. She didn't even discuss this with Bhairon...yet she has a very stable, mature marriage with him.

About Jagya trusting Ganga not to leave...Ganga is the newest member in Jagya's life. How can he implicitly trust her yet. Furthermore, if Singhs are under pressure after one night of terror, imagine what that one night did to Ganga. It probably created an earthquake within her, reviving all those nightmarish memories of years of brutality. She still lacks confidence, self esteem, inner conviction. Years of abuse will do that to a person. Jagya cut her more slack because she doesn't have the support infrastructure that Singh's have with each other.

Is demanding more morals from others such a bad thing. Shouldnt we be each others' moral compass? Shouldn't we always strive for being better? Don't our scriptures demand better morals?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Creatives wanted to paint Sumitra black, that is why not only Jagya, but other family members also seem to think that she is wrong. Even if DS acknowledged mistakes regarding safety, she was also shown cold towards Sumitra. When did the family listen to Sumitra, except when she was talking nonsense like Sanchi rishta? They will not listen to sane voice, but agree to consider a wrong idea. That is why I feel that we should not agree to creatives idea of making a woman look bad just because she wanted safety for her family. If she herself (by some planning) arranged and sent Ganga to Rat because she feared for safety for her family, then we can agree that she was wrong. Why should we get fooled by the filmy track? Nobody got hurt with so much violence and the villain gave just empty threats and did not kill anybody, and the end result was only one person was made wrong in this mess, because creatives want to show Jagya as new Anandi and to gain more sympathy for Ganga.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Picasso9

Hima,

Sumi has every right to have her own morals. She is also responsible for how others treat her. She set a precedent by being meek and mild for many years. Also if she really was so staunchly against the idea of Ganga being in her home, she should have used proper methods. No one can read her mind. Her tactics of first bullying Ganga in private moments away from the family and then Venturing into public domain (godh badaai). She is quite an elderly woman, she should have sat her family down and strongly put forth her predicament. She should have told them not only that she fears Rattan Singh because of Ganga's presence but also that she personally doesn't want Ganga living in the house now that Jagya is engaged and for propriety's sake. They still don't know that she also has a problem with Ganga's and Jagya's growing closeness. She didn't even discuss this with Bhairon...yet she has a very stable, mature marriage with him.

About Jagya trusting Ganga not to leave...Ganga is the newest member in Jagya's life. How can he implicitly trust her yet. Furthermore, if Singhs are under pressure after one night of terror, imagine what that one night did to Ganga. It probably created an earthquake within her, reviving all those nightmarish memories of years of brutality. She still lacks confidence, self esteem, inner conviction. Years of abuse will do that to a person. Jagya cut her more slack because she doesn't have the support infrastructure that Singh's have with each other.

Is demanding more morals from others such a bad thing. Shouldnt we be each others' moral compass? Shouldn't we always strive for being better? Don't our scriptures demand better morals?

The question is not a competition between Ganga and Singhs with respect to who was more hurt. It is about whether Singhs were hurt/shocked enough to get into a state of inaction? Were they moved to an extent...where they were rather less enthusiastic in convincing just anything to Ganga. In my opinion they were shocked enough to be inert to what she would be facing or feeling. To me, spending even one hour...waiting for death of family members...watching people of your home violated...seeing your son beaten in front of your eyes...losing everything is shocking enough. And yes...I don't think Ganga being less or more hurt ...affects their own state of mind when they're still in pain and still feeling it.
End of the day...Ganga is responsible for herself. People can stop her from being hurt only to an extent. Only when she helps herself irrespective of adverse conditions. And she HAD to help herself in making a decision...to move out in the morning--to seek atleast little bit of support. She is touchy about Singh's being in danger because of her...is she also touchy about asking for even little help, inspite of all they did for her---was moving out at that point of time, helping Singhs in any way ? Even if she is battered and crushed in spirits, there are minimal survival instincts that even animals have. While I do sympathize with her...I cannot expect other people to take charge of emotions that are hers and only hers. And in her defense, we can absolutely say that she has been beaten and abused to such an extent that she cannot think straight in such situations ...but while it is unfortunate--other people cannot be held accountable all the time for thinking for her--let those people have the liberty to blank their mind out of her problems for once--and live their own life for a night when they too need to find their own solace.
About demanding more morals from others is a bad thing--here morals I'd say in terms of going out of your regular way to do things for others...such as charity or helping the poor. I'd say yes---it is bad if it is imposed as a demand. However, it is ok to REQUEST that...not dictate or demand--even after making such a request, it is the prerogative of the giver how much and what he wants to give away. Scriptures do not demand it...scriptures only SUGGEST that we should be large hearted. We can inspire, motivate, or request benevolence from others--but not force or demean them for it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tindae

