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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#61

But Muskaan, if you noticed, she says "Yes Sir!" to Arjun too! I took particular note of it.

I do not want to repeat myself, but as I have discussed at length above, we have to see things from Ayesha's point of view as well, and to take into account what a very dangerous and lonely assignment she had been thru. She is a pucca professional, and a loner as well, and perfectly capable of coping with any situation. She will never plead "Sir, mujhe bacha lijiye!" if she was shot, and even if she was shot, it would never be because of her own folly . That really set my teeth on edge in the bank van robbery case, despite the fact that I loved Riya.

Yes, I agree that attitude and arrogance have a very thin line separating them. But Arjun has plenty of BOTH, and never hesitates to display them. He was appallingly rude all round for quite a while, and his trademark Samjhe ya samjhaaon was always arrogant and provocative, and often directed, you would remember, at his boss, Rathod. I would not have stood it, if I had been in Rathod's place.

These days, his SYS, long past its expiry date, sounds very childish and puerile, but Arjun will not outgrow it. What it means is that he thinks only he knows what is what. and the rest are all fools. Why is that an acceptable attitude? Because he is the 'hero'?

This said, I find Ayesha a pleasant change from the token women officers who populate crime serials, who do nothing but stand around or carry messages. She is not a novice in field work like Riya was, but a seasoned pro, and she is used to working on her own. She is quick with pertinent questions, and she takes Chotu along for an independent investigation about Deshpande. And she briefs Rathod properly about her findings.

I feel sure that unless the CVs try to dumb her down to make sure Arjun is not outshone, she will be very interesting to watch. When she gave Arjun a final push against the bus after that bout of hand to hand fighting - and we have to remember that Arjun is a seasoned fighter and he is in top physical shape - I said aloud "Atta, girl! Good for you!!"

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: MastiMuskaan
i agree..attitude and arrogance have a very thin line separating them...i like her but not the way she treats arjun or any other etf member...as for rathore, she is like, "sir! yes sir! yes sir!!" for his commands and for bechara shree..i didnt even like her ordering chotu around...i didnt like her taunting arjun too...

it will take more time for her to enter our hearts...but she has strongly given a hard knock by her entry, i must say i was highly impressed...BUT if she keeps on giving her no care attitude..it will take forever for her to make place in our hearts...

right now all i can say is... she is good but if she continues her attitude (arrogance and ignorance) towards arjun and etf...she will soon be shifted into sides...

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salta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#62

@Dutta sweetheart... dear it's not about "Naari shakti" or something... you can't deny that sometimes arjun insults or at least taunts. Examples:
1. When he asked riya if he could park a car then what does that meant...?? and to add up his "i'm amazing" smirk?
2. In share broker case he taunted shree that what he's supposed to see other than business channel... that wasn't needed at all.
3. Newbie...at least in ETF, he is not the chief...so sometimes how can he start giving orders jlt without rathore.
4. Do you understand what could that secret mission meant to her... just imagine if she couldn't escape from the drug dealers and they would have known that she's a cop... what she would have suffered through... i really don't have so much guts to explain.
5. Arjun...is he really so well mannered... when riya saved him in naxalwad episode it was really strange as it was riya who found out most of the info and he scolded her for coming.

And there are long long evidence for his arrogance... but Ayesha's was pointed out just bcz she's a girl..and obviously on indian tv you don't get to see such woman ever.

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-Carrie-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#63

@meghasingh

Its not about "Naari Shakti"???? Strange, coz that's what two pages of these posts were filled with.About "women power" & how other women not appreciating it.

Could you post links to posts where you have raised the issue of Arjun's bad behaviour since you seem to have been here long long before Ayesha arrived on the scene & have an axe grind with him given that long list you just presented.That's becoz I joined in only after Riya died & I didnt notice anything amiss in his treatment of his colleagues.Else I would have screamed bloody murder if he had.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#64

@red. I have gone into this at length in my response to your post. and so I will not repeat myself, but I feel that the first sentence is not justified, for the reasons that I have tried to set out there and which you must have seen, but you obviously do not give them any weight.

