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Posted: 5 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: .Vrish.


When Yudhisthir lost the game of dice, only he was exiled to the forest, not his brothers. They couldn't have gone to Indraprastha, but they could have gone anywhere else - Dwarka, Chedi, Kashi, Magadha, Panchala... Yet they chose to go into exile w/ him.


Do you seriously think that had Yudi decided to go to the forest w/ Dhritarashtra, that Bhima and Draupadi would have accepted the throne?


Brothers and Panchali were included in the 2nd dice game contract. But yeah, younger Pandavas would've again accompanied Yudhishtira, leaving perhaps Parikshith as king in name and Dhritharashtra/Vidur as regents. I have my doubts about Panchali accompanying them at that point, though. In that little snippet, she doesn't even ask Yudhishtira to stay, simply derides him as a lunatic who should've been locked up.


Edited to add: contract included Yudhishtira and Panchali, not the brothers. I'm guessing the Kaurava side really wanted her out after what she pulled off in the dice hall.


"Sakuni then said,--'The old king hath given ye back all your wealth. That is well. But, O bull of the Bharata race, listen to me, there is a stake of great value. Either defeated by ye at dice, dressed in deer skins we shall enter the great forest and live there for twelve years passing the whole of the thirteenth year in some inhabited region, unrecognised, and if recognised return to an exile of another twelve years; or vanquished by us, dressed in deer skins ye shall, with Krishna, live for twelve years in the woods passing the whole of the thirteenth year unrecognised, in some inhabited region. If recognised, an exile of another twelve years is to be the consequence. On the expiry of the thirteenth year, each is to have his kingdom surrendered by the other. O Yudhishthira, with this resolution, play with us, O Bharata, casting the dice.'

p. 146

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Posted: 5 years ago
#42

Kunti was a selfish character when she went to meet karna ,she went as a pandavas mom not as his mom. And even this time she could have give love and care no she was asking him not to kill Arjun...

I don't like her tbh , and also she kept quiet in all years why ? ...And also I found Karna to be hot headed and what he did in draupadi cheer haran ...Kunti ke saare putra aise hi the ek ko vastu lagi ,dusre ko jua kiye huyi daan mei ...

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Posted: 5 years ago
#43

I don't think Kunti loved nakul sahdev as much as she did her sons to be honest. They were both very capable at least Sahdev was way too much with his capabilities but practically they always remained in the shadows of Kunti's sons.

Despite Madri being the favourite wife of Pandu her sons went to the background


Personally I think her order of preference was

Her legitimate sons

Madri's legitimate sons

Her Kaneen son


As already we have discussed, she approached Karna only as Pandavas mom with the only intention to take away Duryodhan's only support not because of some motherly affection..


Why I feel bad about it (and not because of her leaving Karna) is that no where one could justify a mom manipulating her son for personal goals, that's why just to continue respecting her, I hope Karna wasn't her son at all, her entire act of spreading the Chinese whisper and other stuff was a part of her plan

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Posted: 5 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I don't think Kunti loved nakul sahdev as much as she did her sons to be honest. They were both very capable at least Sahdev was way too much with his capabilities but practically they always remained in the shadows of Kunti's sons.

Despite Madri being the favourite wife of Pandu her sons went to the background


Personally I think her order of preference was

Her legitimate sons

Madri's legitimate sons

Her Kaneen son


As already we have discussed, she approached Karna only as Pandavas mom with the only intention to take away Duryodhan's only support not because of some motherly affection..


Why I feel bad about it (and not because of her leaving Karna) is that no where one could justify a mom manipulating her son for personal goals, that's why just to continue respecting her, I hope Karna wasn't her son at all, her entire act of spreading the Chinese whisper and other stuff was a part of her plan

Kunti did love all her five sons equally sahadev was her favourite. So that says alot.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I don't think Kunti loved nakul sahdev as much as she did her sons to be honest. They were both very capable at least Sahdev was way too much with his capabilities but practically they always remained in the shadows of Kunti's sons.

Despite Madri being the favourite wife of Pandu her sons went to the background


Personally I think her order of preference was

Her legitimate sons

Madri's legitimate sons

Her Kaneen son


As already we have discussed, she approached Karna only as Pandavas mom with the only intention to take away Duryodhan's only support not because of some motherly affection..


Why I feel bad about it (and not because of her leaving Karna) is that no where one could justify a mom manipulating her son for personal goals, that's why just to continue respecting her, I hope Karna wasn't her son at all, her entire act of spreading the Chinese whisper and other stuff was a part of her plan


See this is what I don't get.


If Abu Bakr al Baghdadi's mom called the cops on him, the world would be celebrating her as a hero.


After dice hall, Karna had become irredeemable. Why shouldn't she have done what she did? The criminal would face justice, and at least her semi decent children would be saved.


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Posted: 5 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Kunti did love all her five sons equally sahadev was her favourite. So that says alot.

That's just her words, just as she said to Karna that she had come to get back her son, although the plan was just to get Karna weak

Practically that didn't beget any result, Sahdev n Nakul remained in background. Sahdev actually killed an important character Shakuni but not many know about it, even Dusshashan is more famous than him

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Posted: 5 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


See this is what I don't get.


If Abu Bakr al Baghdadi's mom called the cops on him, the world would be celebrating her as a hero.


After dice hall, Karna had become irredeemable. Why shouldn't she have done what she did? The criminal would face justice, and at least her semi decent children would be saved.


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I would have hero worshipped her had she killed Karna but using her motherly affection as a plan to weaken the son is treachery and that too of the highest order

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Posted: 5 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I would have hero worshipped her had she killed Karna but using her motherly affection as a plan to weaken the son is treachery and that too of the highest order


That's asking the impossible. An old lady clearly couldn't do much physical damage to a seasoned warrior. She used the weapons she had.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#49

Like karna and yudhishthira wrong doings can't be justified

Similarly kunti wronging her son can't be justified


Abu bakr Baghdadi mom didn't abandon her son

I qm sure she would try telling him many times to don't do wrong , but he didn't listen to her

In the end she called the police for the greater good of nation



Two wrongs don't make one right

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Posted: 5 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


That's asking the impossible. An old lady clearly couldn't do much physical damage to a seasoned warrior. She used the weapons she had.

Then at least she should have accepted it at the last.

There was no reason to behave like a victim at the end

Gandhari lost all her sons and still Kunti is considered more of a victim

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