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Posted: 14 years ago
#21
Vrish i agree with you. I am loving the track of A teaching Adults really. But everyyy one is upset abotu why she is not doing anything more.

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Kiyun


Kiyun


Kiyun


So I opened this topic as in to atleast tell peeps to chill : )


Loved the promo.

I do not think Gauri's license will be cancelled as that person will be an influential one and she will step in. And this saving Gauri's behind and Gauri will get all impressed with her power and HATE on Jagya for not supporting her. So thats coo : )

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

Vrish i agree with you. I am loving the track of A teaching Adults really. But everyyy one is upset abotu why she is not doing anything more.

the all famous

Kiyun


Kiyun


Kiyun


So I opened this topic as in to atleast tell peeps to chill : )


Loved the promo.

I do not think Gauri's license will be cancelled as that person will be an influential one and she will step in. And this saving Gauri's behind and Gauri will get all impressed with her power and HATE on Jagya for not supporting her. So thats coo : )

Suchi, its great anandi is teaching others ,iam happy that she is one person who cares enough to spend her time teaching villagers but that doesn't mean she shouldn't focus on her own higher education too..
And why shouldnt we question Kyun, Kyun Kyun?...🤔.Just look how much good work she is doing with just her 12th class education , so imagine when more educated anandi can bring much more changes to villages if she acheives a position of authority and power...
Now she is educating her village but if she attains a position of power and authority she could do much much more for many more people .More education will certainly be more helpful in attaining her goals...
When i question 'why she isnt studying more' its not about belittling her literacy classes but hoping she becomes more ambitious about her own educational qualifications that will surely help her in future😍 ...She is shown as brilliant in studies so why shouldnt she also strive to acheive her own full potential..
Its just about aiming big, as they say ---
"Khudi ko kar buland itna,Ke har takdeer se pehla,
Khuda bande se khud pooche,Batha, teri raza kya hai..."--
😉Also let her make herself SOOO qualified that someday jagya rues the day he dared call her a 'ganwaar'...'

yep,i too think that mentor could step in to save gauri 🤔,must be very influential lady...

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Posted: 14 years ago
#23
There is supposed to be JaAn reunion? Why?? What are the CVs trying to show here? A man can cheat, marry second time but his Beendhni should not look at another man and keep waiting for him?
You know this serial should turn totally radical and Anandi should fall for another guy hook, line and sinker. G should leave J and J would want to return to haveli. Anandi should refuse to have J back and Bhairon and Sumi should support her and get her married to her love. (I am dreaming too much. This will never happen in BV. They should totally stop pretending that they are showing a social-issue based show. )
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Posted: 14 years ago
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The teaching thing is shown in a comical way and it is also haphazard. I mean till a day before yesterday, they were barely learning alphabet (that too, Hindi alphabet!!) and very basic math. They did not know even basics of financial transactions. And now, all of a sudden, you move on to teaching computers?! It was also funny - she drew the pic of a desktop PC but showed them a laptop! Yeh kya baat hui?

It is not realistic also. Putting it all in the haveli, with the most lavish midday meal any school/college/university of the world ever arranged for its students, under the protection of Singhs and surveillance by DS - what is this? It does not make it look inspirational or show that she is facing a challenge. It (haveli) takes away the seriousness of her purpose.

Also, she should not give out gyan to others (like she was doing to Asha) as if she's some expert counsellor or Guru mata. It would have looked better if she had told Asha that she also faced a lot of pain, and she knew how difficult it was to get out of this vicious circle...coming to school won't heal everything, but at least it would be a good attempt to give a positive direction to oneself and get away from the path of self destruction. [The language she used was as if a worldly wise expert was explaining someone]

She could also have gently asked her, that if she really thought she had understood the meaning of life or purpose of life, then is she really happy with Guru ji and his teachings? Tumhein sach mein santosh mil gaya hai bhakti mein? [Because the ones who are into spirituality - really into it, are happy and feel enlightened. They're not zinda laash like Asha]

Today I saw a promo in which Anandi is doing something on the computer (again a once in a blue moon scene of her sitting at the comp or reading a book) and Sumitra and Bhairon peep and observe her - Sumitra rani says Anandi is no less than any city girl! Iski mehnat ko dekho, kisi tarah se kisi shehri ladki se kam hai kya?😲

I agree she has more potential than even a city girl. More wit and more common sense. But how many times is she shown ultilising that potential or exercising that wit? Lone scenes of witty ways of teaching in a single episode or showing her with a book or computer once in a month or two - is that all? Such 2-3 scenes in a month prove that she is no less, or perhaps greater than any city girl?

It's not even like she did something really great so as to get honorary degrees despite not being formally educated beyond class 12. She's no inventor, no author or scholar - having written some thesis or treatise. She has not yet even done anything substantial in the village to call her super-exceptional even as a social worker. [Substantial means - showing some lasting real-life impact]

Plus she is not doing anything on her own which is main problem. Ever-reliant on Singh's name and now even the protection of their home.