The second is absolutely correct, but one has also to take into account what Ayesha has been thru in the last 8 months to understand the depth of her acute disappointment and frustration. You must have read those parts of my post, and am I am sure you will agree that nothing I have pointed out there can be dismissed as irrelevant or exaggerated.

@ blue. I understand completely where you are coming from. and I admire you for your unwavering integrity. While I would not presume to sympathise with what you are going thru, what I would like to do is to bash up a few of the creeps you have to cope with daily.

Coming to Arjun and the rest, if you feel that Arjun takes the 'yelling' from Rathod like a "a loving but spoilt younger brother", and that his chewing Shree out., eg in the dead stockbroker case, is "endearingly paternal" I have nothing more to say, for it would obviously be pointless. Except that if he had yelled back at Rathod, he would probably have been out of the ETF. In the beginning, Rathod says he will resign if Arjun is brought in, and the Police Commissioner has to persuade him to stay.

Come to think of it, I really cannot remember when last he 'yelled' at Arjun. For 2-3 weeks, Arjun was carrying on as if he was the ETF chief and sidelining Rathore completely, and Rathod took even that. I cannot imagine how or why. Try that sort of thing in any police outfit anywhere in the world. and there will be only one result.

All this said. Arjun is a superb detective, and if he is khaddoos, so, in a different way, was Holmes. Of course I would prefer Holmes any day, but that is no slight to Arjun.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: DuttaSweetheart
@meghasingh & @sashashyam

Its amazing how a few goof ups in the episode pointed out by me has been turned into an assualt on Naari Shakti.If you will read my post again carefully & watch the first scene of the episode nowhere have I mentioned anything about Aisha's attitude or confidence as a police officer.I specifically mentioned the two instances in which her behaviour irked me.That too because she was equally to be blamed for her undercover operation going down the toilet. My issue was her singling out Arjun as solely responsible for that happening. Not that she had the guts to taunt THE DEMI-GOD ARJUN. I would the first to applaud if she had pulled up Arjun for some real wrong by him. There is thin line between being assertive & belittling someone.With a few exagerrated expressions I felt she was doing just that.

I am a chartered accountant by profession & by God I know what its to be a woman battling perverts & vindictive men day in day out. I am forever being pressurised to cook up account books to please clients for their business & my professional life is a living hell because I refuse to cower easily.Its my misfortune that I am bonded for three years & I'll be living through this muck for some time to come.I'd be the last person to want women to "weak","humble"etc etc everything that u mentioned in your posts.Shocking.Really to think you assume that I couldn't bear to see another woman in an authoritative position based on a few comments on an episode as an audience.What exactly did u find so pathetic in that?

And that is the reason I hero worship Arjun.I am emotionally tired & in my heart of hearts I want him to come crashing through the door & set those potbellied baboons right.I worship him because most men I see in my life are lowlifes.He is hope & he is panacea for all the wrong being meted out to me scores of others like me.I want to see a real Arjun.Of course it helps he has a angelic face & hot body but I that's not all I see in him.But you know I wouldn't mind an Ayesha also to come blazing through that door.

As for Shree may be I am not the one suffering from "selective" amnesia? Coz I can't remember Shree ever complaining about Arjun treating him as an invisible entity. All I remember is a few miffed grunts at being scolded by Arjun.A scolding I might add that was endearingly paternal.I'd rather be scolded by my superior than be treated as a persona non grata.

Its always Rathore who yells at Arjun not the other way around.And I absolutely don't see any belittling or insulting in the tone Rathore uses that I noticed in Ayesha's yesterday.As for Arjun the one thing that totally floored me is the way Arjun takes in the yelling like a loving but spoilt younger brother.May be I suffer from selective memory but i have never seen Arjun yelling back at Rathore.

Chemistry: My words were ,"Mujhe koi chemistry nazr nahin aati" translated in english means "I do not see any chemistry" the key word here being "I do not see". I never said "There is no chemistry". You are bang on when you say chemistry will take a few interactions to show.She can't be fawning all over the "angular" Arjun in her very first meeting.My point exactly.In response to those who were in turn fawning over their very brief first confrontation.

Thanks for taking the time to comment on my post.

