Kunti and karna - Page 6

Originally posted by: kurkure26

Like karna and yudhishthira wrong doings can't be justified

Similarly kunti wronging her son can't be justified

Abu bakr Baghdadi mom didn't abandon her son

I qm sure she would try telling him many times to don't do wrong , but he didn't listen to her

In the end she called the police for the greater good of nation

Two wrongs don't make one right

Kunti didn't abandon her son.

If you go by the divine interpretation, she asked Sun God to protect him.

If you go by logical angle, there is no way a basket floated from Kuntibhoj to Anga where the SOLAR dynasty ruled. My best guess would be boat.

Afterward, there was no need for Kunti to acknowledge Karna. He already had loving parents, a comfortable life, good education, a prince for a best friend, and a kingdom of his own.

Once Karna instigated a sexual assault against Panchali, things clearly changed. War was inevitable. Kunti decided where her loyalties lie. She did her part in protecting the Pandavas, in delivering justice.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Then at least she should have accepted it at the last.

There was no reason to behave like a victim at the end

Gandhari lost all her sons and still Kunti is considered more of a victim

That is the only thing I don't understand about her. Why didn't she take the secret to her grave? Why pile guilt on the Pandavas who had absolutely nothing to do with any of it?

Originally posted by: Padosan12

Kunti was a selfish character when she went to meet karna ,she went as a pandavas mom not as his mom. And even this time she could have give love and care no she was asking him not to kill Arjun...

I don't like her tbh , and also she kept quiet in all years why ? ...And also I found Karna to be hot headed and what he did in draupadi cheer haran ...Kunti ke saare putra aise hi the ek ko vastu lagi ,dusre ko jua kiye huyi daan mei ...

Thank you! I didn't agree w/ the others on how Karna going wayward w/ his insults of Draupadi, among other things, rationalized Kunti's right to approach him at all! She remains the worst character in both the epics for me

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Kunti did love all her five sons equally sahadev was her favourite. So that says alot.

Actually, is there any reference in the original texts that show that Sahadev was Kunti's favorite? All I've ever seen is the BRC references suggesting it.

The parts about her loving NS like YBA is nowhere in the epic, as far as I recall

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

See this is what I don't get.

After dice hall, Karna had become irredeemable. Why shouldn't she have done what she did? The criminal would face justice, and at least her semi decent children would be saved.

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Kunti had no business going to see him in the first place. Having abandoned him years ago, she had no moral authority to ask anything of him

End of story!

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That's just her words, just as she said to Karna that she had come to get back her son, although the plan was just to get Karna weak

Practically that didn't beget any result, Sahdev n Nakul remained in background. Sahdev actually killed an important character Shakuni but not many know about it, even Dusshashan is more famous than him

Shakuni's role in the epic is overrated. The only time he was important was in the game of dice. Otherwise, as far as the war went, he probably wasn't even a 'B' grade warrior: usually, the warriors engaging him from the Pandava side were Draupadi's sons, or other second tier Pandava warriors. He was no match for Sahadev and easily outclassed and slain by him, unlike what was shown in this serial. Ramanand Sagar's Shri Krishna wrongly showed Nakul killing Shakuni, but that aside, it was a somewhat less inaccurate depiction of them being evenly matched.

Anyway, I don't think Kunti had any role in Nakul and Sahadev being lesser players in the Pandava group

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Kunti had no business going to see him in the first place. Having abandoned him years ago, she had no moral authority to ask anything of him

End of story!

Not about moral authority. She clearly used mom card as weapon. But why shouldn't she?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Kunti didn't abandon her son.

If you go by the divine interpretation, she asked Sun God to protect him.

If you go by logical angle, there is no way a basket floated from Kuntibhoj to Anga where the SOLAR dynasty ruled. My best guess would be boat.

Afterward, there was no need for Kunti to acknowledge Karna. He already had loving parents, a comfortable life, good education, a prince for a best friend, and a kingdom of his own.

