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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: haruhi26


yep you'd be surprised, i mean we do have lots of crime here, but the level of security for our PM is very much less compared to India, and the fact about they also like normal people go to clinics
and since i dont know about india, except in movies, serials...
most of the story though based in India, have been constructed on the knowledge of how things go about in my country
hence maybe they'd be many loopholes
i'm really sorry for it shuchi😳


dear.. Now i'm embarrased.. For raising these doubts witout proper knowledge..!! So, please don't be sorry coz when I inspite of living here don't know these affairs.. So its alright!! Actually I should be sorry!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
VERY IMPORTANT NOTE

well as many already know i'm not from India, but a very small country of population about 1.5million,last time evaluated, and well i also have never been to india
Know only that much of india from serials and movies😆
And in my country, till now no PM or even ministers have ever been attacked, not even on the road, nor their own house, so the level of security is very less and mainly CCTV are used, but we do have bodyguards for the PM and the ministers
we have never have a bomb explosion here
well as for terrorists it's almost nil, except if we considers drugs which do exist here and other crimes too...
N as for the hospital thing, well in case of emergencies the nearest place is considered, and otherwise, they always opt for the best clinic and sometimes depending on the gravity of the situation even go to the hospital for some extreme cases.
so for this case i have used the knowledge about how things go on in my country, but tried to implement it as if it was India, due to the ETF staying there.
So very sorry if i miss or wrongly state a few things
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Posted: 12 years ago
Hey ...
Love riya ... N omg Arjun even complimented her ... :)
The case is super interesting ... :)
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: SanchayitaM



dear.. Now i'm embarrased.. For raising these doubts witout proper knowledge..!! So, please don't be sorry coz when I inspite of living here don't know these affairs.. So its alright!! Actually I should be sorry!!


nope its ok,in fact you raised this issue, and later maybe many would ask the same things, and frankly i dont know much about India...
So maybe really the story have lots of loopholes dear😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
pm was stabbed...nice twist...case is getting very interesting...

loved it:)

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Posted: 12 years ago
expected ka unexpected😛
awesome it was...
PM stabbed himself😲😲
mr karti had a different and interesting past...
intelligent riya..👏finally arjun praised her!!
rathore and arjun were too clever..koi phasa hai😆
Update soon!
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Posted: 12 years ago
Well, Tina (and Sanchayita too),

I am duly flattered at being treated as a court of last resort, and of course I will help as much as I can. But first, Sanchayita, have you finished with your exams, or are you taking a well-deserved break from your studies (that sounds better than Are you goofing off? , doesn't it?) ?

Now for the matter at hand. As I had told Tani earlier, the PM's residence is very tightly guarded, just like the White House in Washington DC. There is no point comparing the level of security required with that in, say, New Zealand or Iceland; it is all a matter of threat perceptions.

The US Secret Service will not let any unauthorised person get anywhere near the US President, wherever he might be, and they are quite ruthless about it. I was in charge of the press during President Jimmy Carter's visit to India in 1978, and it was something to see. But even they could not prevent a young man, John Hinckley, from shooting and nearly killing President Reagan in March 1981 in downtown Washington DC.

In India, the security of the PM and his family is the sole responsibility of the SPG (the Special Protection Group). which has been modelled after the US Secret Service. I am adding some info about the SPG at the end of this message. The SPG will not allow any other police officers into their area of operations, and their responsibility for the PM's safety is total, and so their control has also to be total.

When Mrs, Indira Gandhi was assassinated in 1984, it was by an insider, one of the security guards. The SPG did not exist then, it was formed and inducted only in 1985.. When Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by in 1991 by a LTTE human bomb, it was precisely because he had refused SPG protection (he was not the PM then).

So, I am not saying that the ETF could not have been called in when the PM's wife was found dead. The SPG handles both intelligence and operations, but not regular police investigations of a crime,even if it occurs in the PM's residence. So that is all right.

It is of course easier, even today, for the PM's Chief Security Officer to attack him at close quarters than for an outsider, who would find getting access to the private quarters impossible.

As for Arjun and Rathore slapping the supposed culprit around, it is a reaction of sheer frustration, and it is not really any third degree. It is also useless. No man who is clever enough - assuming that he was a sleeper agent who had been building up this level of trust for several years - would break down and confess just because he was slapped a few times. Such culprits would normally be taken over by the intelligence agencies for sophisticated interrogation, using psychological techniques.

There is always not just a doctor but also a fully equipped ambulance on call at the PM's residence. Once he was discovered by the ETF (which itself is odd, for the SPG would have a man posted outside the PM's study) with multiple stab wounds, the doctor on duty and the SPG would have taken over and they would have put him in the ambulance, done the pereliminary treatment in the ambulance, and rushed him to the nearest good hospital. The hospital would have been alerted to make the necessary emergency arrangements, including the OT

There would be NO question of the ETF taking him anywhere, or of Shree providing first aid either,


The Indian Army has nothing to do with any of this, unless a Military hospital happens to be the nearest one.

