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Posted: 12 years ago
Our BV trps increase tremendously. Happy😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
Nobody will nor can afford to give all the facilities to all the under privileged people.Here we are not talking about all those abused women.We are talking about ganga who was living with singhs for full seven months day and night.Singhs gave her all the right to behave like a family member.We are talking about mannu who was special for everbody.Ds used to say mannu has bring happiness to them.Sumi ds gehna used to spend a specific time with him when ganga used to study or work.Jagya has brought only ganga and mannu not everyone.He took the responsibility and ds was the one who convinced ganga to take the divorce.Anandi was the one who said she should start studying.They all had poked their nose in ganga's personal matter in a good way thats the reason ganga got attached to this family.Sumi's son has took the responsibility that whatever happens he will protect ganga but sumi never for once confronted jagya that why you are still keeping her here,take her to some other place,your responsibility is causing harm to us then jagya would have tried to shift her or he would have assured her that nothing will happen.But instead of doing that she was behaving good and sweetly in front of jagya.That was fake and people fakes when they themselves know they are wrong.Everybody knew ratan singh will take mannu but will kill ganga.But still she was saying ganga parayi hai.What does that mean kill ganga take mannu but leave us,we want to live in this beautiful world,we don't want to die.

Ok sumi was afraid she thought ganga will be safe,mannu will be safe when they will go to ratan as ratan wanted them.But sumi herself saw that how ratan singh broke the promise and was ready to kill ganga.When sumi is safe now not for once she thought that ganga was about to get killed along with them so why she has no sadness for her.Now when atleast you are safe why hating ganga.You saw with your own eyes that ganga was ready to die and gave mannu to ratan singh.Now why you can't feel bad for her!Its not only sumi's house its jagyas house its dadisas house if they have agreed to keep ganga with them why sumi was pressuring ds to say where ds is,the way it was her right to hate ganga same way it was ds right tonlove and protect ganga why taunting dadisa and all saying I said it will happen but nobody paid hid to me.She was the least affected among all of them but still she is hating ganga the most and reason is one and only sanchi if sumi would have hated ganga the same according to her thoughts it would have been acceptable but he changed her behaviour from bad to worst only after sanchi's sweet words.Come on woman get some brain.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Lovely discussion going on here.👏

I am neither a regular forum member nor a watcher of this show. But a recent incident made me curious enough to visit and I chanced upon this discussion which I found thought provoking. I have a 2 yr old kid and my neighbor's kid (slightly older) visits us almost every evening. She has been getting nightmares for past couple of days due to this show - she didn't even let her family turn off the TV while all that torture was being shown as she was concerned about some young boy about to be killed. I guess we should have some sort of censorship or grading system for shows as well.

Am really intrigued with this ongoing discussion about Jagya, Sumi and Ganga. Based on what I have read so far, here are my 2 cents.

I don't blame Sumi (with respect to her not stopping Ganga, don't know much about her behavior prior to the incident) - though I haven't seen the episode, reading about it was enough to gauge the horror. To have your pregnant DIL tied, your grandson sprinkled with kerosine, your husband and son and your old MIL dragged or attacked is a horror story of gigantic proportion. Just about everything she held dear was violated and threatened that day. So, if she lost all that goodwill for Ganga, isn't that forgivable if not laudable. I know Ganga was not responsible but a victim herself, in fact a much bigger one. But she did bring Ratan to Sumi's house. Strictly speaking, all humans are equal and all lives sacred, but how many of us would willingly sacrifice the one we love the most (husband, son, parents) for saving even thousands of unknown lives. We should be sympathetic to others and try to help those in need within our financial, emotional, logistical capacity but should we sacrifice everything we love for charity? Ganga was more than a charity case - perhaps like a likeable neighbor but would anyone not be affected by seeing a much dearly loved child sprinkled with kerosine screaming for help, about to be burnt alive. I am not saying that she should have handed over Ganga to Ratan but that she didn't - she just did not stop Ganga from leaving. Is that such a big crime if you see the full picture? Maybe Jagya was angry because he expected sainthood from his Mom or his own attachment to Ganga is far greater than Sumi's attachment to her. I can understand his anger - he himself was traumatized and afraid for 2 people who mean a lot to him but I can't understand forum members anger on Sumi.

