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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ryan40


So where is everyone??

Oh-wow where are you? We need you to paint a picture of Amoli- The Tigress, the way you did DV's in
another thread.



Just got around to reading this post.....very very interesting .......the whole thread is very intersting......
I for one always wanted this story to go the edge......really, really wanted to see that......i want to see
someone reach for something without co-opting society mores to this magic circle......
would have been an unimaginable treat.....but Ekta & Colors dashed that one treat.....

As regards Amoli, the picture is clear in my head.....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: g_viswam

IAmoli to fall into a no-bars kind of love with DV' does not suit Amoli's character.

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Why not, G?
Each one of us has a 'Id' deeply buried in our psyches, controlled by our 'super-egoes, which we experience as 'balancing acts' in everyday life. So why not Amoli?
For instance,,,,, Upon the re-entry of the 1st wife to stake her claim on Dv, Amoli's Id could very well be aroused to safeguard what she now considers her sole property,
If the viewers were agog at Dv de-flowering village girls in the earlier episodes, why should it be difficult to picturize Amoli creating a fortress around herself & Dv even by employing un-fair means?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Why not, G?
Each one of us has a 'Id' deeply buried in our psyches, controlled by our 'super-egoes, which we experience as 'balancing acts' in everyday life. So why not Amoli?
For instance,,,,, Upon the re-entry of the 1st wife to stake her claim on Dv, Amoli's Id could very well be aroused to safeguard what she now considers her sole property,
If the viewers were agog at Dv de-flowering village girls in the earlier episodes, why should it be difficult to picturize Amoli creating a fortress around herself & Dv even by employing un-fair means?
Why not? …. Great question. Let us take a look at Amoli.

This is the woman who kept her mouth shut about all the trouble DV was putting her through while she was married to radhae. The reason she did it? Because she did not want to disprove Urmila's (wife no 1 of DV) faith in her husband.

This is the woman who even tries to be nice to shobana (sis-in-law of DV) as she knows shobana's background.

This is the woman who fights for Chandana's rights again and again with her best friend Kumodhi though she knows Kumodhi is right in wanting vengeance. She does this because she feels that hurting an innocent is not the right way to go about achieving one's revenge.

This is the woman who puts Takhur in jail even though he is her husband, but brings him back when she realizes that he was not the one responsible. All this, while the sole purpose she lives with DV is to destroy him.

This is the woman who stops DV from performing the task of washing Dipesh's leg because she considers Dipesh to be in the wrong.

This is the woman who dares to point the gun at radhae even though she considers him her rightful partner.

In short this is the woman whose belief in "right" has taken her through every bad point in her life. Her will is unbreakable. Her belief in her God and what is right unshakable. Her kindness to others even when in pain herself undeniable…… It would not be in her character to turn selfish suddenly.

So if Urmila did return, Amoli would most probably fight for DV to take her back… even if she were in pain.

Sad, right? Even I would prefer for Amoli to build a wall around herself and DV but unfortunately, that would not be in her.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Oh-wow…

To tell you the truth, I don't believe that character can change that much….may be in a story line it could be possible but if we are being true to a character… that may not be a good option.

For example.. we say DV changed from bad to good… but on many occasions even when he was bad, you do see the good and that he realizes that he is not in the right. Take the instance where Urmila is telling chandana that she would get a husband as good as DV and DV's face changes. He knows but his stubbornness and arrogance prevent him accepting it. He could never have changed if there had not been some inherent good in him. But you see great potential in him to turn angry, bitter an on the war path again if circumstance demanded it. He may not be able to become completely heartless, but he could cause damage if need be.

Now if we take a person like Amoli… whose very existence is defined by her beliefs…would she be able to live with doing wrong? This character has never once gone against her beliefs. Her beliefs have held her strong and true. Her beliefs have taken her through hell and back… her beliefs have given her victory in every situation.

Par koun jaane? Kahani me kuch be possible hai….

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: g_viswam

@Oh-wow'

To tell you the truth, I don't believe that character can change that much'.may be in a story line it could be possible but if we are being true to a character' that may not be a good option.