Lastly, no one can be made the PM's CSO without being from the SPG, and also passing the most thorough background checks, So someone like this Mr. Karti, who has no clear past, would never have risen to this position. In fact, he would not have been recruited to the SPG either, as all its members are selected only from the state and central police forces after careful vetting. So you see, Tina, this is a non-starter.

But please don't fret. Tina. None of this matters to your story, which is meant to entertain, and you can, if you like, go easy on the details. However, the next time, I would recommend some background research, which is not difficult to do, and getting your facts right will add to the appeal of your already very appealing stories. Suppose you wrote something about the US President. You would be expected to know the basics about the White House, the SS and the Oval Office, would you not? It will be fun to dig out all this stuff before you start your story, believe me!

Shyamala Aunty

NOTE ON THE SPECIAL PROTECTION GROUP

The Special Protection Group (SPG) is the executive protection agency of the Government of India. It is responsible for the protection of the Prime Minister of India, some other top officials, and their immediate families. The force was established in 1985 after the assassination of Indira Gandhi. It is one of the eight Central Armed Police Forces. The bulk of the personnel were initially drawn from Indian Border Security Force.

The work of the Special Protection Group became more organised after the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi on May 21, 1991, (who was, at that time, not under SPG cover since his term as Prime Minister had ended). After the Rajiv Gandhi assassination, there have been no successful attempts to attack the Prime Minister or the Prime Minister's family members.

The Special Protection Group has about 3,000 personnel. Recruits are drawn from the various Indian police forces, who undergo training similar to that conducted by the United States Secret Service. The officer cadre is made up of officers drawn from the various state and central cadres.

The Special Protection Group provides proximate security to protectees, including protection provided from close quarters, journey on foot, road, rail, aircraft, watercraft or any other means of transport, and includes places of functions, engagements, residence, etc. They comprise ring round teams, isolation cordons, the sterile zone, and the rostrum and access control to the person or members of his immediate family.

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Originally posted by: SanchayitaM

cbi.. May be.. Who do the investigation... Yeah! I too was thinking of Aunty.. !! She will help us for sure. Great country of yours.. N mine too..!!😊



Originally posted by: haruhi26


well in my country, a criminal is a criminaland if ETF was doing the investigation, then they'd have the right to the interrogation and if the culprit had been caught red-handed, then even the beatingsbut i guess in India, it's the military who would have handled this case nah?!N well in my country the hospitals and clinics are very good enough, actually be it the PM or President everyone go there, of course they'd have to increase the security a bit...
the only person who can help us is Shyamala Aunty😆lets wait for her comment
she'd tell us how in real life things like this are handled







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Posted: 12 years ago
thanks Shyamala Aunty for the clarifications😳
and yep totally agree, i should have done more research on India and the PM and other things associated with him, totally my mistake😳
and well it's just a story, for entertainment, so everyone please be a bit lenient on me😳
n for the President of US, it would have been easier because i have read lots on the oval office, did you know that the main furniture, office table known as the resolute desk, in the oval office has its twin found in UK😃
N for the security also, i have read and watched lots of movies specially ones like 24 heures Chrono, was very explicit on the PM and its safety...
and as for how come the PM could get stabbed, well its not unusual or difficult for the PM or chief security officer to order the officers present for some time in private, hence i was going to use that...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, Tina (and Sanchayita too),

I am duly flattered at being treated as a court of last resort, and of course I will help as much as I can. But first, Sanchayita, have you finished with your exams, or are you taking a well-deserved break from your studies (that sounds better than Are you goofing off? , doesn't it?) ?

Now for the matter at hand. As I had told Tani earlier, the PM's residence is very tightly guarded, just like the White House in Washington DC. There is no point comparing the level of security required with that in, say, New Zealand or Iceland; it is all a matter of threat perceptions.

The US Secret Service will not let any unauthorised person get anywhere near the US President, wherever he might be, and they are quite ruthless about it. I was in charge of the press during President Jimmy Carter's visit to India in 1978, and it was something to see. But even they could not prevent a young man, John Hinckley, from shooting and nearly killing President Reagan in March 1981 in downtown Washington DC.

In India, the security of the PM and his family is the sole responsibility of the SPG (the Special Protection Group). which has been modelled after the US Secret Service. I am adding some info about the SPG at the end of this message. The SPG will not allow any other police officers into their area of operations, and their responsibility for the PM's safety is total, and so their control has also to be total.