Did Jagya really insult his mother? He was angry and shouted at her. The family was wrong to let Ganga leave with the child , in the night.


Shouting at your mother is not insulting her? Her mother was not wrong, but he behaved rudely with her like she ousted Ganga at night. He was rude and has insulted his mother.
Edited by SPuja - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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We all agree that Sumitra is not perfect and that she should be allowed to have fears for her family but why only excuses for her. Why is a victim expected to be perfect in her behavior as a recipient of charity. Why is Jagya expected to be perfect just because his trying to repent. If he shouts at his mum, isn't it also his mother's duty to understand where he is coming from and forgive him. Is Sumitra trying to understand her own son. She complains that no one understands her but is she trying to understand anyone or is she just blindly listening to Saanchi. Has she once tried to understand what her son wants. When Anandi tried to talk to her, she brushed her off. Isn't this quite common in some families? Everyone has their own agendas and no one really listens to each other.

Religion does not SUGGEST good morals. What would be the point. I agree with the sentiment that religion is in the business of fear. If you don't do good you won't achieve heaven or moksha. So how is that a SUGGESTION? We could call it blackmail, fear tactics, incentives, threats but surely not something as mild as SUGGESTION.
Edited by Picasso9 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes jagya is improving i love shiv and jagya discussion nowadays too hope .bv does turn him grey again to get a villlian
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Jagdish is one such character whose transformation has been a gradual n believeable phase for us as viewers 👍🏼 and shashank has made this character so impactful with his superb acting skills. Way to go man 👏👏👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SPuja


Shouting at your mother is not insulting her? His mother was not wrong, but he behaved rudely with her like she ousted Ganga at night. He was rude and has insulted his mother.


So now we're talking about insults ?
How was Sumi when she was berating DS for letting Ganga be here ? Was she not insulting ? She was saying I told you so and she was saying - - you let this happen - and all of that was not insulting ?
How was Sumi when she screamed at Ganga on Godbharai and at Mannu ? Why did she chose to not scream at Gehna and say - Sambhal nahi sakti apna pallu ?

How about when Jagya kept saying - I don't want to eat and she kept arguing back and being pushy and leaving the plate behind ? Does she care for or respect her own son all the time ?
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Who decides whether his mother was wrong or right ? you think she was right , I and Jagya happen to think she was not so. So - we have a difference of opinion.
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When Sumi was trying to make Ganga's life unpleasant and her status here as unwanted - was she right ?

Jagya does not even know yet - that Sumi bartered a deal with Ratan and said if we give you those two will you leave us alone. IF he ever gets to know - I bet you anything - he will just walk out of here and move into hospi quarters himself.
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Sumi has been very underhand and devious and mean. And when Jagya confronts her - you beat him with a 'being rude' stick. How convenient !
Grown ups have a right to debate as equals. Sumi was not fair and so J lost his cool. This is not the first time he's done so. He's been shown to be a hot-head and has yelled even at Bhairon in the past. These things do happen with real people in real lives. It causes unpleasantness for some time but eventually when both people sit down and honestly sort it out - these things even out.

Jagya has been honest. Lets see if Sumi has the guts to be so too.
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