For example.. we say DV changed from bad to good' but on many occasions even when he was bad, you do see the good and that he realizes that he is not in the right. Take the instance where Urmila is telling chandana that she would get a husband as good as DV and DV's face changes. He knows but his stubbornness and arrogance prevent him accepting it. He could never have changed if there had not been some inherent good in him. But you see great potential in him to turn angry, bitter an on the war path again if circumstance demanded it. He may not be able to become completely heartless, but he could cause damage if need be.

Now if we take a person like Amoli' whose very existence is defined by her beliefs'would she be able to live with doing wrong? This character has never once gone against her beliefs. Her beliefs have held her strong and true. Her beliefs have taken her through hell and back' her beliefs have given her victory in every situation.

Par koun jaane? Kahani me kuch be possible hai'.




.......if we go with that premise...then it is impossible for her to fall in love with DV......
.....maybe he also knows it...hence the obsession!!!!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Iam going to avoid quoting oh-wow & g_viswam here in the hope that members read the prior posts before this one. :)

We all have a dark side to us which is in normal circumstance, kept in check by our ethical, rational side. However every once in a while most of us will experience a situation where rational thought flies out the window & the dark side takes over. It could be as innocent as giving in to a chocolaty temptation while on a diet, or as heinous as throwing rocks at a temple or a mosque.
Id v/s super-ego.....again.

G, you have tabulated Amoli's journey very efficiently. But that journey ended when she fired the gun.
A simple girl of sound moral fibre & unquestionable ethics, aims & fires to kill. From deep within the recesses of her subconscious, she heard a voice that spurred her to commit an act she never thought she was capable of....She is as shocked as we are. And G - As for "being able to live with doing wrong", She did....for 5 yrs....while he went to prison...for something she did!

Oh-wow, we now get to your Amoli......the one in the Sequel :)
Resplendent in Dv's love for her...still as good & virtuous, until faced by a situation where the demon will raise its ugly head once again.

So far we have seen Amoli fight Dv. Now lets see her fight For Dv.
Could be fun....what say you?



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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Pankaj205

I had to laugh at the chocolate adage… firing a gun put her on the dark side… well you could be right, but something done on an adrenalin rush of temporary fight or flight response could not exactly be considered "flipping over to the dark side".

While I am all for fighting dirty, when need arises, it takes a certain character to be able to do it. And someone does not get to be able to fight dirty just because of an instant response situation. I am more apt to think that if at all Amoli has to fight for DV then she would do it all out in her usual "shour veer" mode… seena thanke …as they say it…

@Oh-wow… I do agree, that could have been a cause for the obsession

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Posted: 14 years ago
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....i am already drolling.......i am convinced that who it has to be.......love of a person
like DV is a whirpool....once Amoli is sucked in she there is no chance she can tell
right from wrong where her love is concerned.......where that is not in question
her head is screwed on right!!!!




Originally posted by: Pankaj205

Iam going to avoid quoting oh-wow & g_viswam here in the hope that members read the prior posts before this one. :)


We all have a dark side to us which is in normal circumstance, kept in check by our ethical, rational side. However every once in a while most of us will experience a situation where rational thought flies out the window & the dark side takes over. It could be as innocent as giving in to a chocolaty temptation while on a diet, or as heinous as throwing rocks at a temple or a mosque.
Id v/s super-ego.....again.

G, you have tabulated Amoli's journey very efficiently. But that journey ended when she fired the gun.
A simple girl of sound moral fibre & unquestionable ethics, aims & fires to kill. From deep within the recesses of her subconscious, she heard a voice that spurred her to commit an act she never thought she was capable of....She is as shocked as we are. And G - As for "being able to live with doing wrong", She did....for 5 yrs....while he went to prison...for something she did!

Oh-wow, we now get to your Amoli......the one in the Sequel :)
Resplendent in Dv's love for her...still as good & virtuous, until faced by a situation where the demon will raise its ugly head once again.

So far we have seen Amoli fight Dv. Now lets see her fight For Dv.
Could be fun....what say you?



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Posted: 14 years ago
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@oh-wow... You sound like a diehard romantic..... may your wishes be granted... and

@pankaj205... one thing is sure... love is blind, deaf and addictive... so the alternative of an obsessive Amoli is not beyond the realm of possibilities...I might find it hard to digest… but I will not disagree that it is not possible…. I guess the conservative in me, just does not want my Amoli tarnished…

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