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Posted: 13 years ago

#41

Whatever people say about Indian children, Indian parents...I disagree that in other cultures where kids get the freedom to choose their place of work and life-partner, all the parents are not "caring" enough!!...

By now I have seen just to many American friends here (not Indian Americans, but white Americans, hispanic americans, and African Americans)...whose parents have loved them, cherished them and supported them as much as Indian parents have. Sometimes both parents, sometimes single parent does everything in his power to give everything to his child. Yes there are bad parents...but in India too there are bad parents who abuse the child. Some children become independent early, while some go to college. I have already seen some of my very very close american friends whose education is being paid by their dads...and some friends who are earning on their own to pay for college.

Paying for a child's college fee is not a reason to not let him have his life and his choice to make the most personal decisions of his life.

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Sania

@SRKLuvr

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Posted: 13 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: hima_123
Whatever people say about Indian children, Indian parents...I disagree that in other cultures where kids get the freedom to choose their place of work and life-partner, all the parents are not "caring" enough!!...

By now I have seen just to many American friends here (not Indian Americans, but white Americans, hispanic americans, and African Americans)...whose parents have loved them, cherished them and supported them as much as Indian parents have. Sometimes both parents, sometimes single parent does everything in his power to give everything to his child. Yes there are bad parents...but in India too there are bad parents too who are abuse the child. Some children become independent early, while some go to college. I have already seen some of my very very close american friends whose education is being paid by their dads...and some friends who are earning on their own to pay for college.

Paying for a child's college fee is not a reason to not let him have his life and his choice to make the most personal decisions of his life.

Yes here same😊 Culture or country of origin certainly does not define how much parents love their children or support them. Although agreed that many Western parents have different ideas on how to raise their children. They prefer their children do work at 15 so that they learn the value of money. They prefer the children leaving the house or paying rent at 18 also so children learn responsibility.

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hooked

@hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Yes here same😊 Culture or country of origin certainly does not define how much parents love their children or support them. Although agreed that many Western parents have different ideas on how to raise their children. They prefer their children do work at 15 so that they learn the value of money. They prefer the children leaving the house or paying rent at 18 also so children learn responsibility.

You guys are amazing !

Bhairon should be as modern as the american parents and allow his son all kinds of freedom like who he choses ato marry and when and where he shud stay etc.

But you seem to forget all such "MUST DO's" for Jagya every single time ??

Forget America/India for a sec - why should Jagya not have to do anything that a son does ? Does he respect hi sparents ? Is he honest with them ? When Bhairon had that showdown with J and J said he loves Gauri - try and remember the entire sequence - Bhairon kept on trying to call Jagya since the morning but J did not notice his missed calls. Bhairon went to his residence and found that he was already living as a married man with a girl in a rented room for some months !!!

Jagya admitted the facts only after Bhairon confronted him with the truth !!

Bhairon became hopping mad coz he found out J had been lying to him about

- living at the hostel

- being too busy with studies to bring Anandi here

- not staying in touch

for a LONG long number of years.

Jagya has not been a good son even by indian standards which make the parent do all the work. Atleast Bhairon has been an excellent parent by inidan standards while he does in fact live in INdia.

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Sania

@SRKLuvr

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Posted: 13 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: hooked

You guys are amazing !
Bhairon should be as modern as the american parents and allow his son all kinds of freedom like who he choses ato marry and when and where he shud stay etc.

But you seem to forget all such "MUST DO's" for Jagya every single time ??

Forget America/India for a sec - why should Jagya not have to do anything that a son does ? Does he respect hi sparents ? Is he honest with them ? When Bhairon had that showdown with J and J said he loves Gauri - try and remember the entire sequence - Bhairon kept on trying to call Jagya since the morning but J did not notice his missed calls. Bhairon went to his residence and found that he was already living as a married man with a girl in a rented room for some months !!!

Jagya admitted the facts only after Bhairon confronted him with the truth !!

Bhairon became hopping mad coz he found out J had been lying to him about
- living at the hostel
- being too busy with studies to bring Anandi here
- not staying in touch
for a LONG long number of years.

Jagya has not been a good son even by indian standards which make the parent do all the work. Atleast Bhairon has been an excellent parent by inidan standards while he does in fact live in INdia.

Sorry Hooked I had not fully read the context of this argument I merely saw Hima's words in the above post and wanted to agree with them. Not sure what happened before that😆

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Manasi

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Posted: 13 years ago

#45

According to me, had Jagya presented his case in a proper fashion, things would have been better. The reactions of the Singhs is not only a afunction of the break in J-A marriage. It is mainly due to the way Jagya has treated them all. He lied to them for more than 5 years, his so called wife comes home unintied every now & then & insults/humilates them & Jag keeps looking on, Gauri blames/insults/tortures/disrespects the whole family (including Badi Masi) and the DIL of their choice...how can they expect nicety from the family

If Jagya has a right to move away from an unhappy marriage, it is also his duty to at least have the courtesy to tell his wife that he wants a divorce. Maybe he was afraid of the family's reaction, but he knew Anandi will never deny him anything...why didn't he approach her directly. How can you humilteate your wife by staying with another girl & then blame the customs for spoiler their lives?

