Did they seriously end Ghatochkat in one episode - Page 2

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01158.htm

The entire scene is a transaction😆 between Hidimbi and Kunti/Yudhishtira. Bheema's stud service for Hidimbi's protection. KMG uses the word husband, but marriage is nowhere mentioned. CE omits the H word.

CE, Book 1 - Knowing that the prescribed time of her stay with them was over,Hidimba made another agreement with them25 and went where she wanted.

Actually, the order of the Pandava children were - Ghatotkatcha, Iravan, Babruvahana, Abhimanyu, the upapandavas. Babruvahan was already out because of the deal with Manipur. Neither Ghatotkatcha's nor Iravan's mothers were lawfully wed to the respective Pandava. They wouldn't have been considered heirs in any case given the women's races, but the weddings didn't happen, adding another factor against inheritance.

Actually, I have a theory. After the Hidimbi episode, Vyasa leads Pandavas to Ekchakra. In Adi-vamshavatarana parva, Prativindhya is said to be an incarnation of Ekchakra, the demon. I forget where it was I read that Prativindhya was lost as an infant, then found by Arjuna in Ekchakra and brought to Indraprastha.

Conjecture: Prativindhya was Yudhishtira's son from another woman, conceived while the Pandavas were in Ekchakra. Perhaps the prospect of Panchal princess made him lie to Drupada about not being married before. After all, a king like Drupada would expect his bitiya to be chief queen/empress, and Yudhishtira would not have wanted to risk the alliance.

So the birth order would be - Ghatotkatcha, Prativindhya, Iravan, Babruvahana, Abhimanyu, the other upapandavas. But since Yudhishtira couldn't acknowledge his son with a wife he never acknowledged, Prativindhya got pushed down the inheritance ranks. Perhaps Panchali adopted him after.

How is that for a zany theory?😆

Or maybe yudhishtra was indeed not married just like how bheem was not married to hidimba and arjuna was not married to ulloopi

Plus according to the above theory prativindhya is not Krishnaa s child ?? What about other upandavas ? And what about suthanu ?

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Or maybe yudhishtra was indeed not married just like how bheem was not married to hidimba and arjuna was not married to ulloopi

Plus according to the above theory prativindhya is not Krishnaa s child ?? What about other upandavas ? And what about suthanu ?

Don't have the answers. It's just speculation given how many times Ekchakra features in Prativindhya's story and how Abhimanyu could've been considered heir.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ghatochkat was such an important part of the war. SeeHe was no less than Abhimanyu in strength, had fought immensely throughout the war, and here they got him for three scenes in one episode when Bheem meets him for the first time and then today when he was shown as some one who is magically targeting the Kaurav army, hits Duryodhan and is finally killed by Karna. All his might was concealed within his Rakshasi magical power

Even the episode of Ghatochkat's death had so much time spent on Gandhari, Kunti stuff.

Not even one complete episode dedicated to such a great warrior??

For the first time I didn't like something in the show

Such a huge disrespect to a great warrior

Ghatotkacha got more respect in Ramanand Sagar's Shri Krishna, where they showed him occasionally fighting, and finally killing, Alambusha.

Also, BRC made it look like Ghatotkacha joined the war on day 14. Not true: he was there from day 1. Day 2 or 3, he took over when his father was getting tired (the ACK Ghatotkacha has it that he asked his father to just think about him when he needed him and he'd be there - this was when Bhima took leave of Hidimbi after Ghatotkacha was born). On day 7 or 8, when Iravana was killed, he was furious and launched a major attack on Alambusha. On day 14, he finally killed Alambusha, who was too much for even Bhima, and could only be contained by Abhimanyu.

Not just all that, during the Pandava vanvas, Bhima did not stumble on Ghatotkacha when he was trying to do a human sacrifice: he thought of him and Ghatotkacha appeared. In one of their journeys, the Pandavas were exhausted, but wanted to get to Kubera lok, so Ghatotkacha and his rakshasha followers, who could fly, came there. Ghatotkacha, being Draupadi's son, took her while his followers carried the other Pandavas to their destination. Not sure whether this happened just the one time, but Ghatotkacha was very invaluable to the Pandavas even during the vanvas, not just the war.

It's a great injustice to him to totally overlook that aspect of his service to his family

^^^ Completely agreed, Ghatochkat entered the war on day 2, and he was one of the most fierce Pandav army warrior. He was only minutely less than Abhimanyu in his warskills (even that could be debatable) and was way better than the Uppandavas or Iravan. I think he was only after Arjun Bheem Abhimanyu and Satyaki.

He had special spot for Iravan (probably because both of them were born out of wedlock) and always helped him. It was his death by Alambusha that Ghatochkat avenged. He fought the war as the per rules until day 13 when Pandavas realized that Karna could use the Indrast against Arjun. Hence to lure him killing someone else Ghatochkat started attacking at night

Ghatochkat was loved by the entire family.

Here they made him a complete stranger to them who got acquainted on day 14 and got killed the next day.

