CVs showing what Society Wants From a Woman - Page 2

Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

And this is what we have been saying since the start.

Gauri marrying Jagat was the biggest mistake of her life! and now you and me hopefully are getting ont eh same page

He is NO good for her. He will NOT stand up for her rather he will blam eher as you saw in precap!

Originally posted by: woman11

@doeylpakhi: If you are blaming the CVs for Anandi's character, please don't spare them for ruining Gauri's character. She is portrayed as equally stereotyped as a woman as Anandi. Let me argue why taking your points individually.

1. It was apalling to see how Anandi went to eat in J's plate after he finished off his lunch!!! 😡
Eating on husband's jhootha plate is horrible, Whether Anandi does it or Gauri does it, the act is condemnable and reflects an ill custom. Anandi is still an uneducated, superstitious rural woman but when Gauri being an educated, urban-bred girl runs to do the same thing it becomes pathetic.

I have never stated G has done the right thing. I am stating about Anandi because she is supposed to be the Ideal character - the heroine of this serial. Anandi has been always portrayed as the girl who raises the right questions, do the right things. So it is expected that she at least show some self respect. She did not fear anyone when she took Gulli away from the politician's clutch; she did not fear when she fought with the villagers for Phooli - so why is she behaving like a rural uneducated woman in this case?


2. I mean - WTH??!!!!! Whether Gauri eats from J's plate or not, it's completely different issue.
No it's not, it's the same issue. The custom remains an evil custom irrespective of who does it.

It's different issue because J has given G the right of being his beendni. Whether G shamelessly assert her right or not is nothing to do with Anandi being pathetic.

3. But why is Anandi eating from his plate?!! Doesn't this woman Anandi have any shame or self respect?🥱🤢😡
Anandi knows she is the legal wife, so she has all rights to the marriage----whether good or bad.

That's an oxymoron. On one hand, A is not ready to assert her right in any way on J. On the other hand, she is eating from his jhooti thali. OK - i understand that A loves J so much that she does not want to make him unhappy. But what has stopped her from giving some respect or value to herself? when she is not asserting any right, why is she asserting the right of eating from his jhooti thali.

4. On one hand, Anandi says that one cannot snatch right in a relationship, on the other hand she is shocked and depressed when Gauri was ready to eat from J's plate. If Anandi is ready to move away from J's life for his happiness, can't she at least show some respect and value to herself?
The serial runs on forcing adhikars, and who does it better than Dr.Gauri? If Gauri's acts of forcing her relationship on the family is all in good will and does not show her lack of self respect, Anandi's act, under the impression that she is the legal wife---shouldn't be condemned as lack of self respect.

I don't know why you are bringing G's name again and again. 😕 G's character has been butchered. Moreover, she was never been the protagonist of this serial. In telly world, the protagonist does the right thing. So if CVs are showing the protagonist to be a doormat, I really have nothing to say.

5. Also she says that she will wait for the real Jagya to be back even though there is least chance. Excuse me!! What does this mahan atma mean ??!!
She means that she is still in love with the man who used to be her husband and is still in a state of shock to rationalize things.

Anandi's relationship has been over for quiet some years. J has been treating her badly and has kept almost no contact with her. So, it's not so sudden that it's difficult for A to accept the reality. Moreover, if A can show the guts to stay at home and see her hubby with another woman, why can't she rationalize things? Whether she loves J or not is not the issue - my point is - Anandi (aka CVs) are trying to justify J's behavior saying that he has changed. Reality is J has not changed. He was chauvinist and that's why he did everything.

6. In which Utopian world is she living? Does she mean to say that J has changed after moving over to Mumbai?
The same Utopian world in which Gauri is living in which she believes that the man who lies to her for 5 years is still going to be trustworthy enough.

Again, whether G or A is right is not the question. CV's are trying to pit A and G against each other and in this process they want to show that A is good and G is bad. So if A is good and right, then why A is making such mistakes?

