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Posted: 12 years ago
Quite a feverish discussion.

I DON'T think there is 'much ado over nothing' going on here. The hug is a big deal. In the entertainment world, males and females think nothing of hugging and giving air kisses to each other however generally it is not condoned for males and females to demonstrate affection publicly. Heck, even married couples are embarrassed when caught even just holding hands. That's just how it is in India (my frame of reference).

I finally watched the controversial episode and wanted to further add my take.

1. Yes Jagya was quite remorseful. He genuinely did not wish to malign Ganga. HOWEVER, I don't think he realized that he was maligning ANANDI as well. What made his remorse indigestible was that he qualified his apology with an excuse...'sorry, I didn't mean to. It wasn't me, it was the bhang'. What would have proved his growth in his reformation was if he said, 'I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. And it should not have happened. I should have had better control of myself'. That statement would have validated Ganga. By making excuses he was invalidating the sense of umbrage that she was feeling.

2. the Singh's (well Dadisa more so) did admit that whatever happened was wrong. But she should have put her money where her mouth is and used it as a teachable moment for Jagya. She could have sat her Laadesar down and explained to him about a women's Lajja. I'm sure Jagya does understand already, but coming from an adored female family member makes an even greater impact.

3. I feel that the Cv's intentionally crafted Ganga's reaction and explanation;
A) to enable her to give Jagya that final push to get over Anandi, when he comes to find out how damaging his love for a married woman can be.
B) to edge Jagya closer towards redemption with the above realization.
C) to prevent Ganga from becoming the villain but rather the savior of Jagya with her carefully penned dialogues.
D) last but not least, this incident becomes a social message as well. This past weekend everyone has been debating this quite passionately. This much talked about scene has, if nothing else, created awareness about Eve Teasing and the implications.

I recall this week in Mahadev ( courtesy of the written update)

Lakshmiji tells Vishnu, that Parvati had told Shivji, if he is unable to get the Gajara then she will forget about him. Then he'll have to work hard to remind her. But this seems like Devi Parvati's test, not Shivji's. Vishnuji enlightens, Parvati's hard work is visible, she is like a child now, needs guidance. Where as Shivji's work is more difficult, like a mother he sees the child not being able to walk but he has to stop himself from helping her. His Akarma is his Shram.


Vishnuji says this shows Parvati is searching her self with Shivji's help. If you will notice the true meaning of Aadi Shakti's Leela, it's explaining the World about the Ashtanga Yoga. This is her Kripa on the world.

So too I feel the Cv's are using Ganga to help Jagya find himself and help Singh's realise their folly. Through this they are explaining to us about certain social evils pertaining to a women's lajja.

Edited by parri814 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
v know what jagya do kands and i know bhairon never supported his kands right from childhood and he will never support his kand in future too and also singh family supported aasha when dhonghi baba try to molest her .dadisa was uncessary strict to bahus but she will never support such type of cheap things
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Yash.Pal


Hi Mahi,

I always have had great respect for your posts and your thoughts. I am sorry my post has offended you.

My thought was simple. I have a younger sister, very pretty, married, very vulnerable. If someone on our street had drunk bhang on Holi day and embraced her, I would have beaten the day lights out of that man. I am fiercely protective abt my family. I saw the episode thru that prism. I know it is a fictional character, but wished CVs had not done that to his character.

I have never referred to the actor's name, always referred as Jagya 'the character'.

As to why women took up cudgels, well I saw I was a man defending Ganga's modesty and all women saying it was ok that J embraced her. I still feel it was very odd that more women did not see my pov.

Any way enough has been said. I don't come to the Forum to stir controversies. Enough, I am outta here, you won't hear from me on this thread.

Bye for now


@bold who said here like this may be i need a microscope because i cannot see it The women are only not hanging Jagaya to death only because of some reasons first he didn't mean any harm here, 2 he was not in his senses , 3 he is truly sorry over his mistake . 4 he will correct it if anything went wrong Thats why they ( including me )are not digging his grave Is it wrong ? God give us several chances for out innumerable blunders in everyday can't we human beings give one chance to a person who is truly sorry over his mistake ?

Wish cvs have not done ,wish cvs have not done many things Personally i found Ganga defense for Anandi here by her these lines to Jagaya you promised her to move on .A horrible message cvs are trying to give Anandi badly needs to be reprimanded for the way she went on to emotionally blackmail him for marriage but here in serial everyone is singing her greatness songs it will end up a horrible message for people in real life everyone will end bullying someone to marriage and end up ruining two lives

and i don't understand for what the issue is being made You are protective about your family thats great i too am Here Jagaya did not molested Ganga if by mistake he hugged her i don;t approve it as right but what makes me give him a chance seeing him truly sorry This mistake is correctable so why he deserves to hanged for it i don't understand

i have respected your views as well but i do am offended by your statements especially that women part I am a woman i will do anything for self respect of woman but i am a human being too so with that if i give two pieces of understanding to Jagaya when i feel he is not a hard core criminal here that doesn't make me an amusement thing that how come i am defending a man while i should be fighting for woman .That doesn't make sense to me

Anyways bye hope to catch you in some good discussion next time
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: parri814

Quite a feverish discussion.