Your rights cannot be at the cost of someone else's rights & happiness. Rights & responsibility are two sides of teh same coin. You cannot have all rights but ignore all responsibilities.

If Jagya has a rights on the family property, then what abt his responsibility towards them???

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hooked

@hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Sorry Hooked I had not fully read the context of this argument I merely saw Hima's words in the above post and wanted to agree with them. Not sure what happened before that😆

Am glad you said that ! I guess now I can try to understand why you think JG are just innocent kids in love who just want to live their own lives. You probably have not watched the whole basis of this fraud and hence can't understand our rage with the lies and deceit of Jagya that has been going on for the longest while.

Maybe - next time, you can ask what happened b4 deciding to support J and painting Bhairon as the evil guy.

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Tuttifrutti

@Tuttifrutti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#47

Questions?

1)Who is responsible for raising the kids?

2) Who is responsnsible to save the marriage if one partner is going off the track?

Answers:

1)Parents

2)Other partner

Singhs could not teach values and ethics ...that s why he never understood the importance of human relations and understanding them. Singhs could not teach Jagya that what the truth means in life..

Anandi biggest fault..spent more time to take care of Singhs rather than partnering Jagya to fulfil his desires and never bothered to understand that the life of a married couple is built on staying more close to each other rather than staying away from each others...

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hooked

@hooked

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: bhach
Questions?

1)Who is responsible for raising the kids?

2) Who is responsnsible to save the marriage if one partner is going off the track?

Answers:

1)Parents

2)Other partner

Singhs could not teach values and ethics ...that s why he never understood the importance of human relations and understanding them. Singhs could not teach Jagya that what the truth means in life..

Anandi biggest fault..spent more time to take care of Singhs rather than partnering Jagya to fulfil his desires and never bothered to understand that the life of a married couple is built on staying more close to each other rather than staying away from each others...

Beautiful ! So Jagya is a bechara who does not do any wrongs. His parents don't teach him value of truth and his wife does not stop him from straying. Is that what you're saying ?

And since how long have you been watching the serial ? Or are you too one of the recent watchers and have no clue about his childhood ?

Do you recall what happened when he scored less marks than Anandi and fudged his marksheet ?

Do you recall when he was jailed coz he was cutting classes and playing cards with crooks ?

Do you recall when he stole money from Dadisa's room ?

And what happened in each of these cases ? If you have no memory - then you cannot say Bhairon did not teach him the value of truth.

As regards Anandi not saving her marriage. She had to stay in the village coz the first 5 yrs J was in a boys hostel in the city. Only when he went back to do MS, cud she have gone with him. His parents and A's parents and Anandi herself wanted to go, but J had by then decided he wanted to spend time with Gauri. Anandi had no clue this is why he doesn't want to take her. How can she be blamed for a cheating husband ?

Edited by hooked - 13 years ago

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Manasi

@Manasi_16

Stunner

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Posted: 13 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: bhach

Singhs could not teach values and ethics ...that s why he never understood the importance of human relations and understanding them. Singhs could not teach Jagya that what the truth means in life..

Anandi biggest fault..spent more time to take care of Singhs rather than partnering Jagya to fulfil his desires and never bothered to understand that the life of a married couple is built on staying more close to each other rather than staying away from each others...

@bold You cannot keep blaming parents for how the children turn out. Yes, in childhood parents do influence their children greatly, but once they grow up, they are themselves responsible for their actions...you cannot keep going back to childhood experiences all your life.

By your logic, orphans or street children will have no values, coz their parents are not around to teach them values

And regarding ur point abt Anandi's fault in the whole thing...I'd rather not comment

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Sania

@SRKLuvr

Stunner

Posted: 13 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: hooked

Am glad you said that ! I guess now I can try to understand why you think JG are just innocent kids in love who just want to live their own lives. You probably have not watched the whole basis of this fraud and hence can't understand our rage with the lies and deceit of Jagya that has been going on for the longest while.

Maybe - next time, you can ask what happened b4 deciding to support J and painting Bhairon as the evil guy.

As for the serial Ive seen the whole thing😆 This was the sily issue of pressing the button for the last page to see if there was a new post,seeing Hima's post and immediately answering it without reading what had happened before that😆 Supporting Jogia? Oh that in itself is a crime😆 As for Bhairav, I deem he's not evil. Just a little weird😆

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