7. HUNH!!! Why can't Anandi accept the fact that J was a male chauvinist even before he moved to Mumbai.
For the same reasons as Gauri can't accept that once a cheater is always a cheater and keeps loving her Jagat. Also Jagya was always a male chauvinist but the Jagya before Mumbai is radically different from the Jagat in Mumbai. Please watch the earlier episodes to track his dramatic change of behavior.

I have watched BV always 😃 J's behavior has not changed. He used to scream at A if she did not do anything per his wish - he always did what he wanted and never cared or listened what others said. Only difference is that after moving to Mumbai, J got G and hence he did not need A in his life. some men always need a woman in his life. J is such a character. Actually, he is a type who wants the best of the both worlds. 🥱

8. It's another matter whether she continues loving J or not. But thinking that Jagya and Jagat are two different persons is height of stupidity.
Truly, so is Gauri stupid enough to overlook Jagya's baggage and take him as teh Jagat she knows. For Gauri, Jagya does not exist, it's only Jagat and hence she keeps calling him with the same name even after knowing his real name. For her he will always be Jagat, just as for Anandi he will always be Jagya. That's Anandi's coping mechanism with the new personality he has become.

Again, I never said G is intelligent and she is right. With time, it will be seen that JG will understand each other's true nature and it will be unacceptable to each other.

But Anandi thinking that J has changed and that he might return to his old self - is like saying "Subah ka bhoola jab sham ko laut aye to bhoola nehi rehte" I don't remember the exact hindi proverb, but aisa kuch meaning hai. 😳

My argument is - J is not subah ka bhoola... he has been always a selfish and arrogant person. And most likely he will remain so.

9. On one hand, they are claiming to be progressive while they continuously showing the women to be a doormat whose only motto in life should be to get married. 👎🏼
Shame!!!!!
True, it's absolutely disgusting---------it's all the more disgusting to see a highly educated girl lamenting that her child marriage was aborted and that she was denied marital rights from childhood. 🤢

I absolutely agree with you that the CVs are showing immensely patriarchal, regressive values and stereotyping women to the worst possible extent. But when you take this point up, critically analyze both Anandi and Gauri instead of just bashing Anandi. Gauri's transformation from an enlightened, educated, sensible modern girl to a traditional, regressive, wronged against child bride dying for marital rights in her sasural and losing her sleep over every ritual is even more pathetic and sends a very wrong message about the integrity of educated women.

First of all - I am not pitting A and G together. I am talking about A because she is the PROTAGONIST of the serial and when the lead, who is supposed to be the IDEAL character , shown to be in such a regressive way, then we know what's the intention of the serial makers are . Just to garner TRPs by cheap woman vs. woman fight. I completely agree that G's character was butchered. G was shown to be regressive too. As I stated earlier. we are watching actually G vs. A drama where A is supposed to be the right person and G wrong. My point is - is that doormat behavior of A is the right thing??? Most importantly, A is not always the doormat and she made protests when required without even caring for DS wrath. So why is she behaving like this now?

Originally posted by: woman11

@doyelpakhi:

Seems we are both on the same page, just reading it differently. 😛 Anandi and Gauri are both stereotypes and are blown out of proportion for TRPs. There's no doubt about it, just as there's no doubt about the fact that the CVs stick to certain patriarchal norms especially in portraying women and as serialjunkie said, the focus is mostly on the woman and their dynamics. The ironical thing is we seem to be blaming the CVs according to our convenience. If CVs are to be blamed for Anandi's character, they are equally responsible for DS, Jagya, Gauri, Sumitra, Bhairon, Gehna etc etc characters. It's fallacious to blame the flaws of Gauri's character on the CV and then blaming Anandi as if she is a real life person. And that's what seems to be happening in most posts in the forum. Characters esp Anandi is bashed for HER OWN faults while Gauri and Jagya seem to get excused for being the mess created by the CVs. That's precisely why I brought in Gauri's comparison, for if you are discussing the way CVs have ruined female characters, your discussion seems very biased without critically analyzing Gauri's character too. Either we blame the CVs or we not----it is funny to compare characters as real life people with characters as CV's creation in the same argument. It becomes the case of whether we are analyzing the author or the text.