When Mrs, Indira Gandhi was assassinated in 1984, it was by an insider, one of the security guards. The SPG did not exist then, it was formed and inducted only in 1985.. When Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by in 1991 by a LTTE human bomb, it was precisely because he had refused SPG protection (he was not the PM then).

So, I am not saying that the ETF could not have been called in when the PM's wife was found dead. The SPG handles both intelligence and operations, but not regular police investigations of a crime,even if it occurs in the PM's residence. So that is all right.

It is of course easier, even today, for the PM's Chief Security Officer to attack him at close quarters than for an outsider, who would find getting access to the private quarters impossible.

As for Arjun and Rathore slapping the supposed culprit around, it is a reaction of sheer frustration, and it is not really any third degree. It is also useless. No man who is clever enough - assuming that he was a sleeper agent who had been building up this level of trust for several years - would break down and confess just because he was slapped a few times. Such culprits would normally be taken over by the intelligence agencies for sophisticated interrogation, using psychological techniques.

There is always not just a doctor but also a fully equipped ambulance on call at the PM's residence. Once he was discovered by the ETF (which itself is odd, for the SPG would have a man posted outside the PM's study) with multiple stab wounds, the doctor on duty and the SPG would have taken over and they would have put him in the ambulance, done the pereliminary treatment in the ambulance, and rushed him to the nearest good hospital. The hospital would have been alerted to make the necessary emergency arrangements, including the OT

There would be NO question of the ETF taking him anywhere, or of Shree providing first aid either,


The Indian Army has nothing to do with any of this, unless a Military hospital happens to be the nearest one.

Lastly, no one can be made the PM's CSO without being from the SPG, and also passing the most thorough background checks, So someone like this Mr. Karti, who has no clear past, would never have risen to this position. In fact, he would not have been recruited to the SPG either, as all its members are selected only from the state and central police forces after careful vetting. So you see, Tina, this is a non-starter.

But please don't fret. Tina. None of this matters to your story, which is meant to entertain, and you can, if you like, go easy on the details. However, the next time, I would recommend some background research, which is not difficult to do, and getting your facts right will add to the appeal of your already very appealing stories. Suppose you wrote something about the US President. You would be expected to know the basics about the White House, the SS and the Oval Office, would you not? It will be fun to dig out all this stuff before you start your story, believe me!

Shyamala Aunty

NOTE ON THE SPECIAL PROTECTION GROUP

The Special Protection Group (SPG) is the executive protection agency of the Government of India. It is responsible for the protection of the Prime Minister of India, some other top officials, and their immediate families. The force was established in 1985 after the assassination of Indira Gandhi. It is one of the eight Central Armed Police Forces. The bulk of the personnel were initially drawn from Indian Border Security Force.

The work of the Special Protection Group became more organised after the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi on May 21, 1991, (who was, at that time, not under SPG cover since his term as Prime Minister had ended). After the Rajiv Gandhi assassination, there have been no successful attempts to attack the Prime Minister or the Prime Minister's family members.

The Special Protection Group has about 3,000 personnel. Recruits are drawn from the various Indian police forces, who undergo training similar to that conducted by the United States Secret Service. The officer cadre is made up of officers drawn from the various state and central cadres.

The Special Protection Group provides proximate security to protectees, including protection provided from close quarters, journey on foot, road, rail, aircraft, watercraft or any other means of transport, and includes places of functions, engagements, residence, etc. They comprise ring round teams, isolation cordons, the sterile zone, and the rostrum and access control to the person or members of his immediate family.

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Posted: 12 years ago
My dear Tina,

That is what I said, that you should not bother too much about this time. It is just for fun, and I for one find it very entertaining. Don't take it to heart at all.

There is no problem with having the CSO attack the PM, for he would direct access to his private rooms, and there must be many times when he is alone with the PM.

In fact, I had noted this is my earlier message, saying "It is of course easier, even today, for the PM's Chief Security Officer to attack him at close quarters than for an outsider, who would find getting access to the private quarters impossible".
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Shyamala Aunty

thanks Shyamala Aunty for the clarifications😳
and yep totally agree, i should have done more research on India and the PM and other things associated with him, totally my mistake😳
and well it's just a story, for entertainment, so everyone please be a bit lenient on me😳
n for the President of US, it would have been easier because i have read lots on the oval office, did you know that the main furniture, office table known as the resolute desk, in the oval office has its twin found in UK😃
N for the security also, i have read and watched lots of movies specially ones like 24 heures Chrono, was very explicit on the PM and its safety...
and as for how come the PM could get stabbed, well its not unusual or difficult for the PM or chief security officer to order the officers present for some time in private, hence i was going to use that...

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Posted: 12 years ago
What i really feel like cry ...ek to meine bahot kuch miss kar diya and ab itsgking to end...nooo...

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