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Posted: 14 years ago
#41
I understand...I just dont agree with few things.

I am again don't think western society is full of kids unattended to and who are not taken care of. What I have seen the biggest 2 reasons of are--
1) poverty
2) bad upbringing/unhappy family atmosphere

Also, how can society decide for an individual--what fights are "significant", and which are not. Society doesn't have to deal day in and day out with the couple. Its the man and woman have to deal with each other. Each person is different and his expectations are different. If people are not happy while living with each other----how will they raise happy children and happy families?

How can we as a society impose happiness on anyone?...We can impose marriages on each other? but we can't impse them to be happy with each other?

Also whats wrong about the people in the west...who have married 3/4 times--or have not married at all, yet had partners?...How come we have concluded for them--that like animals, these people have contributed nothing positive to society??...And what makes us think, these people are unable to take care of their old age?...or their children will not be smart, happy and successful people...the President of United States-Barck Obama, did not have any connection with his father..and his mother divorced twice...but since Obama was raised well, in a happy atmosphere---he was capable of going to Harvard, successfully marrying...and generating a happy family.

I personally don't feel that single parents can't bring up their children well...if they have the financial resources to, and are emotionally healthy. I think its more important for the society to ensure that people are happy--married or not.


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Posted: 14 years ago
#42
I think sreevask's pov was something else.. not what you are stating Hima dear.

I think he/she ( sorry don't know) is talking about a person's obligation towards marriage and how he/she should be after marriage and not actually talking about unmarried people.

Perhaps there is a slight hint about, its better to get married and get settled with the rolling stone comparison. Though to a person who is loving and kind, mature. Also if one is in a marriage that has problems then they should work on it first. Abandonment should not be an option.


And the animal comparison was for those people who cheat and change partners at the slightest whim of desire-change.



This is what I understood from Sreevask's statements

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Posted: 14 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: hima_123

I understand...I just dont agree with few things.

I am again don't think western society is full of kids unattended to and who are not taken care of. What I have seen the biggest 2 reasons of are--
1) poverty
2) bad upbringing/unhappy family atmosphere

Also, how can society decide for an individual--what fights are "significant", and which are not. Society doesn't have to deal day in and day out with the couple. Its the man and woman have to deal with each other. Each person is different and his expectations are different. If people are not happy while living with each other----how will they raise happy children and happy families?

How can we as a society impose happiness on anyone?...We can impose marriages on each other? but we can't impse them to be happy with each other?

Also whats wrong about the people in the west...who have married 3/4 times--or have not married at all, yet had partners?...How come we have concluded for them--that like animals, these people have contributed nothing positive to society??...And what makes us think, these people are unable to take care of their old age?...or their children will not be smart, happy and successful people...the President of United States-Barck Obama, did not have any connection with his father..and his mother divorced twice...but since Obama was raised well, in a happy atmosphere---he was capable of going to Harvard, successfully marrying...and generating a happy family.

I personally don't feel that single parents can't bring up their children well...if they have the financial resources to, and are emotionally healthy. I think its more important for the society to ensure that people are happy--married or not.




Its a perspective on things. Its not that single parents cannot look after children very well. I am sure they are able to raise their children very well and give them education and all the proper necessities of life.

But I think the thin line is , are they single parents having children from a wedlok or other wise

+ the change of partners, so here , if they married and divorced due to what ever reason, thats understandable , but having partners without no personal and social commitment , in a marital form , is unacceptable by me.

I say that comes under fornication (if having partners without marriage, boyfriend grilfriend with physical intimacy, ) and adultery if having other partners even after being in a marital bondage.


And yes, marriage is one thing that sets us aside as human beings. Our social responsibility is what sets us apart and above from all the other creations .

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Posted: 14 years ago
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suchi...I agree...with it-that if one gets married...they owe some responsibility to the other partner...and a lot of responsibilty--in terms of honesty, commitment, investment of efforts and emotions.

But if someone doesn't feel that commitment---as a society we should make the process smoother for people to come out of such marriages...instead of asking that person to commit without his will--and we can't control people's will.

If marry someone--marry with commitment...or just understand that the marriage was never meant to be. Society needs to help people come out of wrong marriages...instead of emphasizing on strengthening all marriages, whether they are good or bad.

