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Posted: 12 years ago
#41
My dear Megha,

I agree fully with your comments on the negative conditioning given to women in a patriarchal society, especially in India. The strange thing is that the same men fervently worship the Devi as the embodiment of the Godhead, something that is exclusive to Hinduism!

I think the negative reaction to Ayesha
in parts of the forum is a mirror reflection of the automatic acceptance of and the admiration for the same attitudes, in fact far worse, in Arjun.

It amazes me when there is talk of his never having run Shree down in public; this is either a case of selective memory or of revisionist history!😉Why, Arjun was often bitingly sarcastic and very harsh in his put downs of Shree in front of the whole team - just one example of which was in the case of the dead stockbroker, when he bites Shree's head off for saying that the channel the dead man had been watching on TV was the business channel. That is why Shree always bitterly called him khaddoos.

In the same scene, he also deliberately provokes Rathod with his sarcasm and his irritating Samjhe ya samjhaaon? Rathod seemed on the point of catching his collar then, but was diverted when Shree came up with his findings. No normal boss would have tolerated this kind of behaviour from his No.2, no matter how clever he was, but Rathod is not just endlessly patient but also stands up for Arjun before the disciplinary committee.

Arjun is obviously a superlative officer, but a pattern card of behaviour he is not. He reminds me, as I have noted in past posts of mine, of Sherlock Holmes, with the same arrogance of intelligence, the same contemptuous impatience with lesser minds, the same abruptness and lack of social skills.He also has the same loner mentality, the same sharp eye for the telling detail, the same sudden brilliance in seeing connections and patterns that others cannot see, and the same insistence (shared by Agatha Christie's otherwise less well drawn Hercule Poirot) that the final theory must explain EVERY single fact without exception. But then Holmes was never part of any team, nor was he a policeman. Arjun is both, and so some fine tuning seems called for to smoothen out his rough edges.

Holmes is also conveniently a misogynist, as I suspect Arjun is as well, Roshni always excepted. But even Holmes developed a healthy respect for "The Woman', the only one who bested him at his own game - Irene Adler (from A Scandal in Bohemia). Ayesha has the potential to do an Irene Adler on Arjun one of these days, provided the CVs do not start dumbing her down, and I hope that will be the start of mutual respect between them. In fact a bit of that was already in evidence when she immediately cottons on to his coded message and drops to the floor, allowing him to shoot that DSP (Narcotics) Praveen Kamat.

In any case, in a crunch situation, Arjun would be far better off with an Ayesha at his side than anyone else.


Lastly, I do not understand why are you so worried about hurting anyone. Why should anyone be hurt by an honest exchange of views? It is a free forum, after all, and we are all very polite and well mannered, and there is nothing for anyone to object to. Then again if we were to all agree with one another, honestly or because of self censorship, that would be very dull, would it not? It would then become a cheerleaders group, and not a lively forum!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: meghasingh

@shyamla
look it's kind of really strange thing...i mean it is the truth, and obviously it's pathetic. At some point mostly mainstream societies had always been patriarchal, and women are oppressed mainly by thoughts more than force. Women had always been isolated from any kind of power or control through thoughts and that too by women. I mean in indian subcontinent, it'll be a women who'll normally teach her daughter these patriarchal ethics.
Women who wants to access power are always seen as abnormal. obviously it's stupid but it's truth and until women won't start to change their views, nothing can happen to the poor condition of women.

And I totally agree that what ayesha was doing was the most dangerous thing anyone would had ever done... for eight months she was living like this... i mean undercover...i can't even describe nor they can openly show how much torture she could have to bear...literally i've read few books on this and i've bben in shock for weeks that how much pain, torture techniques are there in the world.

Btw the sole reason(sorry don't wanna hurt anyone) she looks strange or weird is bcz she as a woman confronted our hero so well...she wasn't a woman whom arjun can control in a nanosecond.

i'm sorry if i hurt anyone but can't help it... at least i'm a girl and i know very well that i'm no less than any guy...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: DuttaSweetheart

But Sikander angle or not kuch toh spark hona chahiye na? No chance.🤔 I find Rathore's chemistry with Arjun better.He was a bit stricken to see Arjun go to pieces like that.Loved him so much for it.


Agree with you.. I feel the writer's are on a suicide mission by not concentrating on Arjun-Ayesha chemistry.. second episode hi tha phir bhi utna indifferent nahin rakhna chahiye tha unhe..! Kya karein? CVs ko kaun samjhayega..?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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hello Aunty how are you feeling nowadays? better😊

and for my part i like girls with attitude, and i liked Sheetal a lot...
and as for romance, i'm also saying let's give them some time, it's too early for chemistry😉

Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear, she is a professional, and she would definitely have told her immediate boss in the dept she works for, possibly anti-narcotics. It is they who failed to inform the ETF, which is why the Police Commissioner says that there was a lack of coordination and it was not the fault of the ETF. If it had been her fault for not keeping her bosses informed, he would have said so then.