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Moner_Radio

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Posted: 13 years ago

#65

duttasweetheart :

since you claim to have joined the show post riya's death only, i suggest you to go through the initial 10-15 episodes to understand our POVs as well. coz what megha and shyamala aunty ( and too an extent I ) have been saying comes from there. unless you watch those episodes, you wont be able to get it through. if arjun's scoldings to shree look " paternal " then it is NOW, not in the initial days when he used to wear a " i-care-a-damn" attitude towards all and used to go off investigating and proving his theories right of his own even if it meant endangering his life and leaving the entire team worried for his well being. ( remember the Jodhan Solanki case ? ) and when rathore blasted him for it saying that being a chief, arjun is his responsibility too, he immediately snaps him back saying " toh aap meri zimmedari mat lijiye SIR ". and you cant term that as " cool " or " attitude " .. that's plain arrogance and recklessness, nothing else.

and for aayesha blasting off arjun , i'll repeat the same as i told to ValleryRose. imagine that you are working on a project for 8 months..you put your heart and soul into it to make it perfect. and then one day, someone else barges in ..rendering all your hard work useless in moments. how would you feel then ? frustated ? irritated ? wanting to blast off the other person's head off ? exactly. i wouldnt have taken someone else trampling over my hard work lying down and aayesha too,did the same. hope i had made myself clear.

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SStephy

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Posted: 13 years ago

#66

Well, I guess the taunts were because Aisha was frustrated that her undercover operation was almost about to fail... and that was a very serious matter since she had been working on it for months. While I agree, Arjun was not at fault there, I don't exactly blame Aisha

either.

Arjun isn't exactly any less when it comes to taunting his team mates... he has done it to everyone... be it Riya, Shree, Chottu or even his chief, Rathore... esp directing his signature dialogue 'samjhe ya samjhaoon' in a slight arrogant way to Rathore, etc. So it seems Aisha is no different to Arjun in this matter. Plus, in Sunday's epi while working on the case, Aisha didn't exactly continue with her taunts instead she even followed Arjun's orders properly.

And reg ingnoring Shree... I don't think she did it on purpose or to belittle Shree but I think it is because she is new in the team and hasn't quite gelled with everyone and it seemed she unknowingly ignored Shree. This is just a guess since it happened only once. But if they show Aisha constantly ignoring Shree in the future then I might have to think that she probably doesn't find Shree very reliable (in which case, the creatives can show how Aisha and Shree bridge the gap between them).

Reg the chemistry between Arjun and Aisha... even I didn't see much chemistry between them. But then again, it seems like the creatives haven't exactly started to build any chemistry or a romantic angle yet.

Edited by S.Stephy - 13 years ago

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Posted: 13 years ago

#67

I am now really confused here. I thought the issue was that through my post I conveyed that I found the new entry full of attitude & authoritative demeanour which I seem to have a problem with & which I think women ought not to have.To which I explained that it was the wrongful blame she put on Arjun solely that I had a problem with.That she should collectively blamed ETF & her department & majorly herself for the goof up.I understand she was under tremendous stress but she had three days to clear the boy's issue.Its not mark of a seasoned officer to play the blame game. Now the matter has turned into Arjun's past tauntings vs Aysha's current taunting😕 Long posts about Arjun's past misdemeanours etc etc.That he is no "doodh ka dhula".but we are not discussing Aysha vs Arjun are we?We are talking of "The Video Piracy" case, are we not? So is it not correct to raise issues that jarred us in that particular episode? Aysha's conduct in a particular scene in that episode is under scrutiny.I repeat Aysha as a police officer and a person is NOT under discussion.Shree was ignored in that episode so its under discussion.That this will continue in the future is not unknown & wasn't commented on.Who knows!He might share a stronger bond with Aysha than he shared with Riya.Why has this thread turned into a war between Arjun & Aysha? And if Arjun was such a flawed character he's made out to be in the past few posts how exactly did he manage to win so many hearts here?

Hope I have made myself clear this time.Further than that I rest my case.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#68

@red. I regret being forced to repeat (for the last time!) that I do NOT see how and why Ayesha was to blame for the lack of communication between her dept and the ETF, as a result of which, not only was her project torpedoed. but she could have ended up getting shot and killed in that melee at the bus depot. It was the fault of her bosses, which is exactly what the Police Commissioner said, and is thus a matter of fact, not theory.

