Haha Jagya & Singhs! - Page 12

@Skepblun ...You could deliver your points like the way you are presenting now in your very first post too You are now like saying singhs need to make him understand with proper words not by ABUSE , nor by beating him black and blue why in your very first you yourself are abusing him and its like you are asking Singhs to give him death

Originally posted by: Shinya

@mahi... I agree with your points.
This is the most meaningless thread started by TM with no substance or logic whatsoever.

Going back to the hug, what I think is that if it was actually Anandi whom Jagya had hugged and even if that had happened in Shiv's presence, neither Shiv nor Anandi would mind it because both of them understand him.

But for Ganga who knows jagya for not more than a couple of months to give such a bhashan that anandi is now a married lady.. blah blah was unwarranted.

Well you have replied in rather personal attack ways making remarks about my intelligence and calling even simple words as disgusting. If you disagree with me then please stop getting personal. We are discussing a show and characters here. Not each other.

LOL @ no one minding it had he hugged Anandi if she were present there! 😆 Sorry, but it seems like you do not want to acknowledge reality of Indian culture or societal norms. It would have wreaked HAVOC my dear. Anandi is now married to someone else. And there are LIMITS to how one can behave or express his or her so called affection.

Ganga has every right to feel violated herself and she has every right to point out how wrong it was for Jagya to imagine that for a married woman.

FYI, most people mock Jagya and call it his "kaand" (blunder). Fans are requested to see reason and at least read latter posts first before getting personal in their responses.

I said a lot about J and Singhs but did not use a word for any member. Hope others can do the same.

Anyway, I edited those disgusting words (faltu is disgusting...well these things are worse but a blunder of an intoxicated man hugging a parayi naari is fine.).

Originally posted by: Skepblun

Dear Jagya deewanis like Vidya, I do not care about likes. I wrote it to express against characters' actions and not for likes or yays!

Those who call it a stupid hug and do not wish to see its implications are probably not aware of Indian culture and especially the mindset of conservative areas like Jetsar.

Any self respecting INDIAN woman would've felt violated at Jagya's action and would've feared for her security and safety at the Singh haveli after their defenses.

Frustration or disturbed emotional state do not mean a person can react this way and be excused. Many who go around shooting people at random or raping women are mentally disturbed but it does not mean they are justified.

I have said whatever I had to in clarification and explanation of my POV about Singhs and Jagya in a long post two pages back. I will not repeat myself. Yes I will edit the words which hurt fans. Give me time for it.

All I said that it is not an action to be taken lightly and Singhs have to guide Jagya and pay attention to him now rather than defending him.

One parting example: In Mother India, Nargis beats her son Sunil Dutt with a stick publicly when she sees him teasing and harassing girls. She does this to discipline him despite knowing he is good at heart and it was the girls who provoked him first and he merely retaliated to them.
That is called parenting ad that is what you call guidance - instiling importance of the right path and emphasising wrongness of a mistake no matter what.

Jagya has changed, repented and vowed to change many times, made good progress too but given to fickle impulses every now and then. So this is why I do not trust him.

I do wish he improves and more importantly I want Singhs to take a positive approach to their responsibility to parenting instead of either defending him or beating him up.

As a woman if some guy had hugged me in public I'd have felt violated and insulted even if his family told me he was just intoxicated or depressed or if he had apologised with a puppy face later and even if I had known this was not a bad guy in reality. I feel sorry for Ganga and other womn who bear brunt of such things and are later asked to ignore it as the boy is "inherently good".

@Mahi

I already said I had written that as an instant reaction to an act and reactions which I felt were DISGUSTING and UNWARRANTED. It was double standards.

Sorry to say, though I did edit my post, I do not think words like faltu or lallu are abuse. Worst words have been used for him and other characters in past for their wrong actions. Still I did the editing part. Though I do not mind if threads get closed because my life does not depend on it!

I have clarified from the beginning that it was MY REACTION to Jagya and Singhs and NOT what Singhs or CVs should do to Jagya. And I have also repeatedly said that I expected Singhs to guide him instead of merely defending him (especially Bhairon without knowing anything). I did keep saying I had written about the character and NOT the actors and I did NOT mean to bash characters, actors or their fans. I did keep apologising also. Still if people have problem then the edited topic is there though they have also not shied away from making personal comments on me or twisting whatever I wrote or accusing me of writing what I did not (I have no problems with Singhs loving their son!).

Anyway, let us wait for Monday and see what they do. It was a cheap act in context of Indian culture and disgusting for me to see as a woman. And I stand by this view.

Originally posted by: Skepblun

Dear Jagya deewanis like Vidya, I do not care about likes. I wrote it to express against characters' actions and not for likes or yays!

Those who call it a stupid hug and do not wish to see its implications are probably not aware of Indian culture and especially the mindset of conservative areas like Jetsar.

Any self respecting INDIAN woman would've felt violated at Jagya's action and would've feared for her security and safety at the Singh haveli after their defenses.

Frustration or disturbed emotional state do not mean a person can react this way and be excused. Many who go around shooting people at random or raping women are mentally disturbed but it does not mean they are justified.