Yes, she is very irritated with Arjun and the ETF, and unfairly so, because they acted correctly within the bounds of what they knew. It was only at the very last minute that someone tells Rathod that Nadia is an undercover cop.

But you have to see it from her point of view as well. She has been doing a very difficult and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS undercover job for as long as 8 months. It is far tougher, and needs far more of cold courage, especially for a woman, who is exposed to risks peculiar to women that I need not detail. Every moment of those 8 months, she must have lived with the (unacknowledged, even to herself) fear of exposure, which would have resulted in not just her being killed, but killed after brutal torture, meant as a warning to other moles. Do you think that would have been easy? It is far simpler to be a policeman out in the open, like all the ETF. So, when so much very hard work goes down the drain, she is naturally livid, and that exasperation makes her unfair in her reactions against Arjun.

No. she is no Riya, and she is NOT going to go weak at the knees on seeing Arjun's angular and generally khaddoos countenance. She is a loner, just as he was, and she is coming out an assignment where she probably could not trust even her own shadow. She is not going to become a compliant team member overnight, especially since she is a very tough and competent professional, and cannot be looked down upon by Arjun or anyone else for incompetence in field work, as Riya was.

She is a take charge person because that was the way she has operated so far. Do look back at how rudely and non-cooperatively Arjun used to behave in the earlier episodes. And as recently as a couple of weeks ago, Arjun was effectively sidelining Rathod completely within the ETF. He may be a decent team player now, but he was VERY far from being one for the first 10-12 episodes, and even the patient Rathod snaps at him for that in the swimming pool murder case. Even today, he is always ornery, non-communicative, and difficult. I remember his face when Shree was praising Rathod for his racing exploits and his record. It was blank and deliberately disinterested.

What is acceptable, even admirable, in him should not be unacceptable in her simply because she is of the wrong gender for most of the forum!😉 At least Ayesha responds to his instructions with a smart 'Yes, Sir!" It is more than he ever used to do, and half the time in the beginning, he never told Rathod what he had done. That could have resulted in a major goof up, though of course the CVs would not have let that happen! Ayesha, however, keeps Rathod informed of her findings,including that Deshpande has cancer.And she seems to get on very well with Chotu already, and I am sure she and Shree would also grow comfortable with each other in due course.

As for romantic leanings, I know that most in this forum revel in the slightest indication of the so-called 'chemistry', but I for one would be thankful if there is none between Arjun and Ayesha. It is most unlikely, as they are both too similar, and Arjun, who is basically an MCP (he loved Roshni very deeply, but she was not competition of any kind), would never be attracted to a competent, no nonsense, non-worshipful female. At least so I feel, and I hope I am correct.

All I want is reasonably intelligent scripts and an interesting mystery or two each week. That would be more than enough. As for those wanting 'chemistry', why, there is plenty for all tastes in the Ariya FFs, many of them very well written, that abound in this forum.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 12 years ago
#44
Dearest Rose,

Please do not get carried away by this chemistry stuff, there is a good girl! You write such wonderful FFs chockfull of chemistry, and that is where it should stay for the present.

Can we not watch a woman officer be good at her work without wanting her to fall for our titular hero? And run after him, swallowing his jibes? Conan Doyle did not make Sherlock Holmes fall in love with the only woman who bested him, Irene Adler, which is why Holmes remained Holmes.

This is a crime series, not a love story, and it will stand or fall on the stories and the strong images of the individual characters. Especially this last, which might keep it going even if the stories flag over the years and the whole series degenerates. Just look at the one such series which is now in its 15th year, and a pale version of its glory days, but still going strong, and without a single romantic angle is sight all these years.

I am a bit better today, and plan to get on to my and your Destiny.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ValleryRose



Agree with you.. I feel the writer's are on a suicide mission by not concentrating on Arjun-Ayesha chemistry.. second episode hi tha phir bhi utna indifferent nahin rakhna chahiye tha unhe..! Kya karein? CVs ko kaun samjhayega..?



Originally posted by: DuttaSweetheart


But Sikander angle or not kuch toh spark hona chahiye na? No chance.🤔 I find Rathore's chemistry with Arjun better.He was a bit stricken to see Arjun go to pieces like that.Loved him so much for it.



Originally posted by: Aliya_begh

Time lage ga mujhe lagta hai kyu ki presently arjun aur sikander ke angle pe concentrate kar rahe hai..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: meghasingh

@sasha shyam...can't agree more with you... it's just because she is a woman...i mean if rathore and arjun do have this attitude, then it's sexy but if a woman shows it then...
but honestly she's one of the very few woman characters whom i loved at first sight... i mean arjun too doesn't even respond sometimes to rathore, his chief, at least she's quiet humble to him...
and had it been a guy it would had made his character hotter, these things are being said just bcz she's a woman, and woman are supposed to behave always humble, lost, weak, in front of guys.