At least even DS was a self made woman! She attained that position of power and wealth all by herself and brought up her sons on her own.

I felt like sniggering when Shyam said dialogues about ''kanton aur patharon pe chalna''/aasan/mushkil raasta! Anandi is not exactly walking on thorns. Singhs spread roses for her, cuddle her in their arms and would convert haveli to anything just for her. Kante toh rehne hi nahin diye Singhs ne!

Frankly speaking, it is not even realistic, because in real life even women in urban areas, face worse conditions than her if they are left by husband or if they become widowed. Actual troubles and challenges of anything - be it getting out of depression/self destruction, or challenges in social work, or gross reality of child marriage - nothing has been shown in this serial.

Not just Anandi! Even in Gauri's case - they just ''told'' the audience that she went through ignominy as a kid. They never showed actually what she and girls like her are made to go through.

This is just sugar-coating and kid-glove handling of situations. Is this what you call education? Or is this what you call social work? Or is there only 1-2 problem(s) in child marriage?

Currently she is happy with the few adults in the school and has stopped working in trying to get more students in her school. Are those 10 men-women the only population of the village? No more men or women are there in the village?

Adult education track was best shown in NAIDL. The challenges which Siya and some of her students faced - that is reality. Yeh koi maske ki tarah hone wala kaam nahin hota.

It would be appreciable if they also sometimes show students going back home and trying to reflect on their learning or feeling happy or accomplished to have learnt something. Otherwise it's just like a party in the haveli - like some kitty party!

Arrey even in the haveli she had to face no challenge at all - at least there should have been challenge of trying to convince them to teach people! BS did everything for her. Bapu zindabad!

Sorry again for speaking and spoiling the fun of other members and being so callous and insensitive to the lead character. 🤔As viewers we should also give toffees, bouquets, brownie points to Anandi and sing her praises even if she takes a baby step.👏

Her current style of social work - is like a baby trying to stand up in his own paalna or cot. She held great promise when she was in her school and on roads, about the village on her own. I had lot of hopes from her that this small school will one day become a big one all due to her efforts. They ruined it all by shifting to haveli - plus making bigger joke by serving lavish meals as if it's a party!

Khao aur khilao, saath ki saath kuch padh jao!

But yeah, we've no right to speak. It would be unfair to darling Anandi.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#25

annika i love ur posts, very logical , u keep writing like this, u have all the right to say anything

u r just commenting on some fictional characters, if someone take offense for a character than u cant help it and its none of ur business
if anyone has a problem then ignore or report, simple😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Annika, I do agree with you.

I guess I just have given up and stopped getting worked up. So I am like what ever.

hogaya tho hogaya nahi hua tho what ever.

Anandi is always a gem so I will always love her.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Anmol

Thanks a lot. I think it would be better to ignore or not take things seriously

@Suchi

I love her too and only say stuff because I wish to have more reasons to love her.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: annika20


Please do not misunderstand me. I am not upholding superiority of educated girls. Both rural background girls as well as educated or modern girls have their own strengths.

But I am really against character assassination and stereotypical representation of educated girls and even city people in general.

I would have equally protested if they had tried to show that village girls are silly or dumb. I hated Jagya when he used to call Anandi gawar!

I am against bias and stereotyping of ANY kind.

I am not just talking about Gauri's marriage to Jagya. But also her impatient behaviour or shouting at villagers or things like throwing away money given as gift/shagun by DS etc. They stripped her of her sensibility to make Anandi look mahaan and Gauri look like a vamp or really unfit for marriage.

What experience are you talking about? From your post, sorry to say, it seems that child marriage is after all okay, since it gives experience and wisdom over time, from a young age and makes a girl befitting marriage material.

There are majority of women in the world today, who have no experience of marriage. So does it mean they will make bad wives or useless DILs?

I only say repeatedly that they ought to show real issues related to child marriage, actual harsh realities and why people call child marriage a social evil and why the judiciary made it illegal! If it were so simple then it would not be made illegal!

I also protest why they show it only from a woman's POV and why they have ruined character of Jagya. Even boys suffer due to this child marriage thing. Guys as young as 14-15 have a wife and 2-3 kids to look after! Even if they don't have kids, they suffer due to burden of expectations - career, taking care of family, handling marriage etc. from a very young age. Their choices and freedom also gets limited.

But yes boys suffer less than girls. Still they do suffer. And that suffering or problem has not been shown in BV. They've just shown Jagya as another wayward, spoilt boy and made it all look like routine adultery or straying.

I am not saying Anandi is less suitable for Jagya or Gauri is more suited. I only say why make Gauri lose her sense? Especially when she is from the same rural background and has also suffered due to child marriage as a kid? How could she allow her life to be ruined like this? How could she not think about her self respect and buy J's lies and live as a keep? How come she did not consult her family and especially her mentor Bade Papa? She was sensible and nice earlier. Why make her look insane in haveli and village and a total vamp in front of Anandi?

She was not bad or haughty to begin with.

