Haha Jagya & Singhs! - Page 13

@Sidra

The point about women defending Jagya was brought up by Yashpal and not me so do not club me with him.

Finally, Jagya has committed and apologised (and for some, not apologised) for several blunders throughout life. How many times will we keep understanding him? If you understand him and wish to give him a chance or excuse him then fine but there are many who are tired of his blunders now too.

I personally find it a disgusting act done to any woman and I hate it even more if I think of myself in Ganga's place and anyone else doing it to me in public.

That is all. He needs solid guidance pronto than mere defense!

@Skepblun ..i repeated your line you yourself said it was instant reaction in anger so i am not being judgemental on you i just repeated your line 😕Didn't you say so before to me 😲or i mistook you I am sorry if you felt bad but i repeated your own line

Originally posted by: Skepblun

@Sidra

The point about women defending Jagya was brought up by Yashpal and not me so do not club me with him.

Finally, Jagya has committed and apologised (and for some, not apologised) for several blunders throughout life. How many times will we keep understanding him? If you understand him and wish to give him a chance or excuse him then fine but there are many who are tired of his blunders now too.

I personally find it a disgusting act done to any woman and I hate it even more if I think of myself in Ganga's place and anyone else doing it to me in public.

That is all. He needs solid guidance pronto than mere defense!

who said i am only refering to him not you why are you taking it to you ?if you didn;t say then you should understand i am not talking about you Pretty strange to me if you didn't say then why taking my point to you did i took your name ?i didn't even took that person's name but indirectly targeted like he is doing

For me bv is a fictional show which has a great story and gives good messages unlike other shows.I watch this only for entertainment.So getting serious on how can women support Jagya,he is almost a rapist,he molested ganga,he could have raped anandi,ganga's izzat is at stake in the haveli,women supporting jagya means they are supporting rapists kind of talks are going over my head.I would like a character if cvs are intended to make him liked by everyone.I like Jagya as in chota jagya more than choti anandi.As a viewer I developed a soft spot for him even though he used to make mistakes most of the time.Then when he grew up the way he used to take care of anandi and support her,love her my attachment increased to this character.when he cheated anandi I hated him.But was waiting him to redeem.And his redemption is on.The way cvs are showing him not at all matches the way some people are trying to portray. Because cvs always kept a soft spot inside him.They always showed him as a good person but not perfect one.He makes mistakes and feels sorry for that.How many times he will make mistake and say sorry,is a lame question.If you want to compare it with real life then there are hundreds of people who does thousands of mistakes and don't even regret for once in his or her whole life and live their life happily and die without regretting and without getting any punishment.If you believe in the theory that if one does mistakes saying sorry is of no use,then its ok.But I believe in the theory that people will make mistakes,they will done sins but if you have made mistakes you have to say sorry,you have to regret.Jagya was never a character who molested women.In Bazigaar hero kills an innocent girl to take revenge from his father and also a girl who was a witness.But still at the end I sympathize with him though he was a murderer.The point is how the character is portrayed.Jagya is portrayed just like that.In real life this kind of hallucination doesn't happens.Most of the things shown in bv doesn't happens in real life.So comparing him with real molesters or rapists is absurd.

Originally posted by: mahi12

you are behaving too wrong you have not right to object anyone for bold part i am seriously amused at your behavior if you find some posts interesting thats your POV who gave you right to object on others like this Going off the topic are you by this kind of replies and who brought actor none only you and TM are Who said here you are bashing actor here ?A very strange post in my view you have posted Complete meaning less

@mahi

I said the words which some found abusive were an instant reaction not the entire post. And I gave example of family just in addition to the many others who support the same view both in this thread and the WU thread of this episode.

@Sidra

I made that post only to clarify lest I got clubbed with YP's post. That is all.

@shankythebest

I liked little Jagya too and even grown up Jagya when he used to visit her native village in disguise just to see her and send her gifts and letters through Phooli. It is only later I started disliking him with all the blunders he did and literally played with laws, norms and others' lives after going to college and all.

I never compared Jagya to rapists or said he molested Ganga! You're giving me response over something I never said.

But yes whether you admit it or not, hugging a woman like this in public is not right and is serious. I have explained enough how and in what context it is serious. I have not called it rape or molestation!

Originally posted by: Skepblun

@Shinya

Jagya's two good acts of saving Anandi from kidnappers or Ganga from Ratan are few in number compared to his BLUNDERS since childhood.

