Who was the heir to the Throne after Yudhishtira? - Page 6

I don't read Mahabharata book but in tv it was shown that duryodhan smashing head thinking it is pandav head

Originally posted by: NoraSM

There's birth of Upapandavas too

It is written in both Abhimanyu and Upapandava's birth text that Arjun trained them, Obviously happened before he had to go on exile, not possible if Abhimanyu was 2 years old

"Three and thirty years have passed away since the time, when Arjuna, having invited Agni, gratified him at Khandava, vanquishing all the celestials. We have never heard of his defeat anywhere, O child. Like the case of Indra, victory is always Arjuna's, who hath for his charioteer in battle Hrishikesa, endued with the same character and position. "

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05052.htm

According to this, The great War took place after 33 years of Khandavprasth fire incident which took place after Abhimanyu's birth

If I were to buy that, I'd have to buy Bheeshma et al were actually over a 100 and managed to wreak havoc during Kurkushetra.

In which we would be talking about faith.

Where faith comes in, I bow out. I respect faith, but it makes discussion impossible.

Originally posted by: RamKiSeeta

Found it! Abhimanyu is indeed older than all the Upa Pandavas. Subhadra becomes pregnant almost immediately after her marriage.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01224.htm

SECTION CCXXIII

(Haranaharana Parva)

O Bharata, the high-souled Vasudeva remained there with Arjuna in the delightful city of Indraprastha. And the illustrious one wandered over the banks of the Yamuna in search of deer. And he sported with Arjuna piercing with his shafts deer and wild boars. Then Subhadra, the favourite sister of Kesava, gave birth to an illustrious son, like Puloma's daughter, (the queen of heaven) bringing forth Jayanta. And the son that Subhadra brought forth was of long arms, broad chest, and eyes as large as those of a bull. That hero and oppressor of foes came to be called Abhimanyu. And the son of Arjuna, that grinder of foes and bull among men, was called Abhimanyu because he was fearless and wrathful. And that great warrior was begotten upon the daughter of the Satwata race by Dhananjaya, like fire produced in a sacrifice from within the sami wood by the process of rubbing. Upon the birth of this child, Yudhishthira, the powerful son of Kunti, gave away unto Brahmanas ten thousand cows and coins of gold. The child from his earliest years became the favourite of Vasudeva and of his father and uncles, like the moon of all the people of the world. Upon his birth, Krishna performed the usual rites of infancy. The child began to grow up like the Moon of the bright fortnight. That grinder of foes soon became conversant with the Vedas and acquired from his father the science of weapon both celestial and human, consisting of four branches and ten divisions.

"Endued with great strength, the child also acquired the knowledge of counteracting the weapons hurled at him by others, and great lightness of hand and fleetness of motion forward and backward and transverse and wheeling. Abhimanyu became like unto his father in knowledge of the scriptures and rites of religion. And Dhananjaya, beholding his son, became filled with joy. Like Maghavat beholding Arjuna, the latter beheld his son Abhimanyu and became exceedingly happy. Abhimanyu possessed the power of slaying every foe and bore on his person every auspicious mark. He was invisible in battle and broad-shouldered as the bull. Possessing a broad face as (the hood of) the snake, he was proud like the lion. Wielding a

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large bow, his prowess was like that of an elephant in rut. Possessed of a face handsome as the full-moon, and of a voice deep as the sound of the drum or the clouds, he was equal unto Krishna in bravery and energy, in beauty and in features. The auspicious Panchali also, from her five husbands, obtained five sons all of whom were heroes of the foremost rank and immovable in battle like the hills. Prativindhya by Yudhishthira, Sutasoma by Vrikodara, Srutakarman by Arjuna, Satanika by Nakula, and Srutasena by Sahadeva,--these were the five heroes and great warriors that Panchali brought forth, like Aditi bringing forth the Adityas. And the Brahmanas, from their foreknowledge, said unto Yudhishthira that as the son of his would be capable of bearing like the Vindhya mountains the weapons of the foe, he should be called Prativindhya. And because the child that Draupadi bore to Bhimasena was born after Bhima had performed a thousand Soma sacrifices, he came to be called Sutasoma. And because Arjuna's son was born upon his return from exile during which he had achieved many celebrated feats, that child came to be called Srutakarman. While Nakula named his son Satanika after a royal sage of that name, in the illustrious race of Kuru. Again the son that Draupadi bore to Sahadeva was born under the constellation called Vahni-daivata (Krittika), therefore was he called after the generalissimo of the celestial host, Srutasena (Kartikeya). The sons of Draupadi were born, each at the interval of one year, and all of them became renowned and much attached to one another. And, O monarch, all their rites of infancy and childhood, such as Chudakarana and Upanayana (first shave of the head and investiture with the sacred threads) were performed by Dhaumya according to the ordinance. All of them, of excellent behaviour and vows, after having studied the Vedas, acquired from Arjuna a knowledge of all the weapons, celestial and human. And, O tiger among kings, the Pandavas, having obtained sons all of whom were equal unto the children of the celestials and endued with broad chests, and all of whom became great warriors, were filled with joy.'"

The highlighted parts don't necessarily imply that Abhimanyu was born before Draupadi's kids

Originally posted by: surabhi01

I don't read Mahabharata book but in tv it was shown that duryodhan smashing head thinking it is pandav head

I never go by TV, b'cos there, they show all sorts of things. Like Dwarkadheesh showed Sudama accompanying Krishna to deal w/ Paundrak. Suryaputra Karna showed Karna saving Draupadi from being raped by Sishupala. So we need to stick by the original texts here, not just anything they showed on TV

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

If I were to buy that, I'd have to buy Bheeshma et al were actually over a 100 and managed to wreak havoc during Kurkushetra.

In which we would be talking about faith.

Where faith comes in, I bow out. I respect faith, but it makes discussion impossible.

Same goes for a 16 years old wrecking havoc during Kurukshetra and him being son of Moon, which is a satellite

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Same goes for a 16 years old wrecking havoc during Kurukshetra and him being son of Moon, which is a satellite

Actually, many soldiers are in their late teens when they start. Say for ex, U.S. Navy SEALs who captured Bin Laden. So yeah, it is entirely believable that a trained 16 yo can wreak havoc but not a 100 plus year old. Biology dictates both.

I don't believe Abhimanyu was son of moon, etc.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Same goes for a 16 years old wrecking havoc during Kurukshetra and him being son of Moon, which is a satellite

I don't think that Abhimanyu was 16, but neither do I think that the Pandavas were in their 90s. Drona may have been 85, in which case the Pandavas would have been in their 40s or 50s.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Actually, many soldiers are in their late teens when they start. Say for ex, U.S. Navy SEALs who captured Bin Laden. So yeah, it is entirely believable that a trained 16 yo can wreak havoc but not a 100 plus year old. Biology dictates both.

I don't believe Abhimanyu was son of moon, etc.

If one doesn't believe the moon theory then he doesn't have to be 16 as the only place where it is mentioned is with moon theory

He can be in his early 20s

Originally posted by: NoraSM

If one doesn't believe the moon theory then he doesn't have to be 16 as the only place where it is mentioned is with moon theory

He can be in his early 20s

I agree.

That's why I said 16 to early 20s.

So...

Abhimanyu vs Yudhistir's son

Who and why was the heir?