It is not her job to go telling the ETF that she is an undercover cop, and if she had done so, THEN she would have been acting in an irresponsible manner, and unprofessional too. This is something that has to be understood and acknowledged. I have never denied that she was unfair in blaming Arjun for the fiasco, only that one had to see it from her point of view as well.

I would second the suggestion that you watch the episodes right from the beginning online.Most of them are very good, plus you will be able to see the characters and their internal equations develop. Polly is quite right; Arjun was always exceptionally good professionally, but pretty much obnoxious for the first 10 or 12 episodes.

One can admire him as a superb detective,and as a person of unshakeable integrity and tremendous courage, without necessarily liking him as a person. Especially when one has no emotional connect with him, and is not a committed 'fan'. I see him the way I see Holmes, as a upholder of the right against the wrong. But Holmes was often a pain in the neck,, and so was Arjun till pretty recently. A flawed character can be even more interesting than a paragon, and in fact is almost always so, but that does not make one forget his flaws.

As for the 'Ayesha vs Arjun' angle, that is probably because of the feeling that when he has been getting away with a great deal more of overt rudeness to his teammates, and even his boss, in the past, why should she be hauled over the coals for a burst of (admittedly unwarranted) frustration?

I was in fact quite pleased to see him getting a taste of his own medicine for a change. It should also be noted that once she became an ETF member. Ayesha has been 'Yes Sir"ring him with complete punctiliousness - after seeing a comment somewhere that she did that only with Rathod, I went back and rewatched the Sunday episode, and she did that three times with Arjun.

Arjun is improving now, but a bit more of nuanced facial expressions would help. That rigid, blank staring into the wild blue yonder does get a bit tiring at times, as does that regulation slow mo walk, thru whichever empty space is available, at the end of every other episode. Plus I would not mind occasionally seeing that surprisingly sweet smile he has in his scenes with Roshni. I am convinced that Shaleen as an actor has far more of a range than the CVs allow Arjun the character, which is a pity.

Finally, committed fans of Arjun do not have to worry at all; the CVs will never let him be outshone, least of all by a female. Why, they ration out even moderately bright thoughts for Rathod; never more than one every 2 or 3 episodes!😉

My only concern is that Ayesha - already a drastic change from the 'normal' crime serial (token) female officers - should not be dumbed down in order to make sure that Arjun dominates totally. That would be an even greater pity! The two of them should be allowed to complement and supplement each other, and be shown developing a solid respect for each other's professional capabilities. As I do not look for romance in a crime serial, that will do for me!

Well, that is finis from me as well, and all that remains is for me to wish you a happy, healthy and relatively peaceful New Year 2013. As I have noted in the past, I have invariably enjoyed my exchanges with you, and this one was no exception!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: DuttaSweetheart
I am now really confused here. I thought the issue was that through my post I conveyed that I found the new entry full of attitude & authoritative demeanour which I seem to have a problem with & which I think women ought not to have.To which I explained that it was the wrongful blame she put on Arjun solely that I had a problem with.That she should collectively blamed ETF & her department & majorly herself for the goof up.I understand she was under tremendous stress but she had three days to clear the boy's issue.Its not mark of a seasoned officer to play the blame game. Now the matter has turned into Arjun's past tauntings vs Aysha's current taunting😕 Long posts about Arjun's past misdemeanours etc etc.That he is no "doodh ka dhula".but we are not discussing Aysha vs Arjun are we?We are talking of "The Video Piracy" case, are we not? So is it not correct to raise issues that jarred us in that particular episode? Aysha's conduct in a particular scene in that episode is under scrutiny.I repeat Aysha as a police officer and a person is NOT under discussion.Shree was ignored in that episode so its under discussion.That this will continue in the future is not unknown & wasn't commented on.Who knows!He might share a stronger bond with Aysha than he shared with Riya.Why has this thread turned into a war between Arjun & Aysha? And if Arjun was such a flawed character he's made out to be in the past few posts how exactly did he manage to win so many hearts here?

Hope I have made myself clear this time.Further than that I rest my case.

Edited by sashashyam - 13 years ago