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Posted: 12 years ago

#1051

Originally posted by: 5cents

Stuti, thanks for the beautifully worded story depiction till date😃.
Every story has a moral so what is the moral of this story?
Moral up till now is ...it gave Ajee wings and she turned into a fairy and it gave J the fangs and turned him into a blood sucking bad boy of the night a vampire.
I'll have to use a adage..." Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars." There goes our Anandi. She has had a unique learning in the school of suffering. But what went wrong with Jagia? Accepted he was a cute mate as kid to Ajee just made her do his homework. But I guess, this bad study habit and getting homework done by Anandi has stayed with him till date. Slamming and dumping all his home work on her, he happily ran out to play with his mates. And this continued till adulthood 😛 he slammed all his HW (responsibility of house & parents) on her and went out to play with "a" special mate😳.

Snatched childhood is very bad for both. In that young impressionable age kids should be under the guidance of parents. I'm sure had he spent more time with BS he would have been a better Human being. But Alas! He went to the oasis G in the distance but it turned out to be a mirage. So he decided to return to tried, tested & secure oasis A 😉 ...The tired, longing eyes, straining to see in the windblown sands and refracted desert light, longed to see an known oasis when he returned to Jaitsar . But that also turned out to be only a mirage in the present. The disappointment is too devastating for him now. Karma bites... it leaves none!
All the trouble stemmed from home work oppression only. I'm glad Ajee has finally found her prince charming. The premium she has put on commitment is now equally adhered to, valued and respected. Hopefully J will start his journey to forgiveness land. Right now he is just running as he is not able to handle disappointment. Like the sandalwood tree that imparts its fragrance to the axe that cuts it, Anandi has surely passed some goodness to him that's why he presented her the Shiv Parvati murti. 😃

5 cents

Agree on Anandi's portrayal. One character, they are remarkably consistent about, by and large. Disappointment dwells on the other sketch. So many inconsistent turns, it erodes the credibility. I noticed, many are thumping uproariously, 'but he was always so- not only a weakling, a proven evil mindset fit to hatch a Lucifer. This vehement 'sourcing' sometimes flabbergasts me. Was it really so? Time and again I tried to recollect my watch, and time again it comes to same answer. In honest reflections it was never so. And give some credit here that perhaps this was not merely a 'cuteness' blind reflection. For numbers of his impish delinquencies, he was also showed in 'sensitive' outbursts. Yes sensitive! Looks improbable? To cite a few, not only he adored his mother, worshipped his father, he was respectful and fond of Anandi's parents too (does it sound 'inconsistent' with 'bhabhut' etc.?-a pointer).He was getting upset at Dsa's ill treatment to them. He rebelled no of times against Dsa's atrocities. Thoroughly disliked his favourite Dsa's orthodox excesses against widowed Sugna or 'inauspicious' Phoolly, spiritedly countering in his own small, childish ways. If he was prone to bad companies, he was also showed recovering from them or adoring good people like Shyam, Anandi...As for Anandi, I can't even attempt a full picture here, overwhelmingly opposite of what the 'home work' innuendoes are insisting. Friction, annoyance, competition were all there, like in peers. Even unfairly tilted in favour of this 'princely' laadesar, chiefly aggravated by the spoiler Dsa. But so were compassion, camaraderie, empathy and friendship, despite the efforts of that Aggravator. One funny pointer of Cvs future lapses came in the time of his forced second marriage. He was remarkably loath of this new girl G and his predicament then. The original phase has been turned so topsy- turvy over this particular character, it makes one wonder, is this apparition from another tale? When we hear assertions, 'yes he was this only', (and by sharp observers or comprehensive watchers), can't help but wondering 'reverse' subjectivity (a charge, generally reserved for 'cuteness loving', 'message blind' J sympathisers) in the assertions;perhaps they want him evil, from tip to toe. So as, victory of the 'message bearer', long suffering now triumphant other lead shines even brighter, or, a dazzlingly white, new pair, may not suffer even a smudge of debilitating comparison, not even a shadow of doubt with some plausible humaneness in the persona of the discarded. In a way, story's second phase, his spectacular cowardliness, failings satisfy this requirements reassuringly. Plus the 'Message' and its demand for these turns in the story!