I agree with your points and that is the reason I love her character. She doesn't give a damn about what others think about her.. But the point is her accusing Arjun.. which seems a bit lame. I personally don't have any problems with her, but on the other side when look at the larger scenario.. I'm a bit worried about the bonding. I know this is the first episode.. and there's a long way to go.. but the work on the bonding must start.
I pointed out in my review, to make her character seem pleasant, which doesn't mean that her character must change..No way! It is very rare that we find such strong female characters.
Moreover, she respects Arjun and Rathore and follows their orders, right? That's not the point.
I somehow felt that the balance was missing, and she seemed disconnected from the team. Hmm.. I know, I should give her some time before all the judgement.. I'd definitely do that.
But, there is something I want to clarify.. I would definitely not want her change, but only her equations with different members of the team to change, and that would definitely take some time.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Mujhe wo scene bhaut acha laga,first time koi arjun ko wrong bol rahi hai🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dearest Rose,

Please do not get carried away by this chemistry stuff, there is a good girl! You write such wonderful FFs chockfull of chemistry, and that is where it should stay for the present.

Can we not watch a woman officer be good at her work without wanting her to fall for our titular hero? And run after him, swallowing his jibes? Conan Doyle did not make Sherlock Holmes fall in love with the only woman who bested him, Irene Adler, which is why Holmes remained Holmes.

This is a crime series, not a love story, and it will stand or fall on the stories and the strong images of the individual characters. Especially this last, which might keep it going even if the stories flag over the years and the whole series degenerates. Just look at the one such series which is now in its 15th year, and a pale version of its glory days, but still going strong, and without a single romantic angle is sight all these years.

I am a bit better today, and plan to get on to my and your Destiny.

Shyamala Aunty







Yayyy!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally heard from you!!!! I hope you're doing well..
I agree with you aunty, this is not a love story, it's just a small wish I'd love to see on screen.
I basically got carried away, at some point and forgot my own words, giving her character sometime; meghasingh and your posts seem to have brought me back on track!
It's just that I'm too disturbed to see judgement being passed out on whose pair she should be and so on.. Because ultimately we agree or not the makers of the show will introduce a romantic angle, right? At that time there shouldn't be any repulsion from the audience, about Arjun-Ayesha pair.. and I feel that is the reason.. the foundation must be laid right from now.. Step by step.. not at once.. I'm not asking for that!
Anyways, now I'm going to forget about all that and just enjoy Arjun!
(Also wait for your amazing review of the episodes.. 😉 )
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@aliya
mujhe bhi acha laga tha par tarash bhi bahut aya tha bechare arj par aur

meri to yahi samaj me nahi aa raha hai ki comm ke kahne ke bawjud bhi ki unke cordination me kami rah gai thi wo only arj ko hi wrong kayon bol rahi thi ab kisi ke face par to likha nahi hota ki wo ek undercover PO hai jo arj use pahchan leta,aur arj chup-chap sun raha tha why? iska matlab wo khud ko wrong man raha tha, arj only duty kar raha tha aur jab aisha ne arj ko hi wrong kaha to na hi rathod ne kuch kaha ,blame karti to puri etf ko karna chahiya tha na,pata nahi kya kar rahe ye cvs, i think arj ko waha aisha ko jawab dena chahiye tha like hum koi antaryami nahi ki tumhare face ko dekhkar hi jaan jate ki tum ek undercover cop ho , samjhi
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Tina my dear,

I am crawling back to normalcy after a horrible cold and some fever, and did not feel up to tackling any episodes as yet . But being a true blue female chauvinist😉. I thought I should defend Ayesh against these unfair accusations, which do not take into account the extremely dangerous work she had been doing. Arjun was far worse in the beginning that she is now, and I did not see why she should be pulled up just for standing up to our boy wonder!😉

I am glad you agree with me, and think that women should have an attitude, provided they have the competence to back it up, and she has it.

Take care, my dear, and have a wonderful New Year season.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: haruhi26

hello Aunty how are you feeling nowadays? better😊

and for my part i like girls with attitude, and i liked Sheetal a lot...
and as for romance, i'm also saying let's give them some time, it's too early for chemistry😉

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am feeling like screaming hard... @shyamla I'm a hardcore feminist and it hurts me deep down when ?i have to argue against women in these things... well with ayesha i'm hooked up with the show more because she's the rare woman on indian tv screen who's different...i mean there are just goddess or just bitch kinda woman...
anyway i'm really shocked on seeing the accusations against her..i know mostly persons personally and they are girls that too, youth group. even they are brainwashed to this extent...never imagined so..
and wrong accusations...anyone remember the dialogue arjun said to riya... "kar paogi" for car parking...to me it was really stupid...i mean he doubted if she could park a car..?? and rathore too is his senior, the way he sometimes talk with him is really so arrogant.

And Ayesha will be the most wonderful woman character in indian tv ever, if she remains so... why does die hard attitude suits only men? Why the hell girls are always thought to be stupid, silly, humble and full with these qualities...



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