Now if we rule out the CVs from the whole equation, then Anandi as a character appears doormat-ish, mahaan, spineless and without self-respect. Yet you yourself mentioned that it is not always the case with her--------earlier too she has protested against things and raised a voice against ill customs. Then why isn't Anandi acting like a fiery feminist in her own house? That's precisely where the point of social conditioning comes in. Anandi's incapability to be vocal against authority, her tendency to be a passive sufferer, her regard for her husband in spite of everything he has done, her attempts to save her marriage at any cost----------are striking flaws and unimaginable offenses for us but are part of her social conditioning in a rural, intensely patriarchal family. We can't stand it because it goes against everything we have been TAUGHT about being a woman, but the fact remains there are thousands of women like her who show the same traits of "dumbness" like her. Why??----because that's what they have known and been taught throughout their lives, that's what they had been brought up to believe and they haven't known otherwise. It remains a fact however much we feel frustrated with such women. It's a fact that we are a select few privileged women in India who have had the opportunity to get educated, be exposed to progressive ideas, have had a brush with feminism, and are given the independence to speak out our mind. Not all our less fortunate sisters are like us. And we might not identify with Anandi but a majority of the viewers are like Anandi, have been brought up in the same set up as Anandi and share the same attitude as Anandi. Anandi's actions might be making a lot of sense to them. To tell you the truth, I don't identify with Anandi either, but I don't hate her because I have seen people like her and know what precise social conditioning goes into making a woman like her. I don't see a point in bashing a victim. I don't see our maid back in India believing in the same rights of women as I do. She is more traditional and believes women should be below men. Why is she like that? Because she chooses to be like that? Should I start bashing her for not being a feminist like me? NO. I would rather advise her to make the best of her situation and teach her small ways of asserting her rights, instead of expecting her that she would get up one fine morning, throw her drunken husband out of her house, claim divorce and alimony from him, and be a fierce single mother. That's absurd.

Does that mean the CVs should stop projecting an alternative, more emancipated image of a woman? No. In fact I think the CVs need to be at least given the credit that they have shown Anandi capable of asking questions, raising her voice and facing the situation strongly without radically making her a firebrand feminist who goes on to demolish every aspect of a patriarchal society. That would have been absurd. So lets wait and see how Anandi comes out of this mess and what her approach is to the rest of her future. Not all wars can be won in the same way------even feminists agree that not every principle of Western feminism can be blindly applied to change the society of a more traditional country like India. So I would give credit to Anandi for the small incisions and holes she is making in the normative structure without crossing her limits. How can we expect Anandi to act like the way we would, BUT without our kind of progressive family, without our education, without our privileges of being exposed to progressive ideas and without the freedom we enjoy. 😃

And that's precisely why I am frustrated more with Gauri----she seems to have all the privileges for progressive thinking, like many of us, and yet decides to remain blind and lament on missing out being a beendni. I really wanted Gauri to act more sensibly as an educated woman would.

Originally posted by: pjyo

It wasn't anandi alone both girls wanted to get the rights to jagya's leftover plate rights👎🏼...

I didn't like anandi going for jagya's dirty plate -she should be accustomed by now to eat in clean plates since jagya was in mumbai for past 5 years..

Even though Anandi was ready to take that plate as usual gauri beat her to it😲-Seriously, i expected better sense atleast from Dr.gauri--to refuse to eat from that plate 🤔saying its unhygienic(even little anandi did protest) but NO ,gauri jumps into the chair beating anandi..🤪

Instead of running after that loser both these girls should throw that plate at him instead😡...maybe cvs will someday show that..🤔