I recall this week in Mahadev ( courtesy of the written update)

Lakshmiji tells Vishnu, that Parvati had told Shivji, if he is unable to get the Gajara then she will forget about him. Then he'll have to work hard to remind her. But this seems like Devi Parvati's test, not Shivji's. Vishnuji enlightens, Parvati's hard work is visible, she is like a child now, needs guidance. Where as Shivji's work is more difficult, like a mother he sees the child not being able to walk but he has to stop himself from helping her. His Akarma is his Shram.


Vishnuji says this shows Parvati is searching her self with Shivji's help. If you will notice the true meaning of Aadi Shakti's Leela, it's explaining the World about the Ashtanga Yoga. This is her Kripa on the world.

So too I feel the Cv's are using Ganga to help Jagya find himself and help Singh's realise their folly. Through this they are explaining to us about certain social evils pertaining to a women's lajja.


Great post Parri👏.

Speaking of Mahadev, i feel shiv's character in BV is inspired from Lord Shiva from Shiva Trilogy by Amish Tripati. The characters Shiv and Anandi are so much like Lord Shiva and Sati from that series. This couple is so perfect for each other...they embrace each other so well and both of them bring out the best from their partner just like Shiva and Sati!
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Posted: 12 years ago
@TM,you haven't called him rapist or molester but you have written in one thread that there are rapists who rapes due to intoxication and it cant be a excuse,something like that.So its clear that you are comparing him with a rapist.Its a strong statement.The thing you haven't said directly,but indirectly pointed out.You even said that he was lusting a married woman,actually he was not.Lust was nowhere shown in that episode so I was talking about that.When I pointed that you are clearing it to me because you didn't intended to call him a rapist or molester.Same thing happened with jagya.He never intended to molest or tease ganga but you are accusing jagya on the issue that he hasn't intended to do.It was due to hallucination.So as I support jagya in this situation I am clarifying it to you.

Anyways,you haven't call him a rapist and I didn't say for once that you called him that.I was referring to another member who clearly said in her post that what would have happened or will happen if jagya rapes ganga.I don't understand why some people taking it to such an extent by naming jagya a rapist or molester.You have a right to condemn him regarding the hug.Everyone has their opinion but in my opinion comparing him with a rapist or molester or eve teaser and directly thinking that he was lusting anandi(though he didn't) and could have raped ganga(according to a member) was very bad in taste.
Edited by shankythebest - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
This is something going on as usual Jagaya is a pinata here beat him left right top bottom each time for everything Members want him to redeem move on from past but all themselves are still stuck on past ?and whats wrong if he said he didn't mean to , he was drunk it is a normal human reaction here what he is suppose to do here say to Ganga i am really sorry i tried to molest you but fact is who takes him as human being here His redemption is always questioned seeing a teaser trailer of thing next day all either don't show up or either biting their nails o it wasn''t like that just like all were bashing him when he asked Anandi to search for his bride he cornered Anandi in the function he is jealous this that many were after him here next day what story came out 🥱Singhs let them defend him for something trying to understand him World ended This is something which will go on and on never ending Nothing new in it

and cvs they have gone bonkers They just are up to connect this new Anandi with all so coming with extremely silly scenarios double standards from them for their own story and second now its time for Ganga's mahaanta so mess with jagaya Someone please tell me how did this woman who is troubled so much from her past has become so happy so soon that she is up to deliver others lectures to move on .In rocket jet speed she has moved on
Edited by mahi12 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
'he asked Anandi to search for his bride he cornered Anandi in the function'

Bang on mahi.I was just about to mention this specific line.People hate him so much that they even imagined before the episode that he was cornering anandi to search for his bride and taking revenge.When I read that post or thread whatever I was like oh god again cvs are making him negative.He misbehaved with anandi!How can he,cvs can't show him like this once again.I was so confused.I decided to not watch that episode.I watched it when I got to know from comments that the scenario was so different.But what actually happened!Anandi was jumping with joy,her eyes filled with tears obviously khushi ke asu when he asked her to search bride for him.Once again without watching the next episode bashing jagya badly depending on presumptions started.
Edited by shankythebest - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
i am dead confused because i cannot understand all this critcisim going on Singhs Singhs did not defend Jagaya's action they only try to show to Ganga Jagaya is not that sort of person who will molest woman in public he didn't intend that so she might not run away Is it wrong ?😕whats wrong in it 😳None liked Jagaya 's action he himself didn't so criticism for what ?They were not defending his action but making Ganga feel better not to take jagya as molesters type of guy