Second, I was giving an example of how wrong actions CANNOT be justified or let off just because a person is emotionally unstable or disturbed. I DID NOT call Jagya a rapist! So do NOT accuse me of saying what I DID NOT SAY!

And I admire Jagya for the good acts he did but then he should maintain that na? What's this getting intoxicated and all?

Yes staying at house of paraya mard and throwing colour at paraya mard is also not Indian culture. But it is not as WORSE and does not have as much ramifications as a man hugging a woman who is not related to him and taking the name of another woman who is now married to someone else.

Ganga has only come to take shelter at Singhs house and her throwing colour or dancing is not as bad as physical contact that Jagya did. It is all relative. Ganga's behaviour "might" give some skeptics or gossipmongers to look down upon her whereas this action by Jagya is "more sure" to shock others and make people look down upon Ganga or make Ganga herself feel embarrassed.

There is "degree" of every wrong.

Aise toh even putting mehndi or colour on widows is against Indian culture but CM and DS did participate in all this. But it is not as embarassing or having possible negative/insulting ramifications as Jagya's act. I hope I made myself clear. Thanks.

You are saying 'blunders'... I agree. And because he made blunders, you are making a criminal out of him? I know you did not call jagya a rapist, but you gave an example that is not applicable to him.

you are saying he should maintain the good acts, where has he killed anyone or molested anyone?

If he spoilt the lives of two women as you are stating, then who spoilt his life? He was also married as a child. His marriage with gauri woud not have been illegal if he had approached the court before the age of 23 to declare his first marriage illegal. The story of balikavadhu would have been different today had he done that at the right time.

In a way, he was also trapped. You brought up his his past which had no relevance to the current hug issue.

Frist of all the hug of which you made such an issue was to only wish happy holi, even if it was Anandi in ganga's place. There was no sexual inclination in his hug if that is what you are trying to imply.

He had made it very clear to anandi that he still has fond memories of her. So anandi and shiv would probably understand him. You are going about like ganga should have slapped him... Why will ganga slap him when she also undestands him? And the villagers would also understand that he did it under nasha of bhang. So the issue is over. Nothing is bad, worse or worst.

You are agreeing that they are broad minded people, widows playing holi and putting mehndi... then I dont think anyone would object to a hug to a friend like ganga just to say 'happy holi'. He did hot hug any girl walking on the road in public.

What you wrote was in a fit of anger without properly analysing the situation. It was kind of biased showing your hatred towards a character.

Thanks. Good night.

Originally posted by: surabhi01

samvi in precap ganga is showing attitude and dadisa looking at her angrily and shocking and in yesterday episode he asked two time sorry on outside when they playing holi next time he asked sorry when ganga was cleaning table but still ganga show attitude .as far i know jagya character he is confusing he was cheater he was selfish but i cannot say he is eve teaser or rapist because he never think about it and i remember how he save gauri from ragging when some senior doctor try to rag gauri so how can v think that he can do such kind of cheap thing towards ganga .he himself dont know how he did it and even apologise it to ganga so why drama by ganga . ganga should have told jagya no need to ask sorry from me u should ask sorry from anandi

Hy Surbhi, if you will see the way Ganga is sulking its looks like as if she is Jagya's wedded wife and caught him red handed hugging another woman.

Come on CVs please don't degrade woman, if you don't have any topic/story left to show, its okay but don't show these nonsense stuff.

Guys all the actors: DS, Bhairon, Basant etc., are following the scripts only its not their fault if they are not making sense..

So just chill..chill.. chill..😊😛😉

where dadisa supported jagya behaviour in saturday episode she is also upset ?????? .she clearly said that jo hua accha na hua .she even said to ganga ki jo hua galat hua pur ek baar jagya ki baat to sunlo.and mahaveer singh try to molest dadisa and dadisa run away from there and complain in panchayat .so do u think dadisa will support molestation if ever jagya to do ???? and ganga also clearly said nashe ki halat galti ho jaati hai

Originally posted by: Skepblun

Now to clarify some things:

Brief list of some of Jagya's kaands (proper description will fill a whole new thread of 100s of pages!):

- Stole exam question papers as a kid

- Cheated in exams

- Lied to school master

- Brought mobiles, dirty magazines and videogames to school

- Bunked school to do this dirty stuff along with his friend Sundar

- Read dirty magazines stealthily at home

- Tried to peep into Anandi's room when she used to change.