Perhaps, we should not babble too much over a story teller's choice of the turns. But at the same time, a reader may have some right to protest when fill duped on original feeds, just for their sake of their turns. Hence this rambling...Frustrations.😆

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BeautyBabe

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1052

Stuti .. very well written agree with you completely .can't help not to bring out my frustration on cvs in this matter without any solid reason they butchered off Jagaya's character too much which doesn't required to be like this after all they were making a show against child marriage not against criminal Bal var .The character was never initially portrayed like this what he has become now .The character is extremely inconsistent and you explained it very well I need not to add much in it. Sometimes it pains to see what he has become because that young boy we never imagined one day he will become like this at least I never but even now if they bring him out of this mess and redeem him that will be great work from them but somehow they still keep adding bloopers in it The step they have taken now is good of making J go out and make a life on his own merits and come back as singhs very own Jagaya the one they can proudly accept yes he is our son . They are trying to amend his previous blunder and making counter to it once he left his house to go study in Mumbai he lost himself there and singhs lost their son now he is again going out of house but this time will make himself someone like this singhs will be having him like the son they always wanted but way chosen again wrong which again made the character is pushed into criticizim through it why he left home he ran like a coward ?the best way would have been exclude this shiv bringing him home, J completing his term in jail and Bhairo goes to take him and he simply adds Bapusaa simple forgiveness cannot wash away my sins and I had not done anything like this you can proudly accept me back I want to do something in my life will make myself worth enough you can hug me proudly see through me the son you always wanted and seeing me like that you can bring me back home till then I won't step in my house because I don't consider myself worth it simple and best way but no .They think they are redeeming the character but each time they put him in criticizim? lets see what they do ?

Edited by kikyo - 12 years ago

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Tuttifrutti

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1053

@Stuti and kikyo

Words seem to lose their meanings when it comes to describe Jag...you really put everything and no body can explain better than you both..I admire you for placing Jag s case in this forum in a very decent way...

It is very painful to see making Jag a pitiable creature who always stays at the cross road and being hit under the belly by all. Justifying the wrongs of Bal vivah, the character of Jag was poisened to an extent that even mercy cannot dilue the sins of a beautiful, lovable young boy who himself has proved to be good childhood friend or be after entering into adulthood...but minus his actions supporting him.

Life cannot move without hurdles and the each steps counts in the life of an individual what the footprints are, Jag or Anandi or CV..all are under the scanner ...compromising the thoughts at the cost of aggrevating the negativity definitely pushes the indvidual what the outcome is...It is not important that what the work is done, but important is how it is done as it shows our approach and actions...and this leads us to what we call"Frustation"

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BeautyBabe

@BeautyBabe

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1054

@tootyfruity ...cvs poor writing skills need to critcized for J they have been extremely wrong .the story they created the character needed not to push so deep down because neither it demands theme neither story the character itself is highly inconsistent you can conncet dots with him the most inconsistent character in the show which is just used according to moods of cvs to create twists as per their concept of overdrama which doesn't happen with rest characters even Gauri's every move has been much consistent than J 's .Here again cvs have made a blooper which needed to not be done in this way shiv bringing J out at least leave some space for this character he is not your cheif villain but by mistake you have made him your male protagonist .(.male lead )the step you have taken now is good but if you could put more sense in it the way i mentioned today he wouldn't be bashed but apprecated yes you are serious of redeeming him but no dont know what cvs want with him

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Vidya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1055

Originally posted by: tootyfruity
@Stuti and kikyo
Words seem to lose their meanings when it comes to describe Jag...you really put everything and no body can explain better than you both..I admire you for placing Jag s case in this forum in a very decent way...

It is very painful to see making Jag a pitiable creature who always stays at the cross road and being hit under the belly by all. Justifying the wrongs of Bal vivah, the character of Jag was poisened to an extent that even mercy cannot dilue the sins of a beautiful, lovable young boy who himself has proved to be good childhood friend or be after entering into adulthood...but minus his actions supporting him.

Life cannot move without hurdles and the each steps counts in the life of an individual what the footprints are, Jag or Anandi or CV..all are under the scanner ...compromising the thoughts at the cost of aggrevating the negativity definitely pushes the indvidual what the outcome is...It is not important that what the work is done, but important is how it is done as it shows our approach and actions...and this leads us to what we call"Frustation"

@bhach - Jagya's as well as gauri's characters were ruined by CVs only to portray 'someone' as mahan.

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Vidya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1056

Originally posted by: tootyfruity
Sunday ho ya Monday ..khane me dange hum (d)ande...😉

🤣🤣

yaar, you literally scared him away. But that was in a way very nice. His POV is completely changed now..😆

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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+ 4

Posted: 12 years ago

#1057

Originally posted by: stuti..