I also read endless discussions about Ganga being selfish / cheap as she fell in love with Jagya despite having a child to take care of and many pressing problems. How she should not be thinking about him after leaving that house. I find that weird. Humans are capable of handling multiple roles in parallel - as a parent, child, sibling, spouse and career person. We definitely need to prioritize, based on the phase of life we are in and current circumstances but that she anyways did. From being a severely abused housewife to a financially independent woman is no small feat. Life has been cruel to her and she has been fighting to her level best. If in between she responds to some very attractive qualities she finds in her benefactor, what's the harm. Does that take something away from her motherhood? Is walking in the rain that bad or the forum is over reacting 😊? After all that trauma, I think we should cut some slack. Yes, that truck thing might have been very close but we all have our weak moments - when we lose perspective or awareness and she had far more reasons than I have ever heard of.


Also, read a forum member's post about how people were judgemental about her relationship to her adopted child. Well, I wish you luck 😊. People are always judgemental about anything that's different. I am a working Mom and I get that all the time, in office people feel I am not doing justice to my talent as I have chosen to slow down my career for better work life balance and at home people feel that I am too ambitious that I can't be a full time Mom to my kid esp as my work is more out of choice than any financial need. So I guess we all do what works for us 😊.




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Posted: 12 years ago
It is a different thing to spend more on your own children etc . You can lead your own life , with your riches , servants , better prospects for ur own children and a fleeting sympathy for the unfortunate which can be dismissed in an instant later as u get embroiled in ur own life .

But the moment a human crisis situation arises , the bottom line of life is addressed ...u r just a human being and so is that unfortunate person . It always is trading one human being for another .

Now what is said is this ...is that trade so wrong . Isn't it natural .

Ask ur conscience . I f it pricks , yup , it is wrong . It is one of those things that u can do but u r not supposed to do .

u see , the thought process that my butt is more special than the other human being's butt IS wrong .

The abuser would have burnt them alive if Ganga was given up or not given up .

U can lead the same life next day when things go to normal ...send ur kids to better schools , have servants , enjoy ur wealth . Every day of ur life is not a human crisis day . Jagya did not bring Ganga home to give her the rights and life of the haveli lot . He brought her home to keep her safe and determine what was the best she could do in her unfortunate circumstances . Nursing . He wanted her to be independent , have a vocation and care for her child as a single parent .

Which of the haveli lot was expected to learn nursing ?

As i see it , neither was haveli lot expected to give the abused woman their lifestyle nor were they expected to be communists and give it up and embrace a common lifestyle . The haveli was used as a temporary shelter for her till she stood on her own feet and moved out . Just the way one would take in a bird with a broken wing and look after it till it grew strong enough to fly out .

The shock that Jagya or Bhairon felt was at the true colours surfacing in the human crisis situation , they crossed humanity somewhere , they insisted that humanity was for a selected few . I think the difference of opinion lies in that thinking somewhere .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: hima_123

[ the fact that Jagya could not have chosen to be a doctor for himself at seventeen or eighteen in itself is sufficient for me to say...it was ok for Jagya to be a doctor for others...it was ok for Jagya to get into an agricultural university for his village. But it was NOT ok for him to be a doctor for HIMSELF...all the lies from Jagya came later. Bhairon's restrictions on letting his own son be a doctor for his own sake...is enough for me to understand that having personal ambitions was not ok in BV.

Hima,
I'm sorry, I still don't agree. I think Bhairon would have been perfectly okay for Jagya to become a doctor for HIMSELF and not for broader community interests or rural health development issues.
But there was a character flaw in Jagya -- Jagya rarely defended his interest with any kind of passion. Rather, he rationalized his interest and his approach was mostly rejection of the unwanted...rather than a firm obsessive passion of going towards what he wanted. (he applied this strategy both to his daaktari education as well as his subsequent rejection of anandi).
All Bhairon had seen till now was a sort of wishy washy child who had sort of one interest one day and another interest another day. Bhairon also had doubts about his son's 'kaabiliyat' given that his son had a history of forging report cards, gambling, etc. etc. etc. Bhairon had never seen any firm evidence of Jagya's own passion for pursuing a career in medicine and Bhairon took this as a fancy.
Jagya too never defended his passion (if he had any) to Bhairon. Rather he took the rationalization mechanism route.
In direct contrast, for instance, Anandi always had a firm passion for social service even when she was a child, and had a firm passion for setting right injustices. It would be very easy to see that anandi had a commitment to her profession.
Gauri too, it has been shown, wanted to be a doctor since 2nd grade. Her mother once took out the toy stethoscope she would wear even as a child. And bade papa too talked about the toy stethoscope she would wear when he reminded her of her aspirations since young age that she had nurtured.
If Bhairon had sensed the same intensity of purpose, focus and dedication from Jagya for his chosen career, I am sure he would have supported Jagya's personal aspirations even to be an astronaut 😆😆. But jagya never made a just case for why he wanted to be a doctor (personal aspiration)... and rather chose to rationalize it through social issues etc.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ruchisahay

but I can't understand forum members anger on Sumi.