- Ran away from home after stealing money from Dadisa's cupboard

- Lied to college about his name and domicile (which is a CRIME punishable by law in India)

- As a kirayedaar also, he lied to Kundatai about everything from his name, domicile to even marital status.

- Got drunk repeatedly and created danga at bars in Mumbai (creating ruckus at public places can also land up a person in jail)

- He lied to Gauri and her family about his name, family background and native place and marital status

- He abused Anandi in worst ways and told others that he had thrown her out of his life.

- He demoralized Anandi and belittled her every time he returned to Jetsar in his MBBS during vacation.

- He stopped Anandi from studying after tenth.

- He hid details of his marital status from the Court before getting that court marriage done with Gauri.

- He bribed peon at Court to get his marriage done. Bribing is a punishable offence.

- He gave away family heirloom in bribe.

- He created ruckus in drunk state at his own place in Mumbai and insulted even his friends at a party he and Gauri had thrown.

- He misbehaved with his seniors at hospital and threw stones at the hospital entrance when he was rebuked for his indiscipline.

- He even rudely treated his patients when he was frustrated with Gauri and his own ego issues.

- He lied to college to obtain leave when he had to go to Jetsar and extended his holiday without sending any application to hospital/college. When called to admin office he instead showed attitude and thus got banned from giving exams.

- Later he did not even try to re-appear in his exams and complete his degree.

- He did tamasha with Anandi and Singhs over divorce and property also.

- He was so unstable that he would at times dream of Anandi even when Gauri was pregnant with his child! 🤢

- He did not use his brain and blasted away Anandi blaming her for Gauri's miscarriage.

- He shamelessly came to Bhago's funeral to do some black magic stuff! Couldn't he use his brains and refuse Gauri? Or leave the house but throw that stuff elsewhere and lie to Gauri about placing it at funeral instead of actually doing the deed?

- He then left Gauri also, returned to Jetsar, rotted in drunk state and created ruckus again at bars.

- He got into fist fight with Shiv also on the road and got jailed.

- Despite knowing that Anandi was now engaged to get married to Shiv, and knowing all that Shiv and Anandi had done for him, he selfishly tried to influence Shiv and coerce him into saying NO to Anandi in marriage.

- He tried to influence Dadisa to somehow break Shiv-Anandi marriage and give Anandi back to him. (Sharam ko bech ke khaa gaya tha kya?)

- He still looks in anger and jealousy at Shiv-Anandi and can't accept that she is still not waiting for him.

etc. etc. etc...

(These are just SOME of the SEVERAL kaands that Jagdish Maharaj has been doing since childhood. Okay, for some of them we can make excuses like he did it under influence of friends like Sundar or hormones or Dadisa's pampering...but HOW many times and how MANY of his SINS are going to get excused?!

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, has he really changed? Has he REALLY made up for the blunders he made? Has he ever become a sane, reliable guy with some self control and manners? Has his fickleness and unpredictability gone for good? Does he know how to work with others or is he fine at Jetsar hospital because it is his own baap ka hospital?! - I DO NOT think I am sure about it!)

- I have always been critical of Singhs in handling of Jagya or their handling of other matters relating to Gehna, Sumitra, Gauri, Anandi and their families. It's not like I am some AnSh fan who "suddenly" thinks of Singhs as villains and is unkind to "poor" Jagya. I have been on this forum since 2010 and members are most welcome to check my previous posts to see if my criticism of Singhs is recent or not or if I am some Gauri sympathiser.

- Dadisa has made others (beendnis and even their families!) suffer worst for even perceived mistakes but has been soft on Jagya for far too long. She forbade even Bhairon from disciplining him and this is why we have such a fickle guy in front of us. Bhairon for all his so-called idealism is a weak parent and failed to impart correct morals and values and proper sex education to his kids (no wonder Sugna got pregnant before Gauna and Jagya harbours polygamous tendencies).

Sumitra always stands like a statue. A doting but failed mother IMO who never knew how to guide her kids.

- The Singhs either defend Jagya or cover up his mistakes, or ignore and stay blind to whatever he does or simply disown him or beat him up and throw him out to his fate.

That is where they have ALWAYS been WRONG! That is not how you take responsibility of your kid!