Again and again you are ranting about rapists and criminals ... Do you even know the mindset of a rapist and a killer?

Do they help women when they are in distress ? Do they play with their life and save others lives? Jagya rescued Anandi from her kidnappers, he saved Ganga when she was beaten almost to death by her husband. Probably that is also bad according to you??

If you want to give illustrations, make sure they are valid and applicable to the subject in question. Just because you hate him, dont try to add him to a rapist's category.

I know about Indian village culture. No woman who is abandoned by her husband will dance and celebrate holi the way ganga did, she will not splash a bucket of colored water on a paraya mard. But all that was okay because it was holi, isn't it?

And if jagya hugs and says "happy holi" to whoever it might be, he becomes a rapist? No harm in criticizing a character, but please make it a sensible debate..

@Shinya

Jagya's two good acts of saving Anandi from kidnappers or Ganga from Ratan are few in number compared to his BLUNDERS since childhood.

Second, I was giving an example of how wrong actions CANNOT be justified or let off just because a person is emotionally unstable or disturbed. I DID NOT call Jagya a rapist! So do NOT accuse me of saying what I DID NOT SAY!

And I admire Jagya for the good acts he did but then he should maintain that na? What's this getting intoxicated and all?

Yes staying at house of paraya mard and throwing colour at paraya mard is also not Indian culture. But it is not as WORSE and does not have as much ramifications as a man hugging a woman who is not related to him and taking the name of another woman who is now married to someone else.

Ganga has only come to take shelter at Singhs house and her throwing colour or dancing is not as bad as physical contact that Jagya did. It is all relative. Ganga's behaviour "might" give some skeptics or gossipmongers to look down upon her whereas this action by Jagya is "more sure" to shock others and make people look down upon Ganga or make Ganga herself feel embarrassed.

There is "degree" of every wrong.

Aise toh even putting mehndi or colour on widows is against Indian culture but CM and DS did participate in all this. But it is not as embarassing or having possible negative/insulting ramifications as Jagya's act. I hope I made myself clear. Thanks.

@Skepblun ...Mod would never have stepped in your thread had your words not been abuse You don't think what you said is abuse but others think so it will be good if you present your points in better way Constructive critcizim is never stopped what is stopped is bashing I am not moral polcing please don't report me for that take it as a friendly suggestion

Originally posted by: Yash.Pal

Skepblun, another great post. You are so clear in the issues and I still remain amused as to why women in this thread came armed defending J. Your comment that had it happened to you in a public place, no matter if he was a good guy or bad guy, you would have been shamed. Simple point, so few understood. Instead they all went off topic and brought up the actor and what not etc.

Your posts are always very crystal clear and today was no different. My thoughts were the same as yours.

Bye

you are behaving too wrong you have not right to object anyone for bold part i am seriously amused at your behavior if you find some posts interesting thats your POV who gave you right to object on others like this Going off the topic are you by this kind of replies and who brought actor none only you and TM are Who said here you are bashing actor here ?A very strange post in my view you have posted Complete meaning less

@mahi its pretty strange how some people are posting on us here if we gave some understanding to jagaya that we are women how we can support him Are we bashing Ganga here ? No I don't know about others how they think but before being a woman i am a human being as human being i can give two pieces of understanding to Jagaya because he is not a heartless monster here or a rapist and to top it all i know he is guilty for his mistake and is going to correct it so why i should trash him ? At least for humanity's sake i don't find it right which is above for me than man and woman discrimination

@Mahi

I did not mind mod stepping in here. Some weeks ago a totally harmless thread of mine (with no abuse) was locked just because some thought it was moral policing or something. I do not mind it. Passions are running high nowadays and the place seems to have become over-sensitive due to changes in serial also. I am used to discussing the things in this forum as we used to in previous years wherein we focused on acts and issues than just being fans or haters of characters. So I write frankly.

Whatever I wrote was not abuse in any way but if others felt this way I did edit it and it's no big deal for me. So thanks but I do not need your explanation on it.

Also, I never said Anandi or Ganga should guide him, in fact I argued against this in some of my posts in this and other threads.

I request you to please quit being judgemental on my post and dismiss it as "nothing else but instant reaction in anger". Some words in it might have been a result of instant anger which I duly edited out. But the post as a whole is not like that. I feel equally disgusted when I watch it online or a repeat telecast.

It is a disgusting act even if done unintentionally and we all know how society treats it in real life (even if we choose to ignore it or justify it for the character we favour).

Anyway, better to debate an issue at hand instead of giving judgemental statements on others. Many here also agreed with me and wrote even more vehemently against Jagya's act and so I do not think I need explanations from you or anyone else on this topic as if I made some wrong topic! As I had shared, that my mom said Ganga should have slapped Jagya at once and my dad was laughing at him and saying yeh lo iska kaand! So in real life also, there are many who think like what I and some others wrote and are disgusted at Jagya's act (even if unintentional).

I stand by what I wrote and I need not be apologetic for the topic per se except for a few words (like faltu!) which were thought of as abuse by some Jagya sympathisers here.

A bye from me for now.