What each and every corner of life has Anandi seen? She has only lived in village. Rarely stepped out of house or gone out of DS', Bhairon's or her parents' gaze. She never even attended school after the age of 9 and whatever education she got, she got it privately and was only allowed to sit for exams. She has had zilch experience of outside world.

She had dreamy notions about life till this reality hit her hard, shook her and made her and the whole Singh family see reality of the world.

Gauri's experiences are not just limited to education, but she also knows harsh realities of life. She was almost sold as a kid to DS, her marriage broke, she was made to suffer all due to DS and her own parents' greed. She's seen life in Mumbai too, living alone, meeting deserted women like Kunda Tai etc.

Experience is not just limited to home, it also includes the world and includes experience of harsh realities too.

And what LACK of experience are you talking about? You mean she needed prior experience of married life for this? Sir/madam, she has not got betrayed now. She got betrayed in the name of marriage as a kid only. So she knows how it feels when you're rejected or deceived!

It is pitiable that they did not show her use that experience in the sense that she should not let herself be ruined by the same man and same family again.

The way you're talking about Gauri, sorry to say, it feels you think her parents did the wrong thing by giving her freedom and letting her study further or live on her own.

It is beliefs like these - that educated or modern girls are not marriage material, or child marriage gives experience of marriage and trains them to be good wives from a young age, too much freedom need not be given to girls, training a girl to be a beendni is more important than helping her stand on her feet - which this show is propagating now. The nature of ''pro-Anandi'' and basically ''pro-JaAn'' arguments from your side show exactly what I have always tried to say in all my posts in this forum.

They have handled child marriage with kid gloves, never shown its actual gross realities and shown that the only issue they face is underage pregnancy. Rest all, is okay, rather good for family!

They must show at least one child marriage fail in the serial if they are really against child marriage or believe it is a social evil.

How can they show happy child marriages? So it means judiciary made it illegal aise hi? They made laws so that it gets more work for lawyers and gives them rozi roti? For no solid reason? NGOs are still fighting it? Why? Just for timepass or publicity?

Why do you say two like minds cannot stay together? Again distorted view. There are many couples in real life, who are career-oriented, doctors, lawyers, even film stars, tutors, scientists etc. There is Akshay Kumar who has an equally successful interior designer wife Twinkle Khanna. There is example of Marie and Pierre Curie. There are so many examples of husband-wife working for rival companies and still living happily with each other! Even in history we have examples of Jahangir living very happily with wife Noorjahan and letting her take over and see matters of state and politics. How come a fiercely independent and revolutionary minded Manu (Rani Laxmibai), made a wonderful wife to King Gangadhar and an inspirational queen for Jhansi?

What about Narayana and Sudha Murthy? Isn't Sudha Murthy also equally qualified, an academic, a writer, social worker, educator and speaker? I am sure she also has a mind of her own. Or look at equally ambitious, opinionated and individualistic Aamir Khan & Kiran Rao? Aren't they happy as life partners and even as partners in profession?

Many couples, ordinary and famous, in history and real life, in India and other countries are there who are ambitious, career-minded and have a mind of their own. It's not like all their marriages break or are full of khit-pit!

You mean men should always marry a woman who is not ambitious or less educated or is easily subjugated? And women should always marry an easy-going, easy to control man if they are ambitious themselves. [As the aspiring doctor Sarika married a sweetoo and less educated boy in Beendh Banoonga Ghodi Chadhunga show!]

Is Gauri's self respect actually ego? See how she handles uncooperative colleagues, unruly principals or landlords. She is so calm with them, even bends, asks for forgiveness and offers to make extra efforts and commits never to give them a chance to complain again.

She is not a b*tch per se! That is why I was pained to see why they made her behave like crazy when it came to Anandi.

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Don't think I am against Anandi or glorifying or justifying Gauri. I see what Gauri did was wrong. But I only protest why they made her do so, considering her original nature and background.

I am not saying only educated people are great. But don't show them so bad or callous also! It's outright stereotypical.
Please do not take my post personally. But your post exactly showed what stereotypes this show is reinforcing. Sorry if I sound offending.😔

Hello Annika, I think you got me wrong... I am not talking about marriage experience... I wanted to say that Anandi faced so many problems because of early marriage... that made her strong... The kind of problems you face will make you strong and gives capability to solve the upcoming problems. I mean I don't want u to face problems.. I am explaining it in general... Many lawyers, doctor, teachers live together... I didn't say that people of same profession can't stay together for a long time... I said that people of same nature can't stay long... If you are egoistic and me also... Can we be friends for a long time? If you are dominating and I am also... Can we be able to maintain long lasting relation? In a relation if one person is egoistic / dominating / head strong / self centered... other person should come down... In case of G & J both will stop their discussions only after shouting at each other... Sometimes it may lead to big problems...
I am sorry that you felt bad because of my post... That is just my opinion... fingers of our own hand are not of same size... In the same way people have different opinions... I try to respect those opinions alot... In the same way I posted my opinion. If you feel bad... I am sorry once again...

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