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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think this thread should be deleted because I don't think the tm has the right information, and will create unnecessary animosity.👍🏼
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Posted: 13 years ago
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That's right. Suck up to political correctness and delete valid history. 🤣
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

I think this thread should be deleted because I don't think the tm has the right information, and will create unnecessary animosity.
I am a historian and have far better information on this. I totally reject your ideas of muslim invasions being responsible for it. Invasions and far more destructive ones have occured world over, but they never led to child marriages. (for example Mongol invasion of west Asia). In fact invasions leading to changes in the society? When? where? Warfare is something common to world societies.The origin of such ideas have to be traced in Indian society itself. In fact many of the dharmasutras (600 bce to 300 bce, that is just after vedc age, age of Buddha ) proclaim that the girl should be married of before she attains puberty. In fact Baudhayana dharmasutra proclaims that a father should marry off his daughter to a man devoid of good qualities than just keep her at home after she attains puberty!I cannot give a complete explaination for this. It is still a matter of lot debate and research! And i will have to go in the topics of caste, woman subjugation, etc. These are very big topics and can't be detailed here. But I can consider the caste sysytem, the urge to maintain it to be more responsible for it, than muslim invasions. Think of love marriages that are occuring today and are weaking caste.
Last of all even if I take muslim invasions to be responsible, how far can we wash off blame from ourselves. It was we who adopted this system right? Then. It is almost like Gauri never taking blames for her action and putting it on Anandi! Only we are responsible for what we do! Yes we do have some uncomfortable deatils in our history, but running away, denying them won't erase it. The best we can do is accept them. The germans have a blot of Hitler and holocaust, do they run away! the best way is look forward and leave history to historians. Targetting history or historians is never going to erase the past, the best we can do is become better people and humans than carry past around like a blot.



AGREE with you
I m Muslin and an Arab Islam is a religion of mercy
Do not put any fault on the Muslims in every society and religion there are good and evil
The mercy of the invading Muslims with other people because their goal was to spread Islam, not looting
The Prophet Muhammad advice were too clear for them
Not to kill innocent
Not to cut trees
Not for burning
Not to kill the monks
The safety for those who surrendered

Edited by Mariam_Sultan - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Mariam_Sultan

I think this thread should be deleted because I don't think the tm has the right information, and will create unnecessary animosity.👍🏼


I reported it, and I'm sure others have as well 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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REPORTED 👍🏼

I'm proud to be a Muslim ❤️
I'm proud to be a Muslim
I do not know about the history of India
But what I know is that Islam has spread and many choose the Islam as a religion to them
Why do you think we are the only the terrorists in the world
We are peaceful people
We Love peace
Enough distortion for Muslims and for their religion

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Why did this get reported? Did anybody abuse Islam or Muslims?
I didn't see it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sayali_babes

Why did this get reported? Did anybody abuse Islam or Muslims?

I didn't see it.


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There's a lot that was said on this thread that could be offensive to Muslims and Hindus. It was a horrible idea to create this thread in the first place since it has little to do with BV.


But of course, the mod will make the decision as to whether this gets closed or not.
Edited by megustajalebi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sayali_babes

God! I'm not in the business of educating, but guess I'm helpless at the moment.

I'm narrating the social psychology that surfaced following Muslim rule, logical or illogical as they were. They did, and it was a fact.

I can understand your dilemma because you are not professsional scholar and at most have studied history at school. I am a professional scholar who has spend many years of her life discussing and debating this subject. My training is not just covering Indian history but world history. Here I share with you some facts:
Historiography: History depends a lot on the scholars and their understanding of the human society. Indians never recorded their history, it was british who started the subject of recording it. ( If any professional scholar is reading this I am aware of complexities of the this issue but in order to make it simple I am starting with British). When they wrote the history they included a lot of their biases, that Indian culture is inferior ,we have to reform it and also took many liberties with interpreting religious equations in india. It was they who divided Indian history into hindu period, muslim period and british Strangely why didn't they label British period as Christian. In their writing they took many of the texts written by persians at face value without analysing the biases in them and wrongly wrote that muslim period was that of invasion and persecution, which is a blantant lie.
For example the when I look at sankrit sources of the period, I don't see the use of the word muslim anywhere. The new comers are identified by their ehtnic identies- turk, afghani,irani. You can see the work of B D chattopdahayaya " the other in the sanskrit sources". In fact a new debate has broke out in the acdemic world to what extent is religion important in medieval india? You can see for yourself Kabir a muslim singing praises of lord ram, rahim singing praises of Krishna, till last century lower catse in india used to celebrate muslim festivals, why Shirdi Sai Baba used to teach from a mosque 😲, even today there are some communities in india that follow both hindu and muslim traditions, are you aware!
to be cont...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: megustajalebi


Here's the note toward the bottom of the page:

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There's a lot that was said on this thread that could be offensive to Muslims and Hindus. It was a horrible idea to create this thread in the first place since it has little to do with BV.


But of course, the mod will make the decision as to whether this gets closed or not.


😕😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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History is in favour of those who write it. Example below. Both talk about same periods of India and same religious text with so many differences that it's hard to believe they're talking about the same books and people.


I actually agree with you that Muslim rule did have an effect on how Hindus perceived their religion. How can it not? But histories written by both are vastly different and calling it irrefutable fact is not the way to gain knowledge.

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