Have they ever sat with him and had a proper, sensible talk about values and how to behave in a civil society? Have they ever tried to give him wise counsel as parents? NO! (Remember the talk that Anupam Kher gives to Shahid in the film Vivah? Or the talk that Mohnish Behl gives to Salman in Hum Saath Saath Hain after his engagement?That is how parents and elders are supposed to GUIDE their kids!)

Why expect a Ganga or Anandi to counsel or uplift him? Why shirk their own responsibility? 😲

- They knew he was out of sorts during Shiv-Anandi marriage, so why wasn't at least one of them always there with him to divert his attention, lighten up his mood or counsel him? Why they left him to deal with it all himself despite knowing what a feeble and fickle guy their laadesar is?

- The Singhs and Jagya made Ganga stay with them on basis of a certain trust that she was safe there. And safety for an Indian woman means that she will not even have to face any crappy gaze let alone have a paraya mard touch her or hug her!

Is this the maryada and safety that Singh haveli niwasis have to offer?

- *Just a hug*😲 Sorry! But hugging a married woman who is also mother of a child and has left her husband and is yet to be divorced is WRONG in Indian culture! Religions and culture in India consider it a SIN to even touch a parayi naari.

Intoxication or not is no excuse for such acts!

As an Indian female, I hate even being gazed at by any male or if anyone "accidentally" brushes past me (many others feel same) and here we are talking of an intoxicated man suddenly turning up and hugging you in front of the entire village and clan? It is a DISGRACE. 😵

You already bear brunt of society's lashes as a runaway, left out wife who is living in someone else's house. But you stay on thinking the family and the guy who saved you are trustworthy and your well wishers. In your gratitude you give them all respect but in return they instead blindly defend the guy for hugging you in public in an intoxicated state? I felt very bad for Ganga!

- I as a viewer had problem with Anandi even imagining her SR with Jagya while Shiv was trying to get intimate with her and we all at this forum criticised her for even thinking of Jagya's memories. Here Jagya not only thinks of her but he also hugs another woman taking Anandi's name?!

If we have problem with even thought process, then here is an actual ACT that has been committed! How can it be taken lightly?

Indian culture and religions say that even thinking of a married woman (someone else's wife) is a sin. Jaggu saab thought of Anandi (Shiv's wife) and hugged Ganga (who's still not his wife and not divorced from Ratan Singh).

That was tom-foolery! Other drunk guys weren't even hugging their own wives whereas Jagya hugged Ganga!👏

- The Singhs want to help Ganga in legal proceedings of her divorce from Ratan. Don't they know how such an act done publicly can be used against Ganga when it comes to the divorce case and Mannu's custody? Much of the village already insults Ganga. And if Ratan tries to weaken Ganga's case for Mannu's custody by questioning her character and using such incidents then?!

Everyone knows that this so called mistake of Jagya is PUBLIC SHAME for Ganga (that she does not feel it or is ready to forgive it is another matter but for society it is!).

How could Singhs react SO MILDLY despite knowing what implications such acts have for a WOMAN in OUR SOCIETY and especially THAT conservative village where they live?

- How could Bhairon defend Jagya's character and call him good and all WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING what kartoot his son had done?

Does it mean he subconsciously willingly kept bowing to DS when she forbade him to discipline Jagya?

Where was his idealism etc. before defending someone without even knowing details of what he had done? 😡

- It is NOT about problems with Singhs "loving" their son. It is about being light on him, blindly and hurriedly defending him for what mistake he does and NOT making him regret or feel ashamed at heart for what he did and for NOT guiding him to control himself and BE RESPONSIBLE!

They just fly to defend him and say waise woh bura nahi hai instead of taking some solid step (which means guidance and realisation and calling to Jagya's and their own conscience and at least expressing shame, not thapad-baazi).

- Lastly, I've been to many marriage parties and seen men getting drunk but never seen them hugging others' wives despite all the mischief they do. So bhang is no excuse for Jagya. He can be proven innocent. But what about the embarassment that Ganga suffered as a woman?

- Jagya is yet to fully pay for his mistakes or change for good and quit being fickle and start being stable. Curing few patients at baap ka hospital but again going back to same old ways is no penance or reformation.

P.S. - And yeah whatever so-called good that Singhs did for Anandi or Gauri or Ganga was to pay for their own mistakes or deal with their own guilt. It was not a pure angelic act of selfless goodness!