Secondly Jagaya didn't mean any harm here The thing is all this is just early for him The guy is going through an emotional struggle in its early stages trying to control these things within him but unfortunately he was made to drink so he lost control next time won't drink or will he would have moved on far away from these thoughts

Thirdly its an attempt from cvs to make Ganga do something for him and be a reason he moves on from past for that they messed up with him once again in a nonsense way 🤢Actually they want to do something different than Anandi madam here and Jagaya is their punch bag to show greatness of other characters so he is always made to do things like this so he wrong all others good Cvs are up to their old tricks They themselves will never redeem but may be at the end of this they might end up showing him now throwing Anandi's' stuff in some canal and next time if she calls to him lecture him for something he blasts her mind your own life


so why so much hue and cry here 😕



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Posted: 12 years ago
@Shinya

That act is wrong and deserves angry reaction. And I did not compare him to a rapist. All I said was that a wrong act is wrong and intoxication is no excuse for it. Nor is depression. Reasons like emotional disturbance and intoxication lessen one's punishment they do not erase his wrong.

Also if you had any idea of Indian culture then you'd know that hugging a person of opposite sex (unless he or she is much older or your sibling) is a big deal and discouraged whether it is done in a sexual way or not.

DS and Singhs' reaction was too mild and they did nothing except give constipated looks and then try to stand for Jagya's character. Whereas if th same was done by say, Anandi and she'd hugged someone else seeing Jagya in him under influence of bhang then DS would've slapped her there and then and said, "Pagal ho gayi hai ke beendni!"

We have seen how Anandi still gets ridiculed by Sanchi herself who thinks she phasao-ed her brother. And how Ganga's character was maligned by villagers though they knew she was a victim of atrocities.

But a man can behave like a khulla saand and there is no problem except for a measly "Jo huo acho na huo!"???!!! Bas! That's all?

A man can make a puppy face and be forgiven.

I am also amused how some said that Ganga was showing attitude to Singhs and Jagya!

She is a self respecting woman. And had every right to even slap Jagya or pack her bags and leave the haveli in fear of her safety and izzat. It is her greatness and gratitude towards Singhs that she reacted less. Rather she was cleaning furniture there like a maid without saying anything till they called her or Jagya went to her.

Don't try to divert the issue saying CVs mauled Jagya's character to show Ganga great. Heck! Didn't they introduce a beaten up Ganga just to show Jagya as a hero and allow him to do penance for what he had done to Anandi? Till the time that character served to make Daakctar saab a hero no one had problem. Now they say Ganga showed attitude.

Dragging Anandi herein and blaming her is unwarranted. It was DS who kept crying and wailing to her about her laadesar. She called at midnight and ruined her SR, she went to her house to talk about Jagya and even to Shiv's office to talk about the same! It is Anandi's gratitde and respect and Shiv's respect and greatness that they tried to talk of Jagya's remarriage or Shiv allowed Anandi to meet Jagya and make him agree to consider remarriage.

People ask who ruined Jagya's life? The answer is simple! It is Dadisa's over-pampering and Bhairon-Sumitra's weak parenting that ruined his life! As a kid he had seen DS twisting laws with might of her lies and bribing and it is no wonder that he himself resorted to same when he grew up.

The Singhs and Jagya better pull up their socks at least now! Or else they will forever have their heads hanging in guilt or begging for forgiveness! From Khajaan to Shiv beta, from Anandi to Ganga...they keep saying sorry all the time and still get back to their ways after a period of regret and live in their jhoothi shaan!

Ab toh line pe aa jaana chahiye inko!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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LOL! Jagya's CV! Ha!

For that just feedback from Charak Medical College & Hospital and SNG Hospital is enough (where he pelted stones just because a senior rebuked him for not paying attention!). We do not need Gauri or Anandi or Khajaan or Jetsar people for that.

Daaktaar babu is great.

Somehow it reminds me of that scene in Sholay in which Amitabh was describing Veeru's "qualities" to Basanti's mausi and time to time adding - "lekin aadmi dil ka bahut acha hai, usmein aur koi khot nahi"! LMAO!

Dekhte hain ji Jagya ki umpteenth reformation. Frankly I am bored of watching his kaands and reformation or regret. Kuch naya dikhao. Even Basant reformed once and for all.
They should make this Jaggu dada stable and end the serial instead of repeating same trash.

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