And I am sure there are people who don't want to get married---men and women...let them live with each other with or without commitments...they can find their own partners who share the same views...and probably they can be happy on their own chosen path...they needn't get into marriages at all...However, if such people decide to have children--then society needs to take a commitment from them to raise the kids in a way that kids are not deprived of happiness, finances and protection----for that the society can have some rules...like parents financial responsibility, ensuring quality education...and both parents spending at least some quality time with their kids...while one of the responsible parents takes the responsibility of child raising. there can be child raising rules without imposing men and women to sleep and live with each other without their will..

That was just what I felt...and just my POV...sorry if I appeared disagreeable to anything.😳 ...or misinterpreted anything...😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
#45
i understand hima. I see you pov its the common and norm here in US u know : ) but yeah I feel its best to get into a relationship , physcial specially only after marriage!


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

i understand hima. I see you pov its the common and norm here in US u know : ) but yeah I feel its best to get into a relationship , physcial specially only after marriage!





yeah I can understand Suchi..😳...actually I was born and raised with this belief too...

My idea to post all this here is just to spread an idea to make people tolerant towards different kinds of beliefs and cultures ...😊...differences are ok..and good...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

I think sreevask's pov was something else.. not what you are stating Hima dear.


I think he/she ( sorry don't know) is talking about a person's obligation towards marriage and how he/she should be after marriage and not actually talking about unmarried people.

Perhaps there is a slight hint about, its better to get married and get settled with the rolling stone comparison. Though to a person who is loving and kind, mature. Also if one is in a marriage that has problems then they should work on it first. Abandonment should not be an option.


And the animal comparison was for those people who cheat and change partners at the slightest whim of desire-change.



This is what I understood from Sreevask's statements



Thanks Suchi, for easing my pain @ delivering the acceptable POV...Got me there @ every word!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: hima_123



yeah I can understand Suchi..😳...actually I was born and raised with this belief too...

My idea to post all this here is just to spread an idea to make people tolerant towards different kinds of beliefs and cultures ...😊...differences are ok..and good...


Differences are something thats bound to happen and do exist. And to live with difference in peaceful manner and at the same time encouraging whats morally right is important.

and what I personally believe I like it for the people I care as well but at the same time I do not go ahead and curse or disrepect others cause of their personal choices u know. I guess the trick is in maintaining the balance
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Posted: 14 years ago
#49
At the time of marriage(in any religion),society gets the affirmation from both that they are committed to each other as man & wife.This is just like a contract agreement!

In spite of this,Society or law will never compel any one to get bonded for ever in spite of differences!!

There are laws related to divorce!whenever there is a breach of contract,society settles the issue by way of law.

We are individuals & can excercise freedom as much(long) as it does not hurt some other fellow being!

There is a procedure for being a human being in a society & if we do not learn it,we will(never the society) lose!Just as we are not savages of a barbarian age!!

I wish there should be a cognizable effect to a cognizable act of BETRAYAL( for 5 years without openly discussing it,& convincing wife),insulting & EMOTIONAL ABUSE OF WIFE (all these are offences as per domestic violence act,2005).Why should he resort to all this non-sense?,when he can act cool in a right manner as per the procedures laid down by the society?

No girl wants to stay life long with the person who do not like her!When convinced in a proper manner she'd definitely agree for mutual consent!

Hope n wish Jagya gets an early divorce & beget parpota to DS & brings back all the joy to haveli.

Also wish some nice gentleman works out a successful chemistry with Anandi & begets MAHATMA GANDHI s,RAJA RAM MOHAN ROYs,MOTHER THERESA s, as well!!!

Thanks to IF 4 bringing up a platform for lively exchange of views n gifted an opportunity to get enlightened from!!



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac


Differences are something thats bound to happen and do exist. And to live with difference in peaceful manner and at the same time encouraging whats morally right is important.

and what I personally believe I like it for the people I care as well but at the same time I do not go ahead and curse or disrepect others cause of their personal choices u know. I guess the trick is in maintaining the balance


I PERCEIVE AN ABLE LEADER & AN ADROIT MANAGER THROUGH UR POSTS SUCHI!
'must appreciate you 4 ur risk management skills!

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