Once Karna instigated a sexual assault against Panchali, things clearly changed. War was inevitable. Kunti decided where her loyalties lie. She did her part in protecting the Pandavas, in delivering justice.

Kunti did abandon her son. Putting an infant into a basket and asking a deity to protect him is abandoning! Also, the basket didn't flow to Anga: it floated to the home of Adiratha, whose home location is unstated, and therefore, may well have been in the vicinity of Kuntidesh. And an infant couldn't have lived long b4 being discovered by Adiratha, kavach-kundalas notwithstanding.

Karna's relationship w/ Anga didn't start until Dury made him its ruler

If Kunti decided that her loyalties lay w/ her sons, she should have left Hastinapur when they left and gone to one of her brothers' kingdoms - either Purujit or Vasudev, putting aside any reservations she had about her past treatment from them. You don't live in a place that you wanna undermine.

Similarly, after the war, she had no business accompanying Dhritarashtra and Gandhari.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Kunti did abandon her son. Putting an infant into a basket and asking a deity to protect him is abandoning! Also, the basket didn't flow to Anga: it floated to the home of Adiratha, whose home location is unstated, and therefore, may well have been in the vicinity of Kuntidesh. And an infant couldn't have lived long b4 being discovered by Adiratha, kavach-kundalas notwithstanding.

Karna's relationship w/ Anga didn't start until Dury made him its ruler

If Kunti decided that her loyalties lay w/ her sons, she should have left Hastinapur when they left and gone to one of her brothers' kingdoms - either Purujit or Vasudev, putting aside any reservations she had about her past treatment from them. You don't live in a place that you wanna undermine.

Similarly, after the war, she had no business accompanying Dhritarashtra and Gandhari.

chitra-ratha's son is → dasha-ratha… whose daughter is shAnta, who is given to theson of sage vibhANDaka, namely sage R^ishya-shR^i~Nga; dasha-ratha’s son is → catura~Nga whosedescent is at the grace of sage R^ishya- shR^i~Nga,who conducted a vedic ritual called putra-kAmeShTi onbehalf of dasha-ratha to effectuate the birth ofchatura~na; from chatura~Nga → pR^ithula-akSha → champa;this king champa’s capital is champA-puri,aka mAlini-puri; he begot one prince called harya~Nga

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This is the patriline from harya~Nga → bR^ihat-karmA→bR^ihad-darbha →bR^ihat-manAH →jayadratha →

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O king janamejaya, king jayadrathais born of lady yashodevi. And from lady satya is born the celebrated king vijaya,who by his equanimity of mind and other qualities is superior to the brAhmaNa-sand by heroism and other accomplishments, is superior to the kshatriya-s...

vijaya's son is dhR^itiwhose son is dhR^ita-vrata. His son is the highlyillustrious satya-karma...

The son of satya-vrata through a brAhmaNalady is a sUta - because of the rule: brAhmaNyAm kshatriya jAtaH sUta iti abhidhIyate -

and this mighty chariot-warrior draws the suffix of ratha in his name from the very same dynasty of kshatriya-swith –ratha suffix, and he is called athi-ratha, who later adopted the son of lady kunti, namely karNa as his son. Itis therefore karNa is called the son of a charioteer... the family of thehighly powerful karNa has thus been described. karNa's son is vR^iSha-sena whose son is vR^iSha...

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_31.html

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the child contained in the basket came to the city of Champa ruled by a person of the Suta tribe. Indeed, the excellentcoat of mail and those ear-rings made of Amrita

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/src-mbh-03:section-306

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Vaisampayana said,And it came to pass that at this time a Suta named Adhiratha,who was a friend of Dhritarashtra, came to the river Ganga,accompanied by his wife. And, O king, his wifenamed Radha wasunparalleled on earth for beauty. And althoughthat

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/src-mbh-03:section-307

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Not about moral authority. She clearly used mom card as weapon. But why shouldn't she?

In that case, what's wrong w/ what Dury, Dushashan, Karna or Shakuni did either? They used their victor status in the dice game as a weapon as well!