5 cents
Agree on Anandi's portrayal. One character, they are remarkably consistent about, by and large. Disappointment dwells on the other sketch. So many inconsistent turns, it erodes the credibility. I noticed, many are thumping uproariously, 'but he was always so- not only a weakling, a proven evil mindset fit to hatch a Lucifer. This vehement 'sourcing' sometimes flabbergasts me. Was it really so? Time and again I tried to recollect my watch, and time again it comes to same answer. In honest reflections it was never so. And give some credit here that perhaps this was not merely a 'cuteness' blind reflection. For numbers of his impish delinquencies, he was also showed in 'sensitive' outbursts. Yes sensitive! Looks improbable? To cite a few, not only he adored his mother, worshipped his father, he was respectful and fond of Anandi's parents too (does it sound 'inconsistent' with 'bhabhut' etc.?-a pointer).He was getting upset at Dsa's ill treatment to them. He rebelled no of times against Dsa's atrocities. Thoroughly disliked his favourite Dsa's orthodox excesses against widowed Sugna or 'inauspicious' Phoolly, spiritedly countering in his own small, childish ways. If he was prone to bad companies, he was also showed recovering from them or adoring good people like Shyam, Anandi...As for Anandi, I can't even attempt a full picture here, overwhelmingly opposite of what the 'home work' innuendoes are insisting. Friction, annoyance, competition were all there, like in peers. Even unfairly tilted in favour of this 'princely' laadesar, chiefly aggravated by the spoiler Dsa. But so were compassion, camaraderie, empathy and friendship, despite the efforts of that Aggravator. One funny pointer of Cvs future lapses came in the time of his forced second marriage. He was remarkably loath of this new girl G and his predicament then. The original phase has been turned so topsy- turvy over this particular character, it makes one wonder, is this apparition from another tale? When we hear assertions, 'yes he was this only', (and by sharp observers or comprehensive watchers), can't help but wondering 'reverse' subjectivity (a charge, generally reserved for 'cuteness loving', 'message blind' J sympathisers) in the assertions;perhaps they want him evil, from tip to toe. So as, victory of the 'message bearer', long suffering now triumphant other lead shines even brighter, or, a dazzlingly white, new pair, may not suffer even a smudge of debilitating comparison, not even a shadow of doubt with some plausible humaneness in the persona of the discarded. In a way, story's second phase, his spectacular cowardliness, failings satisfy this requirements reassuringly. Plus the 'Message' and its demand for these turns in the story!

Perhaps, we should not babble too much over a story teller's choice of the turns. But at the same time, a reader may have some right to protest when fill duped on original feeds, just for their sake of their turns. Hence this rambling...Frustrations.😆

Stuti..

Sorry to barge in like this.I found your discussion very interesting .I agree with you and disagree with you to some extent.I completely agree with the first part of JA relationship.A relationship like the one they had should not have ended the way it did.

Coming to the characterisation of J - I don't believe that there are any inconsistencies in it.

Jagya has always been a weakling who needed a strong guiding presence/influence in his life right from his childhood days.He always had tendency to fall for all that glitters.He never had the capability to tell which is gold and which is not.He has never been the one to make decisions on his based on his own thinking he always made decisions based on what other people's opinion.After Anandi entered his life he depended on her wisdom to make his decisions.And his dependency on her reached to a level that he became dysfunctional without her.

Even in his childhood when Anandi has been sent away by DS he fell into bad company and his behaviour deteriorated to such an extent that he fudged his report card which led into his running away to Mumbai and the famous shoot out out where Anandi ended up getting hit by the bullet.

That jolt kept him on the straight and narrow path till they were eighteen years.

Second seperation from Anandi happened when he left for Mumbai to do medicine.He saw lot of glittering objects and one of them had been Gauri.His first impression of Gauri - she seemed exactly like Anandi.With nobody to tell him what is wrong with his thinking he went wrong and this time the mistake is much bigger with much bigger consequences.

By the time he realised his mistake it had been too late.

And he wanted the guiding influence back in his life so that he can lead a better life.He did everything that could think of to get the guiding influence back in his life.He begged blackmailed plotted lied cheated and what not to get her back.That was very much within his character.Because along with being Anandi's Jagya he was Dadisa's spoiled ladesar too who was used to having things his way.

Even now when he realised the consequences of his mistakes he has not been able to face the pain those consequences brought.Because DS's ladesar has been brought up that way.All his pains have been soothed by DS.But DS is only human she cannot make his pains disappear all the times.The inability to bear the pain has led him to disappear this time.

Having said that I agree CVs have messed up.But the messing up happened with the tracks that involved him and not with the character.

Jagya was never meant to grow up to be a tree.His character is that of clinging vine which thrives only with a proper support and bears fruits and flowers becomes productive only when it is given the support that it requires.Otherwise it will wither away.

I know there are others who believe that he is non productive and will never bear fruits or that the he is full of poison and I disagree with them too.

His redemption is all about either him finding the right support so that he can become that vine which bears fruits and flowers or someone helps him find the support that he needs so that he can stop withering away and become productive in life just like he is meant to be.

Edited by aparnauma - 12 years ago

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Vidya

@Shinya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#1058

Originally posted by: tootyfruity
Where is Jagya actually gone...i think he may have gone to Kesar bagh to prepare and decorate the haveli and SRR for Ansh...😉

Even I think that he is gone to kesarbhag to decorate the bed with flowers and to light tea-light candles for what is going to end up most probably as a 'suhag-less' night.

😉😉