I didn't like this representation of his

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It's amazing to me how Bheema's attractiveness to the ladies gets overlooked. Hidimbi first, then Panchali. Balandhara was arranged. The ladies in Virat were supposedly terribly jealous of Panchali because of the attention paid to her by the well-built cook.😆

Bheema was as much a ladies' man as Arjuna.

Given that Sairandhree had made it well known that she was already married to Gandharva husbands, it seems a bit indiscreet of Ballava to have paid attention to her, since he apparently wasn't a Gandharva. 😆

Similarly, Sairandhree herself was a bit indiscreet when she, during her threats to Keechak, mentioned that her 5 Gandharva husbands would protect her. Why mention 5, when only 1 would have to? Mentioning that you have 5 husbands was a very strong indicator that you are Draupadi 😆

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

^^^ Completely agreed, Ghatochkat entered the war on day 2, and he was one of the most fierce Pandav army warrior. He was only minutely less than Abhimanyu in his warskills (even that could be debatable) and was way better than the Uppandavas or Iravan. I think he was only after Arjun Bheem Abhimanyu and Satyaki.

He had special spot for Iravan (probably because both of them were born out of wedlock) and always helped him. It was his death by Alambusha that Ghatochkat avenged. He fought the war as the per rules until day 13 when Pandavas realized that Karna could use the Indrast against Arjun. Hence to lure him killing someone else Ghatochkat started attacking at night

Ghatochkat was loved by the entire family.

Here they made him a complete stranger to them who got acquainted on day 14 and got killed the next day.

I didn't like this representation of his

Neither was born out of wedlock: it's just that both their mothers were abandoned by their fathers after marriage.

In Uloopi's case, she got to join Arjun after the Ashwamedha yagna, and live w/ him until the Swargarohan yatra. Hidimbi had no such luck, since she was a rakshashi and therefore forbidden from living w/ humans in either Hastinapur or Indraprastha

Coming to think of it, Yudhisthir should have wagered Hidimbi instead of Draupadi. It would have been fun seeing Dushashan even try to drag her to court: Bhima wouldn't have needed to do anything. Hidimbi alone could have just eaten Dushashan 😈

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Neither was born out of wedlock: it's just that both their mothers were abandoned by their fathers after marriage.

In Uloopi's case, she got to join Arjun after the Ashwamedha yagna, and live w/ him until the Swargarohan yatra. Hidimbi had no such luck, since she was a rakshashi and therefore forbidden from living w/ humans in either Hastinapur or Indraprastha

Coming to think of it, Yudhisthir should have wagered Hidimbi instead of Draupadi. It would have been fun seeing Dushashan even try to drag her to court: Bhima wouldn't have needed to do anything. Hidimbi alone could have just eaten Dushashan 😈

Yudhishtir couldn't have staked his brothers' wife/partner

And nowhere it is mentioned that Hindimbi married Bheem, after the death of her brother, she needed a support and Bheem provided her that till she bore a child. Not even Gandharva Vivah is mentioned of them. It was kind of live in arrangement

Uloopi too isn't mentioned to have married properly, she tricked Arjun into spending time with her

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Given that Sairandhree had made it well known that she was already married to Gandharva husbands, it seems a bit indiscreet of Ballava to have paid attention to her, since he apparently wasn't a Gandharva. 😆

Similarly, Sairandhree herself was a bit indiscreet when she, during her threats to Keechak, mentioned that her 5 Gandharva husbands would protect her. Why mention 5, when only 1 would have to? Mentioning that you have 5 husbands was a very strong indicator that you are Draupadi 😆

There are a couple of thoughts I've seen about this.

1. Virat knew who they were. This is plausible because imagine him sending four out of five Pandavas to deal with raiders. Imagine him leaving the palace unprotected with only a supposed eunuch to protect them.

2. Polyandry was common among Matsyas, so they wouldn't immediately out two and two together.

3. Interpolation.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yudhishtir couldn't have staked his brothers' wife/partner

And nowhere it is mentioned that Hindimbi married Bheem, after the death of her brother, she needed a support and Bheem provided her that till she bore a child. Not even Gandharva Vivah is mentioned of them. It was kind of live in arrangement

Uloopi too isn't mentioned to have married properly, she tricked Arjun into spending time with her

Under ancient shastric law, if a man had sex w/ another woman, and that woman was unmarried, then that act itself was an act of marriage. It was known as a Rakshasha vivaha. Didn't mean that the participants were rakshashas: it meant that they followed a certain process of marrying, and therefore ended up married. That's what happened to Uloopi, and to Hidimbi. If Uloopi could trick Arjun into sexually consuming her, then what she did was effectively trick him into marrying her. Regardless of whether or not he took her to her sasural

The fact that Uloopi was accepted into Arjun's household - along w/ Chitrangada - after the Ashwamedha yagna further butresses that they were married

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yudhishtir couldn't have staked his brothers' wife/partner

Why, isn't possession a commutative property? If Yudhi owned Bhima, and Bhima owned Hidimbi, didn't Yudhi as a result own Hidimbi?