@ruchisahay --
Here is my personal view only.
I fully agree with sumi upto a point. And that point is letting Ganga leave that night.
I fail to understand what purpose was served in expending ganga at that point.
Ganga had already secured admission to the nursing college. It was only a matter of time before her course started and she would be far, far away in Karnataka (not even in the same state of Rajasthan)... it was just a question of the interim.
Secondly, Ratan singh already had an independent sense of vendetta towards the singhs now ... because of Basant's beating him and naturally he will blame suguna for getting him arrested.
Would sending Ganga away really help any cause at this point? I mean, even if Ganga is not at the haveli, the damage has already been done and rattan singh can still attack them to take revenge even if Ganga no longer lives with them.
So I just feel, it would have been best to keep ganga at the haveli until the nursing college plan came to fruition and send her off well.
Edited by sectoreight - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
this thread is very good going
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

. Just the way one would take in a bird with a broken wing and look after it till it grew strong enough to fly out .


It's interesting you mention this analogy.
I too took in a young fledgling that had fallen out of its nest. My intention was to nurse it back to health and then have it fly out. I felt the baby bird would be eaten by crows or cats if it was on the ground.
Unfortunately, after I brought the bird in, the parents of the baby, took to flying inside my home through the windows and pecking me on the head -- they somehow thought I was attacking the bird or perhaps that I had removed it deliberately from its nest to hurt it. For two days, I took to wearing sunglasses in my own home, because I didn't want the parent bird to poke my eyes out. I also started wearing a motorbike helmet INSIDE MY OWN HOME because I didn't want my ears to be exposed. I closed the windows for the third day, but had to go out, and as soon as I stepped outside the door, the birds came flying at me like a B-52 bomber.
After two days, I decided that the baby bird was not worth my eyesight or hearing being poked out by its parents, so I too much like sumi, put the baby bird with its broken wing out on the ground under the nest, exactly where it had fallen out. I decided to let the parents take care of it as they would have if I had not been there to intervene.
The parent birds stopped bothering me. 😆😆😆
I cant see the baby bird anymore. Have no idea whether it was eaten by a crow or a cat ... or whether the parents moved it somewhere else.
Was I a sumi?
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sectoreight

It's interesting you mention this analogy.
I too took in a young fledgling that had fallen out of its nest. My intention was to nurse it back to health and then have it fly out. I felt the baby bird would be eaten by crows or cats if it was on the ground.
Unfortunately, after I brought the bird in, the parents of the baby, took to flying inside my home through the windows and pecking me on the head -- they somehow thought I was attacking the bird or perhaps that I had removed it deliberately from its nest to hurt it. For two days, I took to wearing sunglasses in my own home, because I didn't want the parent bird to poke my eyes out. I also started wearing a motorbike helmet INSIDE MY OWN HOME because I didn't want my ears to be exposed. I closed the windows for the third day, but had to go out, and as soon as I stepped outside the door, the birds came flying at me like a B-52 bomber.
After two days, I decided that the baby bird was not worth my eyesight or hearing being poked out by its parents, so I too much like sumi, put the baby bird with its broken wing out on the ground under the nest, exactly where it had fallen out. I decided to let the parents take care of it as they would have if I had not been there to intervene.
The parent birds stopped bothering me. 😆😆😆
I cant see the baby bird anymore. Have no idea whether it was eaten by a crow or a cat ... or whether the parents moved it somewhere else.
Was I a sumi?


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no , u were not . What does one do if an angry snake comes hissing at u for trying to help its trapped young one coz u r an animal lover . Its just one of those things .
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

The shock that Jagya or Bhairon felt was at the true colours surfacing in the human crisis situation , they crossed humanity somewhere , they insisted that humanity was for a selected few . I think the difference of opinion lies in that thinking somewhere .

Brilliant! Yes. this is the key issue. They insisted that humanity was for a selected few.

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